Read-a-Thon: GoF

[MrSleepyHead]

Originally Posted by witchsmart

This is hard to answer. I'm sure that Dumbledore had hoped that his secrets would be kept, seeing as there were very few people still alive who knew about them, but I think he would have known that even the best-kept secrets cannot be hidden from the eyes of the world forever.

I almost want to believe that Dumbledore did foresee his past being revealed (though maybe not as quickly nor amongst such bias as Rita Skeeter caused), given Aberforth and Elphias were still alive. I do not think Dumbledore aimed to hide his past from Harry, but I do not think he wanted to tell Harry/give Harry the information. All of the information about Dumbledore's past upset and angered Harry, and I think Dumbledore would surely have understood that information would upset Harry. Not wanting anything to distract Harry from the quest, Dumbledore would probably have tried to hide the "truth" until after Harry succeeded, in my opinion.

However, if this is true, this is one occasion where I think Dumbledore's plan backfiredy (and not just by hiding the truth from Harry), since the ambiguity of Dumbledore's past made Harry discover it from the worst possible source.

Was Dumbledore hoping to confide more in Harry, if he had not died? Or was this simply one of Dumbledore's larger-than-normal mistakes?

Originally Posted by witchsmart

Or maybe dead people are omniscient. When Harry resurrected them with the Stone, James, Lily, Remus, and Sirius all seemed to be up to speed with what Harry had been doing.

I agree that the deceased are knowledgeable of what has happened/is happening (Priori Incantatem, the Resurrection Stone, King's Cross), but I do not think that has any bearing on Dumbledore's plans (and what he did/did not reveal to Harry) before his death.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

I'm sure she did volunteer, remember that Harry saved her sister's life, so she might've thought she owned it to him.

This is a good point. We know that in DH Fleur still maintains Harry saved Gabrielle's life, so I think it very plausible that volunteering to be one of the seven Potters was something of repayment in her eyes.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

When did that Travers get into Azkaban? Was he at the ministry with other DEs?

I am not sure if Travers was at the Department of Mysteries (I do not have my book with me right now) - I do not think so, though. Perhaps Travers never broke out of Azkaban (in the mass breakout in OotP - we know he was imprisoned for the murder of the McKinnons), since I do not believe he was mentioned in the graveyard in GoF or the Department of Mysteries in OotP.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Why was Harry and the others looking expectantly at the sky, while the rest of the order would've come by portkeys?

I think the sky was the logical place to keep looking towards, even if the others should be arriving by Portkey. Also, they may have suspected the other Order members would be flying back to the Burrow if they missed their Portkeys.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

How did Arthur find out that George was injured? Why was he shouting at Kingsley?

I like the idea that Arthur may have seen George's ear cut off by Snape (or Lupin supporting a bleeding "Harry," who Arthur would know was George), or else someone told him upon his arrival. Kingsley was in the way of Arthur finding out if George was all right - I think it very reasonable he would be shouting.

Originally Posted by witchsmart

Don't people fall down out of the sky when they take a portkey? Or is that just a movie-mix up? If so, then perhaps they thought that since the others missed their portkeys, they would be arriving by broom or thestral.

I do not think Portkeys (and the travelers) necessarily fall down from the sky (like shown in the film) - I think they simply appear at the destination, on the ground.

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

When the members of the order who missed their portkeys failed to return, did they fly? Surely that would be kind of dangerous as they were trying to lead the DE's away from the burrow then they all flew towards it..

This is an interesting question. I would assume the Order members would simply make another Portkey, but:

DH, Ch. 5, Fallen Warrior Two figures had appeared in the yard, and as Harry ran toward them he realized they were Hermione, now returning to her normal appearance, and Kingsley, both clutching a bent coat hanger, Hermione flung herself into Harry's arms, but Kingsley showed no pleasure at the sight of any of them. ... And then a broom materialized directly above them and streaked toward the ground – ... A thestral had just soared into sight and landed a few feet from them. Bill and Fleur slid from its back, windswept but unhurt.

I think Hermione and Kingsley may have used their original Portkey and Bill and Fleur did fly by thestral. However, why would Tonks and Ron's broom "materialize directly above them and streak toward the ground"? Did Tonks and Ron use Side-Along Apparition while flying?

Also, how did the Order create the Portkeys in the first place, since Portkeys supposedly have to be authorized by the Ministry (Fudge's comment in OotP, though I do not think the Ministry actually knows if a Portkey is made)? If the Ministry did not know of the Portkeys, why could the Order members who missed their Portkeys simply make another?

[FlashMemory]

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

I almost want to believe that Dumbledore did foresee his past being revealed (though maybe not as quickly nor amongst such bias as Rita Skeeter caused), given Aberforth and Elphias were still alive. I do not think Dumbledore aimed to hide his past from Harry, but I do not think he wanted to tell Harry/give Harry the information. All of the information about Dumbledore's past upset and angered Harry, and I think Dumbledore would surely have understood that information would upset Harry. Not wanting anything to distract Harry from the quest, Dumbledore would probably have tried to hide the "truth" until after Harry succeeded, in my opinion.

However, if this is true, this is one occasion where I think Dumbledore's plan backfiredy (and not just by hiding the truth from Harry), since the ambiguity of Dumbledore's past made Harry discover it from the worst possible source.

Was Dumbledore hoping to confide more in Harry, if he had not died? Or was this simply one of Dumbledore's larger-than-normal mistakes?

I'm not sure, if you think about it Dumbledore tried for a long time to protect Harry by not telling him the truth about other things, convinving himself that it was in Harry's best interest. Probably the same thing with the truth about his past, he intended to tell Harry everything but left it too late and so it horribly backfired causing Harry to hear it in what was, in my opinion, the worst way.

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

I agree that the deceased are knowledgeable of what has happened/is happening (Priori Incantatem, the Resurrection Stone, King's Cross), but I do not think that has any bearing on Dumbledore's plans (and what he did/did not reveal to Harry) before his death.

But it seemed to be Dumbledore's plan that Harry should 'die' when he eventually faced Voldemort but not actually die, so I think it's possible that meeting Harry and regaining his confidence may have been part of the plan. He had so little time to tell Harry all he wanted to while alive, if he had been aware of the time they would have together at Kings Cross it may have seemed to him a good time to share more information with Harry, he was nearing the end of his quest.

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

Also, how did the Order create the Portkeys in the first place, since Portkeys supposedly have to be authorized by the Ministry (Fudge's comment in OotP, though I do not think the Ministry actually knows if a Portkey is made)? If the Ministry did not know of the Portkeys, why could the Order members who missed their Portkeys simply make another?

While I agree portkeys have to be authorised by the ministry, I get the impresssion that they weren't immediately notified when one was made. Dumbledore makes a portkey to take Harry and the Weasleys to Grimmauld Place in OotP when Mr Weasley is bitten. He does this so they can get away before the ministry finds out, if the MoM immediately knew about the portkey it would be beside the point.. So making a new portkey seems the best option, right? Maybe when Bill and Fleur saw Mad-eye killed they thought they should try and fly immediately to safety so went straight for the burrow. Same maybe with Ron and Tonks, they got lost from the chase so, realising they'd missed their portkey apparated straight to the burrow?

[bellatrix93]

A few things from Chapter 6:

- Why did the Weasleys have a ghoul? What are they keeping it for? What does it usually eat?

- What stories was Mr. Weasley telling the Delacours?

- I was under the impression that when summoning an object you needed to know where it is. How did Hermione manage to summon the Horcrux books when she didn't know their place?

[TreacleTartlet]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

A few things from Chapter 6:
- Why did the Weasleys have a ghoul? What are they keeping it for? What does it usually eat?

According to "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them":

....in wizarding families ghouls often become a talking point or even a family pet.


Also it says that they eat spiders and moths.

- I was under the impression that when summoning an object you needed to know where it is. How did Hermione manage to summon the Horcrux books when she didn't know their place?

I think you only need to know the general location. I was under the impression that Hermione deduced that Dumbledore would probably have had them in his study and tried to summon the books from there, which is exactly where she found them.

[xhanax315]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

A few things from Chapter 6:
- What stories was Mr. Weasley telling the Delacours?

I would like to know this as well, especially since he gave that 'maniacal laugh'.

My inquiries from Chapter Six:

• What should've Mrs. Weasley realized when attempting to find out what the trio's plans were from Harry?
• Whatever happened to Mad-Eye's body?
• Ron was going to mention "Merlin's shaggy left" what?

• I'm going to try and put it all back together again when Molly's not - I mean, when I have time."

  When Molly's not what?
• Did Mr. Weasley ever get the bike back together?
• Where would the Death Eaters have "stuffed" Mad-Eye?
• I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't recall whether it was here or another thread (): Why is it that the curse Mad-Eye left for Snape on Grimmauld Place still exists after his death? What about the Fidelius charm placed on Grimmauld Place by Dumbledore?

[CrimsonZephyr]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

[*]I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't recall whether it was here or another thread (): Why is it that the curse Mad-Eye left for Snape on Grimmauld Place still exists after his death? What about the Fidelius charm placed on Grimmauld Place by Dumbledore?[/list]

I'll bet Moody might've set the curse - somehow - to remain potent even if he died. He'd probably plan for that, actually. As for the Fidelius Charm; it was weakened due to Dumbledore's death. Everyone who knew the Secret became the new Secret Keepers.

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

What should've Mrs. Weasley realized when attempting to find out what the trio's plans were from Harry?

I'm not sure, but I think she should've realised what they were going to do. Should've guessed that the 'mission' meant finishing off Voldemort.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Whatever happened to Mad-Eye's body?

I always thought that the DEs got his body once the chase was over.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Ron was going to mention "Merlin's shaggy left" what?

I've been wondering about that one, too.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

When Molly's not what?

When Molly's not around? I think this is probable. Since she didn't approve of his collecting muggle things.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Did Mr. Weasley ever get the bike back together?

I don't think so. At least not too soon. They weren't expecting the DEs to break the enchantments around their house. So I don't think anyone under such circumstances would put a 'bike' back together.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

[*]I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't recall whether it was here or another thread (): Why is it that the curse Mad-Eye left for Snape on Grimmauld Place still exists after his death? What about the Fidelius charm placed on Grimmauld Place by Dumbledore?

Good question

[MrSleepyHead]

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

But it seemed to be Dumbledore's plan that Harry should 'die' when he eventually faced Voldemort but not actually die, so I think it's possible that meeting Harry and regaining his confidence may have been part of the plan. He had so little time to tell Harry all he wanted to while alive, if he had been aware of the time they would have together at Kings Cross it may have seemed to him a good time to share more information with Harry, he was nearing the end of his quest.

I agree. I think Dumbledore knew he would be able to speak with Harry after Harry's "death," and thus reveal all the questions and doubts Harry had of Dumbledore.

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

While I agree portkeys have to be authorised by the ministry, I get the impresssion that they weren't immediately notified when one was made. Dumbledore makes a portkey to take Harry and the Weasleys to Grimmauld Place in OotP when Mr Weasley is bitten. He does this so they can get away before the ministry finds out, if the MoM immediately knew about the portkey it would be beside the point..

Agreed, this was how I read the Portkey situation as well. The Ministry may, in theory, have to authorize them, but I do not think they are notified when a Portkey is made.

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

So making a new portkey seems the best option, right? Maybe when Bill and Fleur saw Mad-eye killed they thought they should try and fly immediately to safety so went straight for the burrow. Same maybe with Ron and Tonks, they got lost from the chase so, realising they'd missed their portkey apparated straight to the burrow?

I think both of these conclusions are plausible, since they explain the individuals' states of mind and an alternative for using a Portkey.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

What stories was Mr. Weasley telling the Delacours?

I imagine he was telling them stories of the Weasley family - more specifically, many of Bill. I think Arthur would want to give the Delacours an idea of who the Weasleys were, so I think he would have told stories about the family (especially when the children were younger).

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

I was under the impression that when summoning an object you needed to know where it is. How did Hermione manage to summon the Horcrux books when she didn't know their place?

I agree with TreacleTartlet that you only have to know the general location of where the object may be. I do not think it can be as general as "Hogwarts," but "Dumbledore's Office" seems like it would be specific enough for a Summoning Charm to work.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

What should've Mrs. Weasley realized when attempting to find out what the trio's plans were from Harry?

I think she wanted confirmation that Harry was truly going to leave. I think she knew Harry was leaving for something Voldemort-related, probably encouraged by Dumbledore, but she wanted to try to change his mind nonetheless.

As to your question of "what should've Mrs. Weasley realized," are you referring to this quote?

DH, Ch. 6, The Ghoul in Pajamas, Page 88, American, HB He handed her back the single sock he was supposed to be identifying, which was patterned with gold bulrushes. "And that's not mine, I don't support Puddlemere United." "Oh, of course not," said Mrs. Weasley with a sudden and rather unnerving return to her casual tone. "I should have realized."

In this situation, I think she "should have realized" that Harry did not support Puddlemere United.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Whatever happened to Mad-Eye's body?

I think the Death Eaters (or the Ministry) discovered it and kept it/destroyed it to keep it away from the Order.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Ron was going to mention "Merlin's shaggy left" what?

...

Originally Posted by xhanax315

When Molly's not what?

When she is not around, as I read it. Molly would likely not approve of Arthur tinkering with a Muggle motorcycle (recall the flying Ford Anglia), so he would want to fix it when Molly is not around (and in a better time, rather than the war they were in).

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Did Mr. Weasley ever get the bike back together?

I like to think he did, once the Wizarding World settled back to normality. Perhaps he even tinkered with the motorcycle somewhat soon after the war, in order to busy himself from all the grief.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Where would the Death Eaters have "stuffed" Mad-Eye?

Since Harry was comparing Moody's body to Barty Crouch's ("turned into a bone and buried in Hagrid's front garden"), I think Harry would have ended the sentence with Moody being "stuffed" in some piece of land or "disposal".

Originally Posted by xhanax315

I know this has been mentioned before, but I can't recall whether it was here or another thread (): Why is it that the curse Mad-Eye left for Snape on Grimmauld Place still exists after his death? What about the Fidelius charm placed on Grimmauld Place by Dumbledore?

I think some spells can be made to last after the death of the caster. An example of this would be the Permanent-Sticking Charm, which makes the intended object permanently stick, even after the spellcaster is dead (e.g. Sirius's mother). I think Moody would have made his charms protecting 12 Grimmauld Place last even after his death, since he knew the possibility of dying during those times. Meanwhile, other spells (like Dumbledore's Full-Body Bind on Harry in HBP) are, at the root, meant only for temporary operation (until the effects wear off, the spellcaster lifts the spell, the spellcaster no longer concentrates on the spell, etc.).

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

I was under the impression that when summoning an object you needed to know where it is. How did Hermione manage to summon the Horcrux books when she didn't know their place?

Like TreacleTart, I think that Hermione had a general idea of where the horcrux books are. She tried Summoning them from her room, and since she couldn't see where they came from beyond the window, she must have known that they were in Dumbledore's office.

Whatever happened to Mad-Eye's body?

Like MrSleepyHead said, the Death Eaters/Ministry discovered it, since Umbridge managed to get her hands on Mad-Eye's eye.

Ron was going to mention "Merlin's shaggy left" what?

That should clear it up, though I'm sure it was a mostly retorical question.

Where would the Death Eaters have "stuffed" Mad-Eye?

You know, when I first read this I thought you said "Why would the Death Eaters have 'stuffed' Mad-Eye" and thought that perhaps Voldemort thought the bear-skin rugs were too old-fashioned for him. But on a serious note, I'm not even sure they kept the body. Mostly likely they either burned it or dumped it in a river somewhere.

[bellatrix93]

Chapter 7:

-How could Harry tell that Voldemort was abroad? When he hadn't been to a lot of places in England as a child.

-If Ron's book was about 'Ways to charm witches' then how could it've helped him get rid of Lavender?

- What could've Mrs. Weasley possibly given Hermione for her seventeenth birthday? And what is the traditional gift to witches when they come of age, anyway?

- Why had Ron come back to Ginny's room?

- From where did Ron get that manner? Since when he was the one talking about ditching and messing people around? And how was he the one silencing Hermione? Doesn't sound like Ron to me.

- Does Charlie have long hair like Bill, too? Why was Mrs. Weasley forcing him to cut it?

- Why was Hermione 'confused' when Ron praised her?

- Why had Hermione cried when she recieved the book?

[MrSleepyHead]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

How could Harry tell that Voldemort was abroad? When he hadn't been to a lot of places in England as a child.

I assume Harry has seen a lot of pictures of Britain when he was enrolled in Muggle school. Even if the Dursleys refused to take him anywhere, I think Harry would still have developed a knowledge of Britain's geography through books and school.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

If Ron's book was about 'Ways to charm witches' then how could it've helped him get rid of Lavender?

I think it is because the book "explains everything you need to know about girls," which would give Ron the knowledge and understanding of "how to get rid of Lavender." Ron largely stayed in a relationship with Lavender because he did not know how to end it - he was apprehensive and possibly scared about breaking up with Lavender (even though he wanted to). I think the book would have given him a better understanding of girls, allowing him to "know exactly how to get rid of Lavender."

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

What could've Mrs. Weasley possibly given Hermione for her seventeenth birthday? And what is the traditional gift to witches when they come of age, anyway?

I am not sure what Mrs. Weasley would have given Hermione - a book, or something related to Hermione's love of learning, I would think. I do not think the Weasleys would have given Hermione what is customary to give a witch when she comes of age, though, since Hermione had her own parents. I expect they may have communicated with the Grangers to let them know of the tradition, but allow the Grangers to choose and give the gift to Hermione.

As for what the traditional gift is for witches, I have no idea.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Why had Ron come back to Ginny's room?

I think Ron largely suspected what Ginny had in mind to "give" Harry, and he did not like the idea of Ginny and Harry kissing/getting re-emotionally attached after their breakup. Therefore, I think he purposefully reentered Ginny's bedroom to interrupt Harry's and Ginny's kiss.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

From where did Ron get that manner? Since when he was the one talking about ditching and messing people around? And how was he the one silencing Hermione? Doesn't sound like Ron to me.

I think Ron was very protective of Ginny at this point, and he did not want Harry to hurt her any more. I also believe Ron may have wanted to spare Harry's own feelings from getting too involved with Ginny again, since Ron knew Harry was going to hunt down Horcruxes and would not be able to be with Ginny at that time.

I did not read Ron's reactions as out-of-character; I simply think he overreacted (e.g. silencing Hermione) because his emotions were running so high (especially when he was arguing with his best friend about such a sensitive matter).

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Does Charlie have long hair like Bill, too? Why was Mrs. Weasley forcing him to cut it?

I always thought this slightly odd, since it was Bill whom Mrs. Weasley was always trying to give a haircut to. However, I do not think it impractical that Charlie also had longer hair, given he was an outdoorsy type who worked with dragons in Romania.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Why was Hermione 'confused' when Ron praised her?

I think Hermione was confused because Ron rarely complimented her. She was used to Ron making jokes about her and acting indifferently towards many of her abilities, so Ron's compliment of her was understandably a little disconcerting for Hermione. I do think, though, that Hermione understood the reason behind Ron's change of tactics, so her "confusion" was more being taken aback than actually being confused.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Why had Hermione cried when she recieved the book?[/b]

Hermione was at a very emotionally agitated and sensitive stage at this point, with Dumbledore's death, Mad-Eye's death, sending her parents to Australia, etc. The book, as I read it, was a reminder of Dumbledore to Hermione, so I can understand why she grew tearful.

One thing I wondered about in Chapter 7:

DH, Ch. 7, The Will of Albus Dumbledore, Page 135, American, HB Something creaked downstairs. "Probably just Charlie, now Mum's asleep, sneaking off to regrow his hair," said Ron nervously.

Was this really Charlie "sneaking off to regrow his hair"? If so, why did Charlie have to "sneak off" to do this? Would he have been disturbing Bill if he had stayed in the bedroom to regrow his hair (I can understand this, given Bill was getting married the following day)?

Also, why did Ron comment about Charlie "nervously"?

And, was I the only one who thought something was possibly going to come of the "something [that] creaked downstairs"? I half expected it to be a stowaway Death Eater, Rufus Scrimgeour, etc.

[xhanax315]

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

One thing I wondered about in Chapter 7:

Was this really Charlie "sneaking off to regrow his hair"? If so, why did Charlie have to "sneak off" to do this? Would he have been disturbing Bill if he had stayed in the bedroom to regrow his hair (I can understand this, given Bill was getting married the following day)?

Also, why did Ron comment about Charlie "nervously"?

And, was I the only one who thought something was possibly going to come of the "something [that] creaked downstairs"? I half expected it to be a stowaway Death Eater, Rufus Scrimgeour, etc.

I didn't think it was Charlie at all, we didn't see him with regrown hair at the wedding, unless Mrs. Weasley got to him again. I had thought it was Mrs. Weasley actually listening upon the trio again, but maybe not. I didn't think anything would've come of it; actually I was quite hoping the trio would have one last normal stay at the Burrow....

Chapter Seven:
Why had Lupin and Tonks rushed off at the arrival of the Minister?
Was it mere coincedence that Mrs. Weasley had made Harry's cake a snitch? CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
Does that mean that a new snitch is created for every Hogwarts match?

"It occurs to me that Dumbledore, who had prodigious magical skill, whatever his other faults, might have enchanted this snitch so that it will open only for you."
DH, UK version, page 108

What might those faults be?
I love hearing about how Norbert is actually Norberta.

I wouldn't say this is my favorite chapter of DH, but this is one of my favorite small parts:

"There's the silver lining I've been looking for," she whispered, and then she was kissing him as she had never kissed him before, and Harry was kissing her back, and it was blissful oblivion, better than Firewhisky; she was the only real thing in the world, Ginny, the feel of her, one hand at her back and one in her long, sweet-smelling hair -

DH, UK version, page 99 !

[Lennon]

- What could've Mrs. Weasley possibly given Hermione for her seventeenth birthday? And what is the traditional gift to witches when they come of age, anyway?

Good question. I would consider somthing like, a traditional necklace, piece of jewlery, family heirloom or maybe some fine china. I honestly couldn't tell you, but maybe somthing along those lines hard to know what would be a traditional gift like that.

- Why had Ron come back to Ginny's room?

He isn't a complete idiot, and having one sister who happens to be the youngest child, can tend to cause older family member, especially brothers to be protective. Also he kind of explained how he felt and why he did that in the yard right after this happened, said somthing like "I just don't want you jerking her around", he just didn't want Harry giving her mixed signals cause he had to break it off for his quest and such. Although he obviously would have rather remained in a relationship with her, this was clear enough.

-Does Charlie have long hair like Bill, too? Why was Mrs. Weasley forcing him to cut it?

My mom, always nags me to cut my hair when it gets a little longer than usual. My perception of this is, for one there is a wedding the in the near future and wants her son to look more "appropriate" however pony tails seems kind of common in the wizarding community. Second, I think that my mother just is looking for somthing to try and ask me to do like she had in the past so many times when I was actually living under her roof. Now its just kind of insticntive I think. haha.

- Why was Hermione 'confused' when Ron praised her?

I don't remember Ron complimimenting her very often in the past in the books. The undertones of his feelings were always apparent, but he never went so far as to praise her for such things, not often anyways, and not directly. In the past it seemed more subtle.

-Why had Hermione cried when she recieved the book?

She was obviously very fond of Dumbledore, even though they never had much of a direct relationship. But DD seemed to keep his distance from most students in general for that matter unless they required some sort of dialogue/interaction, with one exception of course.

-Was it mere coincedence that Mrs. Weasley had made Harry's cake a snitch?

I liked this part, especially when scrimgour questions harry about the shape of his cake. Hermiones sarcastic witty response, to all his questions and to that one in this scene were great, I am very looking forward to ", Yep, Dumbledores man through and through" for the first time in the films. But yes it was coincedence

Does that mean that a new snitch is created for every Hogwarts match?

I wouldn't think so no, if flesh memories are there they likely can be traced to whoever has touched it in the past. Dumbledore may have just kept that snitch specifically for sentimental purposes, or his master plan possibly, either way I would think that the school may use one or a few snitches for the year and replace them when need be. I can't imagine the snitches only recognize the catcher only one time, although it's possible. Would seem like a watse if that was the case. All those snitches in the trash? Harsh.

[merrymarge]

Luna mentioned that she told her father to wear dress robes, but he preferred "sun colors". Does that mean everyone was wearing black dress robes? Why? Weddings are happy times, people should wear bright colors.
I also wonder about Fred's comment about Uncle Bilius. "the one who downed a bottle of firewhiskey, ran out onto a dance floor and started bunches of flowers out of his--" Out of what? Where did the flowers come from?

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

One thing I wondered about in Chapter 7:

Was this really Charlie "sneaking off to regrow his hair"? If so, why did Charlie have to "sneak off" to do this? Would he have been disturbing Bill if he had stayed in the bedroom to regrow his hair (I can understand this, given Bill was getting married the following day)?

I wasn't convinced with Ron's assumption. I always thought it was Mrs. Weasley having a last check around the house before she got to bed. I thought she was making sure everything was neat, in order, etc. So the next day she'd have nothing to do except getting ready for the ceremony. I also suspected it was Mrs. Weasley, because she did the same thing in OOTP. When Harry and the others had something secret to discuss, she went to check if they were still awake and talking. So I thought in DH it was similar. She knew Harry and the other two had a lot to talk about, so I guess she wanted to make sure they get to bed early especially that the next day was the wedding. But apparently she didn't hear anything because of the spell Hermione had casted. So I think she assumed that they were asleep and so left to her room or wherever she used to sleep.

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

Also, why did Ron comment about Charlie "nervously"?

I think they all felt a bit nervous when they heard the disturbance. So Ron might have been worried that someone, maybe his mother would get into the room and see what they were doing

Originally Posted by MrSleepyHead

And, was I the only one who thought something was possibly going to come of the "something [that] creaked downstairs"? I half expected it to be a stowaway Death Eater, Rufus Scrimgeour, etc.

I didn't think of those possibilites. According to what we knew at this stage, the Burrow was very well protected. And I didn't doubt this protection.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Chapter Seven:
Why had Lupin and Tonks rushed off at the arrival of the Minister?

It's explained in the next chapter by Tonks that they had to leave because the Ministry was being 'very anti-werewolf' then. And they didn't want to cause Harry and the others trouble by there presence.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Was it mere coincedence that Mrs. Weasley had made Harry's cake a snitch?

In the previous books, Mrs. Weasley used to give Harry knitted jackets in Christmass with snitches. Because she knew about his fondness of Quidditch and that he was a great seeker. I don't think it had any other meanings, though.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Does that mean that a new snitch is created for every Hogwarts match?

I don't think so. It depends on whether or not seekers wear gloves. If they do; then the snitch wouldn't have flesh memories for any of them. So when Harry nearly 'swallowed' it was a coincidence that Harry had touched it and that it had flesh memory of Harry. So probably Dumbledore was the only one who'd noticed that and took advantage of this coincidence, by hiding the stone inside it.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

What might those faults be?

In DH we found out a lot about Dumbledore's secrets and past. Which contained some wrong deeds and dark ambitions. So Scrimgeour might've read or heard about Rita's book. Also he used to be in disagreement with Dumbledore on many matters. So probably he considered Dumbledore's point of view as 'faults' and 'mistakes'. Since Scrimgeour was introduced, I always had a feeling that he was that type of person who doesn't accept others' opinions and believes that his opinion is superior to other people's.

[Lennon]

Originally Posted by merrymarge

Luna mentioned that she told her father to wear dress robes, but he preferred "sun colors". Does that mean everyone was wearing black dress robes? Why? Weddings are happy times, people should wear bright colors.
I also wonder about Fred's comment about Uncle Bilius. "the one who downed a bottle of firewhiskey, ran out onto a dance floor and started bunches of flowers out of his--" Out of what? Where did the flowers come from?

Don't think everyone was wearing "dark" or depressing colors aside from Luna. Yes weddings are happy and should be celebrated, but how often do you see a man at a normal wedding dressed in a yellow, orange, red, purple, pink, green suit, unless its a dark tone. Darker tones are what usually work for a male who is dressing up in the muggle world unless you are just a very unique individual who expresses themselves as such. Which there is nothing wrong with (the only person I remember wearing any brightly colored robes in HP ever aside from dark blues, greens and black was Lockhart) therefore I would think the same goes for males in the wizarding world with dark colors. Females on the other hand well they have much more originality and vivid colors involved in thier wardrobe in all aspects of fashion. With the excpetion of the white suit, which just seems far too "miami vice" or "nash bridges" to me.

I am under the impression that it is unacceptable/bothersome for some to wear the same thing as the next female at an event, ie "I can't wear this piece of clothing cause that girl is wearing it too", correct me if I am wrong.

As for Uncle Bilius question, hard to know if you are seriously asking where he pulled the flowers from and you are not just joking... but here it is anyways, in that comment Fred makes he also says, "he downed a bottle of firewiskey, ran out onto the dance floor, hiked up his kilt (or somthing) and started pulling flowers out of his..." Well it's the place you go # 2 from, in the most appropriate manner of speaking. Thats what I always understood in that comment, which was very humorous.

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

What might those faults be?

Probably just his dissention and uncooperativeness with the Ministry.

[bellatrix93]

Chapter eight:

Why didn't the Weasleys give Harry suitable robes after he'd transformed?

What can wizards learn from the gnomes? Was it one of Lovegood's superstions?

Who dressed Fleur up for the wedding?

Why did Krum perform that spell on his thighs ?

I had a thought. If the Weasleys had invited the Lovegoods who lived nearby, Why didn't they invite the Diggorys?

How did Muriel find out all this information about Dumbledore's family?

If Muriel called Bathilda 'gaga', does that mean Voldemort had Nagini there in Godric's Hollow at that time?

[TreacleTartlet]

Originally Posted by merrymarge

Luna mentioned that she told her father to wear dress robes, but he preferred "sun colors". Does that mean everyone was wearing black dress robes? Why? Weddings are happy times, people should wear bright colors.

Probably most of the men would be wearing dark colours, much like Muggles would wear formal black, or grey suits at a wedding, but the women wore bright colours.

DH, The Wedding Brightly coloured figures were appearing, one by one out of nowhere at the distant boundary of the yard.

Hermione was dressed in lilac.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

What can wizards learn from the gnomes? Was it one of Lovegood's superstions?

I think this was just the Lovegoods being eccentric as usual.

Why did Krum perform that spell on his thighs ?

I don't think he actually performed a spell, but that the sparks were a reaction from him being wound up over seeing what he called Grindlewald's sign.

How did Muriel find out all this information about Dumbledore's family?

Probably rumours that circulated at the time. Also her mother was a friend of Bathilda Bagshot who was friendly with the Dumbledores. For example, Muriel learnt about Aberforth breaking Albus's nose as she listened at the door when Bathilda told her mother the story.

[fieldset=DH, The Wedding]'My mother was friendly with old Bathilda Bagshot,' said Auntie Muriel happily. 'Bathilda described the whole thing to Mother while I was listening at the door.'

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by TreacleTartlet

I don't think he actually performed a spell, but that the sparks were a reaction from him being wound up over seeing what he called Grindlewald's sign.

This is a possible explanation. It's also probable that he was agitated because Ron and Hermione were together, then. Although, I deduced from the text that he actually meant to perform a spell.

DH, Chapter 8: The Wedding. He drew his wand from inside his robe and tapped it menacingly on his thighs; sparks flew out of the end.

If those sparks were unintended; then why did he tap his wand? .

Another thought occured to me. Krum hinted that he wanted to dance with Ginny. Did he actually have a chance to ask her?