Little Questions Answered v.18

[snapes_witch]

Originally Posted by MiracleNye

the conceptive spell? does it have a name?

Just a little research for muy story "Sorry love Daddy"

If I'm not confused about your intent, perhaps fertility would be a better word to use.

[cardinalguy]

Originally Posted by snapes_witch

If I'm not confused about your intent, perhaps fertility would be a better word to use.

One of us is, because I thought she meant contraceptive.

[merrymarge]

how about a love potion? sorry if this isn't what you are talking about.

should Dumbledore told Harry more about his plan? Or maybe he should have told Snape?

[BurrowGhoul]

I wonder. If Harry had had too long to think about what he had to do, would he have been able to go through with it?

[snapes_witch]

Originally Posted by cardinalguy

One of us is, because I thought she meant contraceptive.

Oh yes, I see. Her second message said 'to stop conception'.

[MiracleNye]

Originally Posted by Kat_Suki

Like willfitz said, there's no spell mentioned as such in HP. As for informatio, that's more like for "outline, concept, idea" and not at all what you're talking about. What you're thinking of is more like:

Latin contra = against
Latin conceptus/concipere/conceptio/conceptionem = concieve/conception

FYI, if this is for a fanfic you're writing please be aware of the fanfic policy and it's PG-13 guidelines for this fansite.

The film of Deathly Hallows Part 1 ended with Voldemort getting the Elder Wand; that happened at the end of chapter 24 in the Deathly Hallows book: "The Wandmaker".

cheers
the fanfic wont be on here. it's only fanfiction.net

Originally Posted by cardinalguy

One of us is, because I thought she meant contraceptive.

yep that is what i was loking for. my spelling suxs

[kala_way]

Does anyone recall if Ted Tonks had already gone on the run when Teddy was born? Or would he have been around? I'm forgetting the timeline.

[snugglepot]

Originally Posted by kala_way

Does anyone recall if Ted Tonks had already gone on the run when Teddy was born? Or would he have been around? I'm forgetting the timeline.

Unfortunately, Ted was killed by Deatheaters before his grandson was born.
The Trio heard about his death on Potterwatch.
Poor Andromeda! She lost her husband, daughter and son-in-law and was left to bring up her grandson.
Doesn't seem fair, especially, when those ghastly Malfoys all survived!

[kala_way]

Originally Posted by snugglepot

Unfortunately, Ted was killed by Deatheaters before his grandson was born.
The Trio heard about his death on Potterwatch.
Poor Andromeda! She lost her husband, daughter and son-in-law and was left to bring up her grandson.
Doesn't seem fair, especially, when those ghastly Malfoys all survived!

Okay, thanks! Yea, I think Andromeda got a bad lot.
I remembered all the facts just not when they fell into place.

[Harry23]

Something I don't understand about Ted is why didn't they put a fidelius charm on the house so the DE couldnt find Ted? It just doesn't make sense to me why he would leave his wife and pregnant daughter and go on the run instead of just putting protective charms around the house. Surely they needed them anyway since Bellatrix wanted to kill Tonks so much.

[BurrowGhoul]

Originally Posted by Harry23

Something I don't understand about Ted is why didn't they put a fidelius charm on the house so the DE couldnt find Ted? It just doesn't make sense to me why he would leave his wife and pregnant daughter and go on the run instead of just putting protective charms around the house. Surely they needed them anyway since Bellatrix wanted to kill Tonks so much.

That just brings up another "Little Question" for me-- how does one end a Fidelius charm? So far, all we've seen are ones that end in death.

[willfitz]

Originally Posted by BurrowGhoul

That just brings up another "Little Question" for me-- how does one end a Fidelius charm? So far, all we've seen are ones that end in death.

It is, I suppose, very possible that one cannot end a Fidelius Charm, hence its apparent underuse.

[RemusLupinFan]

Originally Posted by willfitz

It is, I suppose, very possible that one cannot end a Fidelius Charm, hence its apparent underuse.

Another possibility could be to let the secret become common knowledge. If lots of people know it, then perhaps the charm is rendered virtually ineffectual.

[bellatrix93]

Originally Posted by BurrowGhoul

That just brings up another "Little Question" for me-- how does one end a Fidelius charm? So far, all we've seen are ones that end in death.

I think what Willfitz and RLF mentioned is possible, but what about Finite Incantatem? Isn't it supposed to end the effect of other spells?

[wolfbrother]

Originally Posted by bellatrix93

I think what Willfitz and RLF mentioned is possible, but what about Finite Incantatem? Isn't it supposed to end the effect of other spells?

IMO the Fidelius charm is too complicated a charm to be removed just by a simple spell.

I think there is a way for the Fidelius Charm to be removed. A complicated reverse process of the charm I suppose. Its too problematic otherwise.

Grimmauld Place is fine because when Dumbledore died, all the people he told became secret keepers and they could spread it.
Shell Cottage wouldn't work that way. Bill would have tell each and every person personally who wanted to visit him.

[SeekerOSnitches]

Originally Posted by wolfbrother

Grimmauld Place is fine because when Dumbledore died, all the people he told became secret keepers and they could spread it.
Shell Cottage wouldn't work that way. Bill would have tell each and every person personally who wanted to visit him.

A way to look at this is that the Fidelius Charm makes a wizards whereabouts unknown. They may entrust one person (typically) with the secret, and that one person alone possesses the knowledge. With the Potter's home, they did this because they were aware they were being hunted. Their goal was to stay in hiding until Voldemort was vanquished, which, when looking back, would have been relatively impossible. When it comes down to it, nothing would have stopped him at this point from finding out where they were.
With Grimmauld Place, Dumbledore entrusted each person separately. The charm was never broken, it was just passed on to others. They are no longer tied to Dumbledore, but to each other, whereas the secret lies within them still. If they choose to tell other people individually, then those who are told may enter the chosen place.
I do not believe the Fidelius charm is ever truly "broken". It is simply made null by the spreading of the knowledge from secret-keeper to others. A secret is a secret until more than those it was meant for are aware. Then it is simply a piece of information.

First post! Go Team!

[mysterious]

Originally Posted by SeekerOSnitches

I do not believe the Fidelius charm is ever truly "broken". It is simply made null by the spreading of the knowledge from secret-keeper to others. A secret is a secret until more than those it was meant for are aware. Then it is simply a piece of information.

But do you think that is practical? I mean everytime you have to visit someone who had been protected by a secret you have to re-iterate the lines mentally that would reveal the place. Also people who are not in on the secret can't visit you at all.

If I remember correctly the Fidelus Charm at Potter's was broken because Harry and Hermione were able to view the house on their visit to Godric Hollow, and the people who placed the notice in front of the house also knew where to find it. So it is very likely that a strong counter charm, just like the explosion that destroyed Voldemort, could throw off the Fidelus Charm completely. Rather I would like to think of it as the house that was being protected getting damaged removes the charm. For I am quite sure that Peter didn't go back to remove the charm if there was a counter spell to remove it.

[SeekerOSnitches]

Originally Posted by mysterious

But do you think that is practical? I mean everytime you have to visit someone who had been protected by a secret you have to re-iterate the lines mentally that would reveal the place. Also people who are not in on the secret can't visit you at all.

If I remember correctly the Fidelus Charm at Potter's was broken because Harry and Hermione were able to view the house on their visit to Godric Hollow, and the people who placed the notice in front of the house also knew where to find it. So it is very likely that a strong counter charm, just like the explosion that destroyed Voldemort, could throw off the Fidelus Charm completely. Rather I would like to think of it as the house that was being protected getting damaged removes the charm. For I am quite sure that Peter didn't go back to remove the charm if there was a counter spell to remove it.

Addressing the first part, no it is not practical. Thus why it was such a powerful charm. The point is that this is put into place for some of the highest protection possible. So repeating a simple line every time would not be a major issue.
As for your second point, I agree to an extent. "Charm" is being used to lightly here. What happened with Voldemort was something that had never happened before, and most definitely wasn't a charm. Extreme magical situations, which I feel like is what you were going for here, are enough to break a charm as powerful as Fidelius, as they are only able to be performed by someone as powerful as Voldemort.

Though I will say in this case that it seems as if this is one of those situations where our knowledge is strictly on what we are given in the books, which in turn, is not enough to adequately explain the situation.

However, your points are valid and I see what you meant.

[Alastor]

Time to move this discussion over to The Fidelius charm - how it works and where it can be used.

[Janm20]

New question: what actually happened on the night Voldie killed the Potters. I'm losing it on some points.
1) Voldie AK's James
2) Voldie AK's Lily
3) Voldie tried to AK Harry, but spell rebounces, because of mother protection. (?)
4) Voldie is hit by his own AK
5) Voldies soul (what's remaining in himself at least) splits in two
6) one part attaches itself to baby Harry
7) the other part escapes?
8) At the same time house explodes etc.

If it worked like this, was the rebound spell still a real AK? Because then Voldie would have just died. The other part of his soul would just 'die'. But it didn't, since it roamed Albania living in animals and stuff. (Y'know )

That brings me to my second question: how do horcruxes make you (semi-)'immortal'? if one has a horcrux, but gets killed, does the piece of the soul in the horcrux escape? what happens? Did this also happen with Voldie? From which horcrux did the piece of soul escape then?

Sorry for the load of questions... Hopefully you know! Thanks in advance.