The Deathly Hallows Movie Split

[AccioLumos]

petunia's feelings shaped a lot of how a young lily felt about snape, the school and magic in it's entirety. it would also further explain the very root of why harry was treated so bad as a child.

[MasterOfDeath]

Originally Posted by AccioLumos

petunia's feelings shaped a lot of how a young lily felt about snape, the school and magic in it's entirety. it would also further explain the very root of why harry was treated so bad as a child.

Yeah, and I know some people like Futterman don't see the movies as a series, but I think it's important to link the first and last film where we actually see why Petunia was so upset about Lily in the first movie.

I know most people won't remember, but if a series was built solely on what people remember from other films, you're basically saying the concept of a series doesn't even work anymore. It's a good thing we have video now..

[deansboy]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

There's more to a film than the bare bones plot, imo. Characters like Petunia are not IMPORTANT to tell the story and in a spark notes version, she could easily be removed, but if you want the story have some depth and rich narrative, side characters like Petunia add something to the proceedings.

Ear! Ear! No no frills approach to one of the most important chapters in the entire series. Snape's character has been watered down ever since Gof, it's only been two films but the difference between him in PoA and OoTP is quite obvious. The time to give the man his spotlight is with HBP and The Prince's Tale.

[ArryGrotter]

Well, the latest pictures - http://www.cosforums.com/showthread....98#post5285298 - are good proof that the spilt will be at least after Goblin's Revenge...

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by AccioLumos

i personally disagree with much of the timeline you have.

for example i feel certain that harry's final confrontation with voldemort which is the climax of the books, not to mention 10 years of filming, would not be 7 minutes shorter than the princes tale.

also godrics hollow must include their arrival, finding the graveyard, finding his parents graves, short sad moment, noticing something in the trees, finding the house, being found by nagini, fighting nagini, escaping the house, apparating away.

i wont go into extreme further detail though as you are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine.

Well, it was only a few pages in the book and I doubt it'll be more than 5 minutes on screen. I did a read through of the dialogue and that's only IF they include ALL of it, which I am doubtful of based on the history of the HP films (split or not). TPT on the other hand was the longest chapter in the entire series and to show it in it's entirety would probably take nearly a half hour. But I'm guessing they will have to cut this down considerably or you risk disrupting the action for too long. I predict TPT will at least be cut down by half...probably 10-15 min.

You also have to remember that in the case of Deathly Hallows the "climax" is not really just that one scene, it's more like the entire "Flaw in the Plan" Chapter. Hell, some might even say the whole Battle of Hogwarts is the climax...in which case Part 2 (with a split at Shell Cottage) would be like 1 non-stop climax which is pretty damn sweet if you ask me

Regarding the Godric's Hollow sequence I originally had 15 minutes on my outline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVJmwYKy7eM) but for the one I worked on with meesha we cut that down to 10 minutes (including the flashback) as I realized was mine was a bit too long

[AccioHP]

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

I'd like to have her in, not only for continuity but because showing Snape and Lily's first meeting is essential to setting up the basis for their relationship later on and it's also good to have another person in the scene. Petunia plays the 'lovers family in denial' role essential to every tragic romantic storyline. Petunia tells Lily not to trust or listen to the awful boy but she does anyway.


Unless you'd want them to have a quick montage of scenes with no dialog of Snape kissing Lily or something, I don't see how else you'd show their relationship develop.

There's more to a film than the bare bones plot, imo. Characters like Petunia are not IMPORTANT to tell the story and in a spark notes version, she could easily be removed, but if you want the story to have some depth and a rich narrative, side characters like Petunia add something to the proceedings.

Yeah, I agree. Those side characters add to the plot of the story. And those details are important to the overall plot of the main charaters.

[mrfutterman]

Originally Posted by AccioHP

Yeah, I agree. Those side characters add to the plot of the story. And those details are important to the overall plot of the main charaters.

What is the "plot of the story"? What is the "overall plot" and who are the main characters?

[MasterOfDeath]

Originally Posted by mrfutterman

What is the "plot of the story"? What is the "overall plot" and who are the main characters?

Overall plot of the story? Harry verses Voldemort. There are many many other minor plots in the story that give it so much more depth though.

The main characters are Harry, Ron and Hermione, but there are so many supporting characters, side characters etc as well that help flesh out the world and the story.

I'm not sure what your point is.

[AccioHP]

Originally Posted by mrfutterman

What is the "plot of the story"? What is the "overall plot" and who are the main characters?

In this case Snape's love for Lily. Petunia is the side character that cotributes to that plot when Snape and Lily first meet. And as for the "main characters" I don't mean the trio but Snape is more of a main character than Petunia in this case.

Also for continuity's sake. They have Petunia in SS calling her sister a 'freak' and basically how she despises her sister. In DH the audience will be able to learn the back story to that if Petunia is in the movie.

[mexicant]

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[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by AccioLumos

i personally disagree with much of the timeline you have.

for example i feel certain that harry's final confrontation with voldemort which is the climax of the books, not to mention 10 years of filming, would not be 7 minutes shorter than the princes tale.

also godrics hollow must include their arrival, finding the graveyard, finding his parents graves, short sad moment, noticing something in the trees, finding the house, being found by nagini, fighting nagini, escaping the house, apparating away.

i wont go into extreme further detail though as you are entitled to your opinion and i am entitled to mine.

Well, as others have pointed out, the final confrontation between Harry and Voldemort is a brief scene in the book. You've got Harry doing his monologue - which will most likely be shortened - and then the two of them each saying one spell at the same time. And that's it - confrontation over. I think we were a bit generous in estimating three minutes for that, but we can't be sure how much of Harry's dialog will be kept that this point. The Prince's Tale will almost certainly be shortened as well, but there's a lot more information that needs to be conveyed there so it will be a longer scene than the confrontation regardless.

As for Godric's Hollow, even if you break that down into the individual events that take place there, it's not going to be much more than 7 minutes - if that. Remember, they're aiming to have these films be around 2 1/2 hours each - they are not going to have a single scene take up 1/5 of the time they have allotted for one of them. There are too many other scenes that are important and will need time for them to do that. But lets look at how you've broken it down.

The arrival will probably be less than a minute - they appear and take off the cloak. That takes very little time. Same for finding the graveyard - it is unlikely that they would show them searching through the town. It's more likely that they'll cut from them arriving and setting off to them approaching the graveyars. So that will probably be less than a minute as well. Same for finding his parents graves - they'll most likely show them walking around some, but they probably aren't going to drag that out because most people would find the two of them doing nothing but walking around the cemetery boring. Harry will have his short, sad moment to think about what he's lost, but again, that shouldn't take very long. Maybe a couple of minutes there, but most likely one. They may or may not keep them noticing something in the trees, but even if they keep it, that would only take seconds. Finding the house is the same as finding the graveyard - they'll most likely cut from them walking out of the graveyard to walking towards the house and spotting it so that will be less than a minute as well. They'll have some dialog with Harry talking to "Bathilda" and then Nagini appears - probably about one minute for that, maybe less. The fight with Nagini and Voldemort's appearance is brief - even in the book. That would most likely be 2 or 3 minutes.

All together, it is roughly about 7 minutes by my estimation. It's possible they could stretch that to 10, but more likely that they will aim for something closer to five. I don't see them wasting time with showing the less interesting elements with Harry and Hermione wandering around trying to find things. It's not necessary for them to do so because cutting away to the next element will show that some time has passed without the audience having to sit and wait for something to happen while they just walk around.

If you consider the flashback to the night the Potters were killed as part of the Godric's Hollow scene, then the entire sequence will probably come out around 10 minutes. I have that separated on my time line because I see that as more of a transitional sequence between Godric's Hollow and Harry waking up to discover his wand has been broken. But I think the flashback will probably be around 3 minutes.

Originally Posted by MasterOfDeath

Yeah, and I know some people like Futterman don't see the movies as a series, but I think it's important to link the first and last film where we actually see why Petunia was so upset about Lily in the first movie.

I know most people won't remember, but if a series was built solely on what people remember from other films, you're basically saying the concept of a series doesn't even work anymore. It's a good thing we have video now..

Absolutely. It is important to remember that all of these movies together are telling a single story and are connected. Petunia plays a role in that story as the key to the protection that Dumbledore devised for Harry as well as being the person who raised Harry and helped shape him into the person he grew up to be. Her negative feelings about Lily and the fact that Snape caused her to be afraid of magic in general are important to that because that was why she couldn't love Harry or show him any affection - as well as why she allowed Vernon and Dudley to treat him the way they did.

Those events were important in the development of Harry's character - the abuse and neglect he suffered at the hands of the Dursleys was part of what shaped him into the person he was. They've already laid the foundation for that with Petunia's rant in the first movie and showing how they treated Harry in the first, second, third, and fifth movies. The last movie should follow through to explain why Petunia felt that way. And Petunia's involvement in The Prince's Tale also gives some insight towards Snape character by showing the disdain he feels towards muggles in general.

[AccioLumos]

Originally Posted by ArryGrotter

Well, the latest pictures - http://www.cosforums.com/showthread....98#post5285298 - are good proof that the spilt will be at least after Goblin's Revenge...

i think the first film almost had to end past that chapter from the start. i dont think there are any moments before that chapter (reworked for film or not) that lend themselves well to a movie ending.

plus if the movies are being filmed all at once, they obviously cant film everything in chronological order, so i dont think the pics say a lot about which movie contains what.

however im up for every tidbit that can be grasped for the movies so the pics are still nice to see.

[ArryGrotter]

Originally Posted by AccioLumos

plus if the movies are being filmed all at once, they obviously cant film everything in chronological order, so i dont think the pics say a lot about which movie contains what.

Part 1 is being filmed before Part 2 (though each out of order), as said my multiple sources

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by ArryGrotter

Part 1 is being filmed before Part 2 (though each out of order), as said my multiple sources

Well, I'm a bit confused on this now because Emma Watson is now saying that they're filming both parts at once and trying to get the bulk of her scenes completed before September because she'll be taking a break to attend University.

Emma Watson to Film for Deathly Hallows Over Christmas, Next March

And there was also that bit from Alan Rickman about how he and Ralph Fiennes would not be filming until later on this year - which falls into the projected schedule for part 2. So now I'm not sure what they're doing. It might be that they're concentrating on part 1 and making allowances for certain scenes to accomodate those scheduling conflicts, but unlike Rickman and Fiennes, Emma will be in the bulk of the scenes for both films so I don't know.

[ArryGrotter]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

Well, I'm a bit confused on this now because Emma Watson is now saying that they're filming both parts at once and trying to get the bulk of her scenes completed before September because she'll be taking a break to attend University.

Emma Watson to Film for Deathly Hallows Over Christmas, Next March

And there was also that bit from Alan Rickman about how he and Ralph Fiennes would not be filming until later on this year - which falls into the projected schedule for part 2. So now I'm not sure what they're doing. It might be that they're concentrating on part 1 and making allowances for certain scenes to accomodate those scheduling conflicts, but unlike Rickman and Fiennes, Emma will be in the bulk of the scenes for both films so I don't know.

Ok.. That throws things out of perspective..

So now we may never know where it spilts?

[AccioHP]

Emma's in most of the scenes so I wonder how they'd do that?

Not saying this is going to happen, but, could scheduling issues constitute a delay in the film?

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by ArryGrotter

Ok.. That throws things out of perspective..

So now we may never know where it spilts?

I don't know. I guess it depends on whether Emma is referring to them filming parts 1 and 2 back to back or if she means they are actually filming them together and mixing the scenes up. It is possible that her statement was taken out of context or misconstrued - that's happened before.

I think it makes the most sense that they would concentrate on part 1 and they'll be filming back to back - but I just don't know if that's actually what they are doing now.

Originally Posted by AccioHP

Emma's in most of the scenes so I wonder how they'd do that?

Not saying this is going to happen, but, could scheduling issues constitute a delay in the film?

Probably not. They've always had some scheduling conflicts and had to work around the kids schedule for their "school" time on the set and exams and such. And I believe their were scheduling conflicts with Rickman before as well. They didn't cause any major problems - they just shot around those scenes and then went back and filmed them later.

[lcbaseball22]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

Well, I'm a bit confused on this now because Emma Watson is now saying that they're filming both parts at once and trying to get the bulk of her scenes completed before September because she'll be taking a break to attend University.

Emma Watson to Film for Deathly Hallows Over Christmas, Next March

And there was also that bit from Alan Rickman about how he and Ralph Fiennes would not be filming until later on this year - which falls into the projected schedule for part 2. So now I'm not sure what they're doing. It might be that they're concentrating on part 1 and making allowances for certain scenes to accomodate those scheduling conflicts, but unlike Rickman and Fiennes, Emma will be in the bulk of the scenes for both films so I don't know.

Hmm, I'd say that quote is being mis-understand, not that they are literally filming both "at once". I think rather she's referring to how they are filming them back to back cause otherwise that directly contradicts what the producer said. Or, as you said they are having to work around her University schedule and they are making exceptions like with Rickman and Fiennes apparently. Still, it's a bit odd

Oh, and the filming over Christmas and next March would be her Part 2 stuff I'd say because I think they are supposed to be done with part 1 filming in like October/November it sounds like, taking a short break and then starting part 2 filming in mid-December perhaps.

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by lcbaseball22

Hmm, I'd say that quote is being mis-understand, not that they are literally filming both "at once". I think rather she's referring to how they are filming them back to back. Or, as you said they are having to work around her University schedule and they are making exceptions like with Rickman and Fiennes apparently.

I hope that is the case. I can see them making some exceptions for certain scenes, but it makes more sense for them to concentrate on part 1 and then move on to part 2 in terms of scheduling for post production and release.

[SnakeSinister]

Oh wow! I just saw the new photos with Harry and Hermione in the tent on location.

I glad they are already so into shooting DH, I was not sure who into it they were yet.