Read-a-Thon: GoF

[Kanksha]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Chapter Eleven:

Okay nothing much to mention, just two questions to ask. Who had made the bet with McLaggen to eat the doxy eggs?

One of his seventh year friends, probably.
I was going to suggest perhaps one of the Weasley twins, but it seems a rather more foolhardy and dangerous bet than I would expect from them. They don't really encourage things that would make one seriously ill. They did however possess Doxy eggs, hmmm.........

Hagrid mentions that Aragog's tribe is "gettin' a bit funny". Is it a coincedence that Aragog has fallen ill? Could Voldemort have gotten them to side with him? Is that the reason for them joining the fight in DH? (WWP, page 93)

I agree with kittling on this. I think the tribe's acting funny was a direct result of Aragog's being ill and hence not being able to control them.

Also how would Voldemort have gotten them to side with him, they are on Hogwarts grounds after all. How would he or any of the DE's have been able to make contact?

ETA: Just saw this

Originally Posted by FluorescentQ

I have heard a theory that the Weasley twins bet McLaggen to eat the eggs, since they had swiped a few doxies in OOtP. I wouldn't be surprised, since they don't seem that fond of McLaggen, and would want to prevent him from making Quidditch.

Hmm I didn't think of it that way, Fred and George doing it to keep McLaggen off the team. I think it's highly likely!

[merrymarge]

Why didn't Slughorn want Ron to attend any of his little parties? If anyone could get Harry to attend, it would be Ron.
Is Muffliato similar to Wrackspurts? Muffliato fills the ears with an unidentifiable buzzing and Wrackspurts make your brain go fuzzy. Both are invisible. Anyway, they seem similar.

[amanduhrae]

Originally Posted by merrymarge

Why didn't Slughorn want Ron to attend any of his little parties? If anyone could get Harry to attend, it would be Ron.
Is Muffliato similar to Wrackspurts? Muffliato fills the ears with an unidentifiable buzzing and Wrackspurts make your brain go fuzzy. Both are invisible. Anyway, they seem similar.

Slughorn didn't pay enough attention to Ron to realize that he was best friends with Harry. However, if he did pay attention, he would've invited Ron right away. A friend of Harry's was a friend of his!

Wrackspurts, I think, are actual creatures and Muffliato is a spell that just causes someone to hear something else. You can control Muffliato but you can't control Wrackspurts. I don't think wrackspurts are even real, though; just this weird theory of Luna's, like usual.

[Kanksha]

Originally Posted by merrymarge

Why didn't Slughorn want Ron to attend any of his little parties? If anyone could get Harry to attend, it would be Ron.

Slughorn didn't think very much of Ron, he didn't think Ron had the brilliance to be in the Slug Club. I doubt he even considered inviting Ron in order to get Harry to come. Ron didn't figure anyway on his radar.

Is Muffliato similar to Wrackspurts? Muffliato fills the ears with an unidentifiable buzzing and Wrackspurts make your brain go fuzzy. Both are invisible. Anyway, they seem similar.

I agree with amanduhrae on this

Muffliato is a spell, Wrackspurts are creatures that enter your brain (if they exist, that is )

[TreacleTartlet]

Originally Posted by FluorescentQ

I have heard a theory that the Weasley twins bet McLaggen to eat the eggs, since they had swiped a few doxies in OOtP. I wouldn't be surprised, since they don't seem that fond of McLaggen, and would want to prevent him from making Quidditch.

It cannot have been the Weasley twins as they were no longer at school anymore as they left in OotP to set up their shop.

[FluorescentQ]

Originally Posted by TreacleTartlet

It cannot have been the Weasley twins as they were no longer at school anymore as they left in OotP to set up their shop.

They left at the end of OotP though, and Quidditch tryouts would definitely have been in the beginning of the year.

[Kanksha]

Originally Posted by FluorescentQ

They left at the end of OotP though, and Quidditch tryouts would definitely have been in the beginning of the year.

Exactly, it is very likely that it was the Weasley twins as they were very much around at the time of Quidditch. One of them got the lifetime ban with Harry infact.
They left around the end, just before the time when they were scheduled to sit for their N.E.W.T.S.

[TreacleTartlet]

Ah yes, that's right!

[JimmyPotter]

In Chapter 10 we get a glimpse of Voldemort's relatives before he was born. His maternal relatives have the pure blood mania we later see in the Death Eaters. We also see two objects that will later become Horcruxes, the Peverell ring and Salzar Slytherin's locket. One thing that I have often been curious of is Voldemort's paternal relatives. Dumbledore refers to Tom Riddle Sr as the "squire's son." Could the Riddles have been of the nobility? Maybe this is where Tom Riddle got the idea to call himself "Lord Voldemort." Though it does seem odd that Voldemort would hate Muggles yet use one of their institutions that he might have thought was to his benefit.

[ally_xx]

Originally Posted by JimmyPotter

In Chapter 10 we get a glimpse of Voldemort's relatives before he was born. His maternal relatives have the pure blood mania we later see in the Death Eaters. We also see two objects that will later become Horcruxes, the Peverell ring and Salzar Slytherin's locket. One thing that I have often been curious of is Voldemort's paternal relatives. Dumbledore refers to Tom Riddle Sr as the "squire's son." Could the Riddles have been of the nobility? Maybe this is where Tom Riddle got the idea to call himself "Lord Voldemort." Though it does seem odd that Voldemort would hate Muggles yet use one of their institutions that he might have thought was to his benefit.

Hmm good question. But I think maybe Voldemort chose "Lord" because it sounds almighty, big, powerful etc.

[amanduhrae]

Originally Posted by ally_xx

Hmm good question. But I think maybe Voldemort chose "Lord" because it sounds almighty, big, powerful etc.

Also, the name Lord Voldemort came from Tom Marvolo Riddle. In Chamber of Secrets, Harry saw the letters in his real full name transform to "I am Lord Voldemort," an anagram. I'm not sure if that was what Lord Voldemort intended, but I wouldn't doubt it.

[xhanax315]

This is Chapter Twelve:

• Why was Zonko's Joke Shop closed?
• If Hagrid is so large, why is it that Harry always seems to run into him?
• What would've happened if Harry used Levicorpus verbally? Would the spell have worked or would it react differently?
• Why would Filch be worried about what goes out of the castle? Why would he use Secrecy Sensors to check the students, weren't we told that they'd be no use around Hogwarts?

[amanduhrae]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

This is Chapter Twelve:

• Why was Zonko's Joke Shop closed?
• If Hagrid is so large, why is it that Harry always seems to run into him?
• What would've happened if Harry used Levicorpus verbally? Would the spell have worked or would it react differently?
• Why would Filch be worried about what goes out of the castle? Why would he use Secrecy Sensors to check the students, weren't we told that they'd be no use around Hogwarts?

1. I think the death eaters closed Zonko's, just like they closed all the other shops. Or maybe the people at Zonko's got scared that they'd be dragged away so they closed it before that could happen.
2. lol. Harry is just not paying attention, I guess. He has a lot on his mind.
3. I think leviocorpus would've reacted the same way... it was just that it was created especially to be done inverbally, so it's easier than the shield charms they were doing in DADA.
4. Ha ha! That's exactly what Ron asked! I guess the school can never be too careful. =P

[Googlie]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

This is Chapter Twelve:

• Why was Zonko's Joke Shop closed?

They probably wanted to go into hiding. But I'd like to think they were put out of business by WWW.

• What would've happened if Harry used Levicorpus verbally? Would the spell have worked or would it react differently?

I don't think it works differently if you said the incantation out aloud. It is probably one of the spells which is quite easy to produce non-verbally. And just like any other spell since NV spells give you an advantage its better to stick to it rather than call out Levicorpus.

[MrSleepyHead]

Originally Posted by TreacleTartlet

We do see Harry leave the Pensieve by himself in DH, after he has witnessed Snape's memories. After the memories finish it says:

Thank you - I had forgotten about that example, for which I am very ashamed since I had just read The Prince's Tale a day before I posted that.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Who had made the bet with McLaggen to eat the doxy eggs?

I always like to think Fred and George made the bet with McLaggen, purely for the fun of seeing the effects it had on McLaggen (or perhaps they were testing the Doxy eggs for one of their products). At the least, I would think they were the suppliers of the Doxy eggs.

Originally Posted by JimmyPotter

One thing that I have often been curious of is Voldemort's paternal relatives. Dumbledore refers to Tom Riddle Sr as the "squire's son." Could the Riddles have been of the nobility? Maybe this is where Tom Riddle got the idea to call himself "Lord Voldemort." Though it does seem odd that Voldemort would hate Muggles yet use one of their institutions that he might have thought was to his benefit.

"Squire" does not necessarily refer to nobility, though it can. However, in this case, I think the term is used to describe Mr. Riddle (Voldemort's grandfather) as the chief land proprietor of Little Hangleton. Tom Riddle Sr. says, "Everything on the other side of the valley belongs to us, but that cottage belongs to an old tramp called Gaunt, and his children" (HBP, Ch. 10, Pg. 209), so the Riddles owned a large portion of Little Hangleton. Therefore, I believe Dumbledore's use of "squire" to describe Mr. Riddle was in reference to this, not nobility.

I also agree with you conclusion that Tom Riddle would not choose "Lord" because it relates to the Riddles' nobility (which I do not think they were). He despised his paternal heritage, so I do not think he would want any ties to his father at all - this is why he changed his name in the first place.

I believe "Lord" is simply an intimidating title, one that assumes dictatorship and control over a population (his "servants"), which was what Voldemort aimed for.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Why was Zonko's Joke Shop closed?

I think business is generally poor for Zonko's during the summer, without Hogwarts students to purchase their merchandise. This, coupled with Voldemort's return, probably brought their income very low. It is also possible that the owners saw remaining at Hogsmeade too dangerous, so they went into hiding.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

If Hagrid is so large, why is it that Harry always seems to run into him?

I would say it is because Hagrid is so large that Harry always seems to run into him!

Harry often has too much on his mind and does not watch where he is walking, so I do not find it odd that he walks into the biggest person at Hogwarts a fair amount.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

What would've happened if Harry used Levicorpus verbally? Would the spell have worked or would it react differently?

We know the spell can be used verbally because Hermione does so in DH, when at Gringotts:

DH, Ch. 26, Gringotts, Page 539, American, HB "Hermione," said Harry as the clanking grew louder, "I've got to get up there, we've got to get rid of it -" She raised her wand, pointed it at Harry, and whispered, "Levicorpus." Hoisted into the air by his ankle, Harry hit a suit of armor and replicas burst out of it like white-hot bodies, filling the cramped space.

Although the spell could work verbally, I think Snape advised it to be "nvbl" because it possibly gave the caster more control, and the spell would be much more effective if the victim did not hear an incantation before his/her leg was hoisted into the air.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Why would Filch be worried about what goes out of the castle? Why would he use Secrecy Sensors to check the students, weren't we told that they'd be no use around Hogwarts?

Dark artifacts are Dark artifacts, in my opinion. If a student somehow smuggled one in, it would still be dangerous if brought into Hogsmeade and used on other students - especially since there is much less supervision of the students when they are at Hogsmeade, compared to when they are in Hogwarts.

I am unsure what you are referring to about the Secrecy Sensors. Why would they not work at Hogwarts?

[Kanksha]

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

Dark artifacts are Dark artifacts, in my opinion. If a student somehow smuggled one in, it would still be dangerous if brought into Hogsmeade and used on other students - especially since there is much less supervision of the students when they are at Hogsmeade, compared to when they are in Hogwarts.

I am unsure what you are referring to about the Secrecy Sensors. Why would they not work at Hogwarts?

I think it was the fake Moody in GoF who told Harry that Secrecy Sensors don't work properly at Hogwarts because their function is to detect lies and concealment, and in Hogwarts people are lying left, right and centre; about where they're going, why they didn't do their homework etc. so the Secrecy Sensors constantly pick up on stuff like that, and go wonky.

I suppose Filch was able to use it because students on their way to Hogsmeade wouldn't ordinarily need to conceal stuff, so there was less of it around, and the Secrecy Sensor was able to work normally.

[merrymarge]

Madam Rosemerta was Imperioused and hid in the Ladies room, to pass a pakage to a Hogwarts student. Couldn't she just hand over the package without being Imperioused?
Was that spell really necessary to pass along the necklace?
I think Filched liked using the Secrecy Sensor. It was a chance for him to poke people. (Ha, Ha)

[Amina]

Originally Posted by merrymarge

Madam Rosemerta was Imperioused and hid in the Ladies room, to pass a pakage to a Hogwarts student. Couldn't she just hand over the package without being Imperioused?
Was that spell really necessary to pass along the necklace?
I think Filched liked using the Secrecy Sensor. It was a chance for him to poke people. (Ha, Ha)

I think, if she wasn't imperioused, she'd wonder why she was being asked to hand over secret packages by Draco Malfoy...

I think it was a long-winded way of killing Dumbledore, let alone passing on the necklace, but of course, we know Draco wasn't feeling too happy about the whole killing-Dumbldore thing anyway

[merrymarge]

Thank you, I didn't think about her asking questions, I just thought it was strange.

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by Kanksha

I think it was the fake Moody in GoF who told Harry that Secrecy Sensors don't work properly at Hogwarts because their function is to detect lies and concealment, and in Hogwarts people are lying left, right and centre; about where they're going, why they didn't do their homework etc. so the Secrecy Sensors constantly pick up on stuff like that, and go wonky.

I suppose Filch was able to use it because students on their way to Hogsmeade wouldn't ordinarily need to conceal stuff, so there was less of it around, and the Secrecy Sensor was able to work normally.

That, or perhaps Dumbledore has fooled around with them a bit to make them more effective.