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I seem to remember at the Yule Ball in GoF when Padma Patil got mad at Ron and left to find her sister Parvati, who at that time was dancing with a boy from Beauxbatons, Harry notices that the Beauxatons boy 'conjures up one of his friends to join them so fast that he could have sworn he had zoomed him there with a Summoning Charm.'

In all probability, the Beauxbatons boy actually did use a Summoning Charm. Hence, I would say yes, you can summon humans.
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I seem to remember at the Yule Ball in GoF when Padma Patil got mad at Ron and left to find her sister Parvati, who at that time was dancing with a boy from Beauxbatons, Harry notices that the Beauxatons boy 'conjures up one of his friends to join them so fast that he could have sworn he had zoomed him there with a Summoning Charm.'

In all probability, the Beauxbatons boy actually did use a Summoning Charm. Hence, I would say yes, you can summon humans.
Are you sure that's not just an expression, as CrimsonZephyr suggested? If people could Summon other people, then Voldemort should have just tried to "Accio, Harry Potter" from the start. It would also make it rather difficult for crimminals to escape if they could just be "accio'd" back to Azkaban. I think that when Harry tried to "accio" Hagrid, it was a desparate and illogical attempt to find him and make sure that he was still alive. Just my opinion though.


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Are you sure that's not just an expression, as CrimsonZephyr suggested? If people could Summon other people, then Voldemort should have just tried to "Accio, Harry Potter" from the start. It would also make it rather difficult for crimminals to escape if they could just be "accio'd" back to Azkaban. I think that when Harry tried to "accio" Hagrid, it was a desparate and illogical attempt to find him and make sure that he was still alive. Just my opinion though.
I don't think wizards and witches can be Accio'd...


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Are you sure that's not just an expression, as CrimsonZephyr suggested? If people could Summon other people, then Voldemort should have just tried to "Accio, Harry Potter" from the start. It would also make it rather difficult for crimminals to escape if they could just be "accio'd" back to Azkaban. I think that when Harry tried to "accio" Hagrid, it was a desparate and illogical attempt to find him and make sure that he was still alive. Just my opinion though.
I agree with you. But I think (and correct me if I'm mistaken) that when summoning something you need to know where it is. Voldemort doesn't usually know where Harry is, not to mention that he was usually under protection. Also the prisoners couldn't be summoned back because no one knows exactly where they are. But I agree with you. It seemed that Harry's attempt was just a desperate attempt to save his friend.


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I agree with you. But I think (and correct me if I'm mistaken) that when summoning something you need to know where it is. Voldemort doesn't usually know where Harry is, not to mention that he was usually under protection. Also the prisoners couldn't be summoned back because no one knows exactly where they are. But I agree with you. It seemed that Harry's attempt was just a desperate attempt to save his friend.


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What is the general thought as to what Tom Riddle actually did to Amy and Dennis when he took them into the cave while on holiday from the orphanage? Torture and then memory erase? Something else? What could an untrained, non-wand bearing wizard have done that would both terrify kids and keep them from telling authorities?
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What is the general thought as to what Tom Riddle actually did to Amy and Dennis when he took them into the cave while on holiday from the orphanage? Torture and then memory erase? Something else? What could an untrained, non-wand bearing wizard have done that would both terrify kids and keep them from telling authorities?
I think it doesn't necessarily depend on how much trained the young wizard/witch is. When Petunia cut Harry's hair in a ridiculous way he was able to grow it back without a wand. Something, I believe he couldn't do after several years of magical education. And according to what Tom told Dumbledore at the orphanage, he could torture or 'do bad things' to those who bothered him. I'm not sure what exactly he'd done to those kids, though. It's been said that the cave was a scary place. So probably he took them there to scare them? To Voldemort this would be highly enjoyable and amusing.


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Oh, good point about what Harry did before he knew he was a wizard, Bellatrix93. I never thought about that. Since Riddle's impulses were so evil, even as a child, it makes sense he'd do unintentional dark magic. Thanks.
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What do you think Hermione did as a child?


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What do you think Hermione did as a child?
Good question! I think she probably went to a private school, got good grades and lived a normal childhood, along with the little magical things she could do!


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Or perhaps that was simply figurative language.
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Are you sure that's not just an expression, as CrimsonZephyr suggested? If people could Summon other people, then Voldemort should have just tried to "Accio, Harry Potter" from the start. It would also make it rather difficult for crimminals to escape if they could just be "accio'd" back to Azkaban. I think that when Harry tried to "accio" Hagrid, it was a desparate and illogical attempt to find him and make sure that he was still alive. Just my opinion though.
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I agree with you. But I think (and correct me if I'm mistaken) that when summoning something you need to know where it is. Voldemort doesn't usually know where Harry is, not to mention that he was usually under protection. Also the prisoners couldn't be summoned back because no one knows exactly where they are. But I agree with you. It seemed that Harry's attempt was just a desperate attempt to save his friend.


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What do you think Hermione did as a child?
Here's a thread discussing your question.
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When Harry and Dumbledore went horcrux hunting in the cave, Dumbledore asks Harry to try to summon the horcrux when Harry suggested it. Do you think there was any particular reason for Dumbledore to make Harry do it or am I just reading too much into it ?
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When Harry and Dumbledore went horcrux hunting in the cave, Dumbledore asks Harry to try to summon the horcrux when Harry suggested it. Do you think there was any particular reason for Dumbledore to make Harry do it or am I just reading too much into it ?
I think Dumbledore just wanted Harry to get some hands on experience. He wanted him to realize how dangerous and effective Voldemort's protection charms are so he could know what's waiting for him, what he'd be facing.


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What is the general thought as to what Tom Riddle actually did to Amy and Dennis when he took them into the cave while on holiday from the orphanage? Torture and then memory erase? Something else? What could an untrained, non-wand bearing wizard have done that would both terrify kids and keep them from telling authorities?
Perhaps he showed them the inferi?
In the HBP film they could've done this story more nasty. My idea: When they were at the seaside the children could've disappeared. Only the half of them were found, including Tom Riddle. So Mrs. Cole blamed Tom for this but she had no evidence. If only Tom had returned it would be suspicious. So Tom only showed the cave to some of them. What happened to them then? Tom had learnt some very dark magic and he made them into inferi. That way the scene in the cave would be even more terrifying. But he was too little to do such things when he was eleven. He could've done it after he got information about the horcruxes. What a mean idea I got...


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But Voldemort didn't know what Inferi were when he was that age. He didn't even know he was a wizard then. Mrs Cole tells Dumbledore about that before Dumbledore tells Voldemort what he is. Good theory, but I don't think he did anything with Inferi.

Maybe he inflicted pain upon them. Remember what he said? "I can make them hurt if I want too".


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Maybe he used magic do some freaky trick with the water.


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Perhaps. Or maybe we aren't supposed to know what he did?


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Or maybe we aren't supposed to know what he did?
You are probably right there. Anyway we were never told.

Which means further speculation doesn't belong in this thread.


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I just started re-reading the series again, and noticed something. In the movie version of PS, Quirrel refuses to shake hands with Harry in the Leaky Cauldron and then we see Harry burn his face in the end.

In the book version, Harry does shake hands with Quirrel to no ill effect yet the ending still plays out the same. How is this explained?

(EDIT: I'm looking for why Harry can touch him in the beginning of the book but not at the end, not why the movie and book are different.)

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