Read-a-Thon: GoF

[TreacleTartlet]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

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Another thought occured to me. Krum hinted that he wanted to dance with Ginny. Did he actually have a chance to ask her?

I think Harry put him off that idea.

DH, The Wedding 'This girl is very nice-looking,' Krum said, recalling Harry to his surroundings. Krum was pointing at Ginny, who had just joined Luna. ' She is also a relative of yours?' 'Yeah,' said Harry, suddenly irritated, 'and she's seeing someone. Jealous type. Big bloke You wouldn't want to cross him.' Krum grunted. 'Vot,' he said, draining his goblet and getting to his feet again, 'is the point of being an international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are taken?'

[Krums_Girl]

Was Krum always that "girl-crazy"? I don't remember him ever saying anything that would suggest that in GoF, other than to Hermione. He seems to be ready to dance with every good-looking girl there, while in GoF, he only had eyes for Hermione.

Do you think that he had always been, as I said, "girl crazy?" or did he finally get a big head from being a huge Quidditch star? It just seemed a bit out of character for him, from GoF to DH.

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by Krums_Girl

Was Krum always that "girl-crazy"? I don't remember him ever saying anything that would suggest that in GoF, other than to Hermione. He seems to be ready to dance with every good-looking girl there, while in GoF, he only had eyes for Hermione.

Do you think that he had always been, as I said, "girl crazy?" or did he finally get a big head from being a huge Quidditch star? It just seemed a bit out of character for him, from GoF to DH.

I didn't think of him as girl crazy, actually. I didn't read his actions as out of character or even different than GoF. When he first arrived at the wedding, he had eyes for no one except Hermione. Also he seemed to be following her. He joined the trio shortly after the dance had begun. Which makes me think that he had been planning on asking Hermione to dance once Harry had finished telling him about Lovegood. And he was 'momentarily distracted' when Ron took Hermione to dance. Actually, he doesn't start thinking of other girls before Harry tells him that Hermione and Ron have started dating. After he'd been told that, he asks about Ginny. I think he still had feelings for Hermione (if not as strong), but I wouldn't call him 'girl crazy' .

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Chapter eight:
Why didn't the Weasleys give Harry suitable robes after he'd transformed?

Perhaps they didn't have them? The Weasleys aren't the type of family to have spare robes just lying around the house to be used at a moment's notice.

Who dressed Fleur up for the wedding?

I assume Mrs. Weasley, Mrs. DeLacour, or both.

I had a thought. If the Weasleys had invited the Lovegoods who lived nearby, Why didn't they invite the Diggorys?

What was Amos's standing with the Ministry at the time? Perhaps he was too close to them to risk inviting?

If Muriel called Bathilda 'gaga', does that mean Voldemort had Nagini there in Godric's Hollow at that time?

I doubt it, I'm sure she was just going a bit senile in her old age. Besides, I don't think Voldemort would want to be separated from Nagini for such a long period of time, and he can't be hanging out at Godric's Hallow all the time.

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

This is a possible explanation. It's also probable that he was agitated because Ron and Hermione were together, then. Although, I deduced from the text that he actually meant to perform a spell.

It sounded to me like he was just trying to contain his anger. He had taken out his wand because he wanted to attack Luna's dad, but he knew it wasn't a good idea, and so just held onto it. I think the sparks were bits of uncontrolled magic that were feeding off of his anger. The tapping may have just been absent-minded.

[xhanax315]

Originally posted by Bellatrix93:
I had a thought. If the Weasleys had invited the Lovegoods who lived nearby, Why didn't they invite the Diggorys?

Perhaps they had moved away from the area or didn't want to socialize.

One question from chapter eight:
Who is the "tufty-haired wizard" who attended the wedding and Dumbledore's funeral?

Chapter Nine:
What's the theory behind memory charms?
Where could Ron stick his wand?
For the Trace to be put on a wizard, the spell caster has to be near the wizard? Does that mean if the Trace had still been left on Harry or placed back on him then someone would have to be there physically to do it?
Would Ron or Hermione have been able to unlock the doors to Grimmauld Place? Or was it only Harry because he was the new rightful owner? If so, how was Lupin able to get inside?
How was Harry able to close the curtains on Mrs. Black?

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

One question from chapter eight:
Who is the "tufty-haired wizard" who attended the wedding and Dumbledore's funeral?

The tufty haired wizard was the one who read the vows in Bill and Fleur's wedding. He was also the wizard who delivered the eulogy at Dumbledore's funeral.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Chapter Nine:
What's the theory behind memory charms?

If you mean the theory behind using it in the first place. It was the fact that the trio wanted to throw the DEs off their tail. Ron suggested to kill them. But Harry refused. So they performed memory charms on them instead. By wiping their memories, the DEs couldn't follow the trio.
If you mean what theory is the memory charm based on. Then, I think like other spells the memory charm requires for instance specific wand movements, to focus on a memory you want to plant in the victim's head, etc. I'm not sure what exactly does it require, though.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Where could Ron stick his wand?

I wondered about that too. . Possibly behind his ear, like Luna.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

For the Trace to be put on a wizard, the spell caster has to be near the wizard?
Does that mean if the Trace had still been left on Harry or placed back on him then someone would have to be there physically to do it?

According to Ron, the Trace couldn't be still on a 17 years old wizard. So I assume that if Harry still had it. Then someone's had to be there to place it back on him. In this case I believe actual presence is required.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Would Ron or Hermione have been able to unlock the doors to Grimmauld Place? Or was it only Harry because he was the new rightful owner? If so, how was Lupin able to get inside?

It could be anyone other than Harry. I think it was just a coincidence that Harry had opened it himself. But anyone who Dumbledore gave the secret in his life could get into the house. Because they all became secret keepers after his death. Which is the reason they were afraid Snape would come back with DEs.

Originally Posted by xhanax315

How was Harry able to close the curtains on Mrs. Black?

It's said that red sparks came out of his wand. So I assume it was a freezing charm that Harry had used. But I'm not sure if it causes a 'bang'.

[FlashMemory]

The impossible has happened. My sister has taken my copy of Deathly Hallows to Uni with her
Does anyone know of anywhere I can read it online, I really love this thread and want to keep posting in it but it sucks without having DH's for reference...

[bellatrix93]

Chapter nine:

What was the purpose behind the spells Mad eye had put for Snape? They seemed to be very weak.

Wasn't it supposed to be the snatchers who showed up when Voldemort's name was spoken? If not then why Dolohov and Rowle came when Hermione spoke his name?

[Krums_Girl]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Chapter nine:

What was the purpose behind the spells Mad eye had put for Snape? They seemed to be very weak.

good question. I have wondered this when I was reading. All it seemed to do was temporarily choke Snape and scare him half-to-death. Kind of tame punishments for the man who murdered Dumbledore.

And also, a related question; when you die, aren't all of the enchantments that you have put on people are things supposed to die as well? If so, why did Moody's enchantments stay in Grimmaulf Place after he died?

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Where could Ron stick his wand?

Same place Uncle Bilius pulled those flowers from.

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

The impossible has happened. My sister has taken my copy of Deathly Hallows to Uni with her
Does anyone know of anywhere I can read it online, I really love this thread and want to keep posting in it but it sucks without having DH's for reference...

I'm not sure about online, but is there a local library in your area that you can borrow the book from?

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

[b]What was the purpose behind the spells Mad eye had put for Snape? They seemed to be very weak.

I thought the same thing. Was there a deeper purpose to the tongue-tied spell? Does it prevent one from ever speaking of Grimmauld's location to others? As far as I know, the trio did nothing to stop the spell, so it must have stopped naturally, and then wouldn't have done much to Snape. And I don't understand the purpose of the Dumbledore dust-figure. Was that supposed to scare him?

Wasn't it supposed to be the snatchers who showed up when Voldemort's name was spoken? If not then why Dolohov and Rowle came when Hermione spoke his name?

Perhaps it's just anyone working under Voldemort.

Originally Posted by Krums_Girl

And also, a related question; when you die, aren't all of the enchantments that you have put on people are things supposed to die as well? If so, why did Moody's enchantments stay in Grimmaulf Place after he died?

I think it's a little different with Moody. Dumbledore's spell on Harry, for example, was lifted the instant he died. But I think that Moody's spells remained because they were not affecting living people, and thus didn't need his magic to be sustained.

[FlashMemory]

I'm not sure about online, but is there a local library in your area that you can borrow the book from?

Good idea, although I just feel slightly disconcerted that I don't have it there for reference the whole time.

I thought the same thing. Was there a deeper purpose to the tongue-tied spell? Does it prevent one from ever speaking of Grimmauld's location to others? As far as I know, the trio did nothing to stop the spell, so it must have stopped naturally, and then wouldn't have done much to Snape. And I don't understand the purpose of the Dumbledore dust-figure. Was that supposed to scare him?

I got the impression this was just to scare him. I thought that the tounge tying spell was designed tostop Snape talking about Grimmauld Place, I'm not sure about this and I don't have the quote but I remember it being mentioned somewhere that Moodys spell would stop Snape talking. Maybe I completely misinterpreted that though..

And also, a related question; when you die, aren't all of the enchantments that you have put on people are things supposed to die as well? If so, why did Moody's enchantments stay in Grimmaulf Place after he died?

I agree with witchsmart, the enchantment was on some dust so I see no reason that it shouldn't continue to act in the same way. There are other objects that have been enchanted and continue to work after the caster of the spells death, ie the sorting hat, or the deluminator..

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by witchsmart

I thought the same thing. Was there a deeper purpose to the tongue-tied spell? Does it prevent one from ever speaking of Grimmauld's location to others? As far as I know, the trio did nothing to stop the spell, so it must have stopped naturally, and then wouldn't have done much to Snape. And I don't understand the purpose of the Dumbledore dust-figure. Was that supposed to scare him?

From what I understood, the second spell was lifted when Harry said; 'We didn't kill you'. So I assume the way to lift Moody's spells was stating that they were not Snape. IIRC, the same thing happened when Lupin came at Grimauld Place. He spoke and said that he's not Snape and so the spell was lifted.

Hermione had said that the first spell was a Tongue Tying curse. If that was true, then again I don't understand the reason behind tying Snape's tongue at this stage. He could probably have spoken the secret before even visiting the house. Also I'm sure that Snape was capable of producing a counter curse for tongue tying curse. I can only think that they (The Order)didn't bother putting powerful jinxes because they would've no longer used the place as head-quarters.
As for the dust figure, I think there's more to it than simply 'scaring' Snape. Probably it strangles the victim? It didn't harm Harry and the others. Which makes me think that somehow Moody's spells only worked against Snape.. .

Originally Posted by witchsmart

I think it's a little different with Moody. Dumbledore's spell on Harry, for example, was lifted the instant he died. But I think that Moody's spells remained because they were not affecting living people, and thus didn't need his magic to be sustained.

Also because the full body bind curse's effect normally fades after a bit. IIRC, in OOTP when Hermione (or Harry) hit a DE (Dolohov?) with that curse, the effect faded after a bit and the DE cursed Hermione.
Someone pointed out that the effect of some spells doesn't go by the death of its caster. For instance, the Permanent sticking charm doesn't stop working after the death of the person who casted it. So probably the reason the Fidelius charm was affected by Dumbledore's death was that he himself was a part of it. He was an important factor in the efficiency of the spell.

[xhanax315]

Chapter Ten:

• Was Sirius' motorbike an ordinary Muggle motorcycle enhanced to fly?
• Why was the door to Regulus' room locked? Hadn't Hermione said she had been in the other rooms when looking for Harry? It also says that the room had also been searched once the trio had entered.
• Had all those dangerous items we seen in OOTP placed by Regulus?
• Where had Kreacher apparated from when Harry called for him?
• Wouldn't Lord Voldemort have been able to remove the potion without it being drank? Why had he put the basin there without making the horcrux first?
• Why was Regulus worried when Kreacher had arrived back from the cave?
• Why was Regulus "disturbed" when they went to switch the lockets, and how had he found out about what Lord Voldemort had created?
• Why had Regulus turned against Lord Voldemort? Would any of the other Death Eaters have turned against him if they knew his secret?

I'm sure there's lots of speculation with these questions, but I'd really like to know what you all think.....

[TreacleTartlet]

Originally Posted by xhanax315

Chapter Ten:
Was Sirius' motorbike an ordinary Muggle motorcycle enhanced to fly?

Yes, I think it was, as Sirius had pictures of Muggle motorcyles on his bedroom wall.

Had all those dangerous items we seen in OOTP placed by Regulus?

I don't think so, as it seems the Blacks were into collecting dark items.

OotP,The Noble and Most Ancient House of Black 'Well, Molly, I'm pretty sure this is a Boggart,' said Sirius, peering through the keyhole, 'but perhaps we ought to let Mad-Eye have a shifty at it before we let it out -knowing my mother, it could be something much worse.

Where had Kreacher apparated from when Harry called for him?

Probably from another part of the house.

Wouldn't Lord Voldemort have been able to remove the potion without it being drank? Why had he put the basin there without making the horcrux first?

Maybe he wanted to test the potion to see that it worked, which would explain why he took Kreacher with him and made him drink the potion.

Why was Regulus worried when Kreacher had arrived back from the cave?

I think when Kreacher told him what happened in the cave, his suspicions were aroused that Voldemort had made a Horcrux. As it would be an explanation as to why Voldemort go to such lengths to protect a locket.

Why was Regulus "disturbed" when they went to switch the lockets, and how had he found out about what Lord Voldemort had created?

He could have been disturbed about what he was just about to do. Coming from a family like the Blacks and being a DE, I imagine it is probable that Regulus had heard all about Horcruxes and put two and two together.

[Chikibun]

I've only just now caught up after reading up to Chapter nine, so my thoughts may be a bit scatterbrained and may have also been mentioned before~

I find it interesting in the first chapter, The Dark Lord Ascending, that when Voldemort gazes into Snape's eyes. . I guess to see if he's telling the truth, everyone looks away of course. But Snape appears so calm which makes me think he must be extremely confident in his Occulemency (sp?) skills. It makes me wonder who even taught him such a skill - and why the other Death Eaters, who can't even look in Voldemort's direction at times, would not try to develop a skill like that.

The chapter focuses on Draco a bit too, who wasn't even alive through much of the first war - I would assume it was easy for him to go on about his pure blood views when Voldemort was not in power, but it seems interesting to me that he can barely handle looking at the Muggle studies teacher, who was bound by Voldemort, even though she stands for all that he's been against his whole life. But he had no problem insulting someone for their blood status during his time in school. It just goes to show that -saying- certain things and making sure your views on how certain people, like muggle-borns, should be dealt with is much different from seeing your previous wishes and words in action.

Again focusing on Draco, he witnessed the killing of the Muggle studies teacher which I can only assume was a very short time after he'd witness the killing of Dumbledore. He's had to deal with more death in a short amount of time than even Harry. As Harry saw Cedric die and year passed before he saw death again - But Draco see's the death of Dumbledore and barely any time passes until he witnesses another. It show's that even though both Draco and Harry have witnessed death, it's in almost an entirely different way.

Harry watched Cedric, who he see's as an innocent, killed by someone who is an enemy. Draco witnesses the death of Dumbledore at the hands of a teacher, who in the past he admired but had since been turned into a rival or an enemy in other words. But Dumbledore is not an innocent to Draco's eyes at this time, he see's him as someone who -must- die in order for he and his family to live. While Cedric is killed for no reason at all, just because he was a -spare-.

It's also interesting to take note of the time between the deaths that each boy has seen. Harry sees Cedric die than a year later sees the death of Sirius. Which could have easily been prevented if certain circumstances had been altered.

But for Draco that's not the case. He was pushed into a situation that no matter what he did he would witness death one way or the other, either being his family or Dumbledore. And even after seeing Dumbledore killed there was no way he could have made it so he wouldn't see the death again. Unlike with Harry, people tried to make it so he didn't have to be in a situation that was dangerous and could cause the death of another. But for Draco, being raised as the son of the Malfoys who were followers of Voldemort, death would be common place once he was in power. So while Harry had those who loved him trying to protect him from something so awful - Draco's parents raised him to be in a lifestyle where seeing the death of "mudbloods" and "muggles" and "blood traitors" would be the norm.

I let my thoughts get away with me a bit ( on ONLY the first chapter ) but I found the whole thought very interesting and it stuck with me for some time.

For the second chapter, In Memoriam, some quick thoughts. I wonder if J.K Rowling felt it necessary to include certain chapters about Dumbledore's past because it hadn't been explored much in the previous books. Not that I mind all too much but I can't help but wonder if it was a conscious decision to leave the previous books vague about Dumbledore's life and leave it all until the very end.

Secondly, after Harry read's the Rita Skeeter article which says that Harry and Dumbledore's relationship was " unhealthy, even sinister.. ". Harry becomes upset and yells out " Lies! ", so loudly that a neighbor can hear him. After that Harry see's a flash of brightest blue, which we now know would be Dumbledore's brother looking through the other mirror. I finally get that this wasn't a random occurence Alberforth would have course have heard Harry yell out. . seeing as it was enchanted so that you could speak to the person holding the other mirror.

Since I've said almost too much that's all for now

[Jonny Boy]

What was the purpose behind the spells Mad eye had put for Snape? They seemed to be very weak.

I believe that once you have the tounge-tying curse on you, you cannot reveal whatever information it is that someone doesn't want revealed (in this case the location of the house). I think this lasts permanently. And most likely Dumbledore attacks you if you don't say you didn't kill him.

Wasn't it supposed to be the snatchers who showed up when Voldemort's name was spoken? If not then why Dolohov and Rowle came when Hermione spoke his name?

Perhaps they hadn't had the chance to get snatchers organized yet, seeing it hadn't even been a day since the Ministry had fallen.

For the Trace to be put on a wizard, the spell caster has to be near the wizard? Does that mean if the Trace had still been left on Harry or placed back on him then someone would have to be there physically to do it?

I think the trace just happens automatically when a magical child is born, much like their name going down in the Hogwarts register.

[bellatrix93]

Was Sirius' motorbike an ordinary Muggle motorcycle enhanced to fly?
Yes, I believe it was. Which is probably why Mr. Weasley had shown such great interest in it.

Why was the door to Regulus' room locked? Hadn't Hermione said she had been in the other rooms when looking for Harry? It also says that the room had also been searched once the trio had entered.
Hermione said; Every room I looked into on my way up here had been disturbed. So I think she hadn't checked Regulus' room before finding Harry in Sirius' room.

Had all those dangerous items we seen in OOTP placed by Regulus?
I don't think so really. If Regulus wanted Kreacher to protect the locket, he'd have asked him to place powerful enchantments on it and not grandfather-arrow-throwing clocks. There were different and unharmful stuff in that cupboard, as well. For instance there was an Order of Merlin, iirc. Also this cupboard was in the Drawing room, so I assume different family members kept their stuff there.

Where had Kreacher apparated from when Harry called for him?
Hogwarts, I think. Harry had ordered him to stay there since he'd inherited him in HBP.
Why was Regulus worried when Kreacher had arrived back from the cave?
I understood that he was worried when he'd heard Kreacher's story. If he'd truley liked his elf, then its normal to feel worried about him. He'd nearly died in that cave.

Why was Regulus "disturbed" when they went to switch the lockets, and how had he found out about what Lord Voldemort had created?

I don't understand how he'd known about the Locket either. Probably, he knew about it when Kreacher had told him the story for the first time when he came from the cave?

Why had Regulus turned against Lord Voldemort? Would any of the other Death Eaters have turned against him if they knew his secret?

I think Regulus turned against Voldemort because of his abuse to Kreacher. I think when Regulus volunteered his elf, he hadn't expected Voldemort to use it in such a cruel way. As for other DEs, I don't think they'd have turned against him for such a reason. As they were too terrified of him, not to mention that there was no love to motivate them. Unlike Regulus who acted out of his love to the house elf.
-.-.-.-.-.
Chapter 10:
- Had Dung nicked any of Sirius' stuff when the latter was alive?

- What could've Snape been looking for in Regulus' room? And in the rest of the house?

- Why had Dung stole Bella's and Cissy's drawings? Who'd want to buy them and why?

- I'm wondering why had Voldemort used a house elf in the cave instead of a useless DE or even a random wizard, muggle, etc. Why an elf in particular?

- Was the boat enchanted to carry two people. Or as Dumbledore suggested was enchanted to carry people according to their skill?

[FlashMemory]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

- I'm wondering why had Voldemort used a house elf in the cave instead of a useless DE or even a random wizard, muggle, etc. Why an elf in particular?

- Was the boat enchanted to carry two people. Or as Dumbledore suggested was enchanted to carry people according to their skill?

I think the second question can answer the first. I think the boat was enchanted to only be able to carry two qualified wizards to limit the chance of escape after drinking the potion. Therefore, Voldmort took Kreacher so as not to go over this limit. Doesn't answer why he didn't take a muggle, maybe taking Kreacker was just easier.

[witchsmart]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

Had Dung nicked any of Sirius' stuff when the latter was alive?

I'm sure he did. Didn't he slip a silver goblet into his pocket during dinner once?

What could've Snape been looking for in Regulus' room? And in the rest of the house?

Had Snape been in Regulus' room? I thought he just stopped at Sirius's after he found the letter. As to why, perhaps he was searching for something at Dumbledore's request?

Why had Dung stole Bella's and Cissy's drawings? Who'd want to buy them and why?

I imagine Dung was just trying to get his hands on whatever he could.

Originally Posted by FlashMemory

[/b]
I think the second question can answer the first. I think the boat was enchanted to only be able to carry two qualified wizards to limit the chance of escape after drinking the potion. Therefore, Voldmort took Kreacher so as not to go over this limit. Doesn't answer why he didn't take a muggle, maybe taking Kreacker was just easier.

Perhaps taking a house elf from one of his Death Eaters would cause less attention than kidnapping a muggle who would probably go into shock before they even got to the basin.

[padfootmarauder]

About the Trace: Is it like every magical wizard/witch who is born automatically has it on them until the time they turn 17 or is it that someone comes from the Ministry comes and places it on you? I didnt get that. I got the impression that it was the first.
WHen MAd eye placed the spell on Grimmauld Place, did'nt he expect to be around?
I'd really like to know how Regulus found out about the Horcruxes (even Bella didnt know) or even knew about them for that matter, it does'nt seem to be common knowledge does it?