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Old November 28th, 2010, 3:30 pm
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Re: Little Questions Answered v.18

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If it worked like this, was the rebound spell still a real AK? Because then Voldie would have just died. The other part of his soul would just 'die'. But it didn't, since it roamed Albania living in animals and stuff. (Y'know
The way I understand it, Voldemort didn't 'just die' because he had Horcruxes. That's why he turned to something less than a ghost and still existed, even though his body was no longer 'valid' (because of the curse).

I think you summed up what happened that night, correctly.


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What did magical chilredn do for school before Hogwarts? Were they all homeschooled? Or were their smaller schools dotted over Britain for them to attend?

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What did magical chilredn do for school before Hogwarts? Were they all homeschooled? Or were their smaller schools dotted over Britain for them to attend?

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There were prob schools all over britain. Schools that would help them with their english, math, reading, and the tiniest bit of history. You do need all of those subjects to understand whats going on in the world.

There was prob a lot of homeschooling to, I feel like purebloods would be the kind that would make their kids homeschooled. I also feel like the Weaselys were Homeschooled just cause they prob werent able to afford the school.


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If it worked like this, was the rebound spell still a real AK? Because then Voldie would have just died. The other part of his soul would just 'die'. But it didn't, since it roamed Albania living in animals and stuff. (Y'know )
No, the soul without the body couldn't die and pass on as it was being artificially held here via the Horcruxes.

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That brings me to my second question: how do horcruxes make you (semi-)'immortal'? if one has a horcrux, but gets killed, does the piece of the soul in the horcrux escape? what happens? Did this also happen with Voldie? From which horcrux did the piece of soul escape then?
Basically, the body is the natural container of the soul, but Voldemort had made multiple unnatural containers for his soul fragments and until all of them were destroyed he was tethered to life. The body can be physically maimed and even physically killed/destroyed, but the soul fragment is anchored to the earthly plain via those artificial containers.

Think of the Horcruxes as anchors or mooring lines, preventing that final soul fragment from going on to "the next great adventure". The Horcruxes and the artificially housed soul fragments must be destroyed first - the lines cut - and then the final soul fragment can -drift free - die.

This is hardly a little question, though. I'd try this thread for further questions: Questions about Horcruxes


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Re: Little Questions Answered v.18

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If it worked like this, was the rebound spell still a real AK? Because then Voldie would have just died. The other part of his soul would just 'die'. But it didn't, since it roamed Albania living in animals and stuff. (Y'know )
As Hermione tells us in DH, killing a person does nothing to kill the soul. The soul which resides in a normal body would remain untouched, but would "move on" to the limbo where Harry meets Dumbledore, then either manifest itself in the form of a ghost or further "move on" (whatever that means).

Thus, no matter what killed Voldemort (and it does appear that it was the rebounding AK, just like in the final duel), his soul would leave his body untouched.
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That brings me to my second question: how do horcruxes make you (semi-)'immortal'? if one has a horcrux, but gets killed, does the piece of the soul in the horcrux escape? what happens? Did this also happen with Voldie? From which horcrux did the piece of soul escape then?
The general idea seems to be that the Horcrux is a sort of anchor for your living soul to the living world. As long as that Horcrux exists in the living world, your soul cannot leave.

However, as Hermione goes on to say in that exact same passage in DH, a Horcrux is the exact opposite of a human in regards to the soul. When you destroy a Horcrux, the piece of soul therein actually does cease to exist, and thus the anchor is gone. Therefore, by killing all of the Horcruxes, it made Voldemort mortal again, as his living soul was free to leave the living world for all eternity.

EDIT: I see that Kat_Suki beat me to the punch!


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What did magical chilredn do for school before Hogwarts? Were they all homeschooled? Or were their smaller schools dotted over Britain for them to attend?

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According to Rowling, most magical families chose to home-school their children.
FAQWhat education do the children of wizards have before going to Hogwarts?

They are, as many of you have guessed, most often home educated. With very young children, as you glimpsed at the wizards' camp before the Quidditch World Cup in 'Goblet of Fire', there is the constant danger that they will use magic, whether inadvertently or deliberately; they cannot be trusted to keep their true abilities hidden. Even Muggle-borns like Harry attract a certain amount of unwelcome attention at Muggle schools by re-growing their hair overnight and so on.


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What matters is not the length of the wand, but the magic in the stick.

"So that doesn't clear anything up but it elucidates what I believe. But I don't think it's necessarily going to convince people who have a strong feeling, one way or the other, on the matter. You know what, that's been the case with most of "Harry Potter". I gave my explanation and it just fuels more debate." ~ JK Rowling

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Re: Little Questions Answered v.18

Thanks both for the answers, it did clear some up. I'll move on to the "Questions about Horcruxes" topic, since this indeed is a bit too deep for this topic


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Did Harry consciously regrow his hair, or did it regrow on its own without his thinking about it? I know he was always worried about how the other kids would react whenever Petunia cut his hair. I don't think he actually thought that he would regrow his hair.


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Did Harry consciously regrow his hair, or did it regrow on its own without his thinking about it? I know he was always worried about how the other kids would react whenever Petunia cut his hair. I don't think he actually thought that he would regrow his hair.
I don't think it was conscious. He probably had a desparate wish that it would somehow grow back overnight....so that's what happened. It's like the time he was being chased at school (before Hogwarts) and suddenly found himself on the roof but didn't remember how he got there.


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Yep, I agree with HedwigOwl, and I do believe Rowling answered that question definitively:
JKR fansite, RumoursHarry is a Metamorphmagus

A Metamorphmagus is a wizard who has the innate ability to transform their appearance completely, for instance, from black to white, young to old, handsome to plain and so on. In Harry's extreme youth, he produced some impressive bits of uncontrolled magic when under stress, including making his own hair re-grow overnight after a particularly brutal haircut from Aunt Petunia (a dream that had its roots in my own childhood. My mother, God bless her, had the idea that she was much more skilled with the kitchen scissors than she really was, and I had a couple of shockingly dreadful 'trims' at her hands. How I wished that I could simply stick it all back on…)

Anyway: before they have received training, very young witches and wizards are prone to unstable surges of power, often accidentally producing effects that they may have to train for a few years to be able to reproduce deliberately. Their magical ability is bottled up for weeks at a time and then, when made angry or frightened, it simply explodes out of them, sometimes (as in the case of the vanishing glass in the chapter of the same name, 'Philosopher's Stone) causing at least as much inconvenience to themselves as others.

So Harry is not a Metamorphmagus – just a boy who was clearly magical from birth.


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thanks, I thought that is what happened but I wasn't sure.


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How do the wizards and witches use such big words? Where did they learn them?


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How do the wizards and witches use such big words? Where did they learn them?
Latin textbooks.... obviously. lol.


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Why did it take so long after Quirrell learned how to get past Fluffy for him to try to go after the Stone?


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Why did it take so long after Quirrell learned how to get past Fluffy for him to try to go after the Stone?
Dumbledore was at the school and Quirrell/Voldemort wasn't going to openly risk it with Dumbledore right there, IMO. In fact, the day that Harry realizes why his scar hurts, he puts together why Hagrid has the dragon egg, it's the day the owl comes summoning Dumbledore to the Ministry.
PS/SS, Through the Trap DoorHarry was quite sure the unsettled feeling didn't have anything to do with work, though. He watched an owl flutter toward the school across the bright blue sky, a note clamped in its mouth...

"Professor Dumbledore left ten minutes ago," she said coldly. "He received an urgent owl from the Ministry of Magic and flew off for London at once."


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What matters is not the length of the wand, but the magic in the stick.

"So that doesn't clear anything up but it elucidates what I believe. But I don't think it's necessarily going to convince people who have a strong feeling, one way or the other, on the matter. You know what, that's been the case with most of "Harry Potter". I gave my explanation and it just fuels more debate." ~ JK Rowling

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Why did it take so long after Quirrell learned how to get past Fluffy for him to try to go after the Stone?
I would think that it would have taken him ,some time to come up with a believable way to get Dumbledore away from the school ,for long enough to allow him the time he needed to get past all the protections .
It could have been that he needed to get stronger, as I believe it was said that having Voldemort on his head drained his strength .
With Snape keeping his eye on him it might have been enough to make him wait .

Those are just a few ideas for your question.


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Dumbledore was at the school and Quirrell/Voldemort wasn't going to openly risk it with Dumbledore right there, IMO. In fact, the day that Harry realizes why his scar hurts, he puts together why Hagrid has the dragon egg, it's the day the owl comes summoning Dumbledore to the Ministry.
PS/SS, Through the Trap DoorHarry was quite sure the unsettled feeling didn't have anything to do with work, though. He watched an owl flutter toward the school across the bright blue sky, a note clamped in its mouth...

"Professor Dumbledore left ten minutes ago," she said coldly. "He received an urgent owl from the Ministry of Magic and flew off for London at once."
Also, Snape had been watching Quirrell closely after the troll incident, and Quirrell told Harry that Snape suspected him before that.


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Dumbledore was at the school and Quirrell/Voldemort wasn't going to openly risk it with Dumbledore right there, IMO. In fact, the day that Harry realizes why his scar hurts, he puts together why Hagrid has the dragon egg, it's the day the owl comes summoning Dumbledore to the Ministry.
PS/SS, Through the Trap DoorHarry was quite sure the unsettled feeling didn't have anything to do with work, though. He watched an owl flutter toward the school across the bright blue sky, a note clamped in its mouth...

"Professor Dumbledore left ten minutes ago," she said coldly. "He received an urgent owl from the Ministry of Magic and flew off for London at once."
Didn't the Owl come from Quirrell, though?
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I would think that it would have taken him ,some time to come up with a believable way to get Dumbledore away from the school ,for long enough to allow him the time he needed to get past all the protections .
It could have been that he needed to get stronger, as I believe it was said that having Voldemort on his head drained his strength .
With Snape keeping his eye on him it might have been enough to make him wait .

Those are just a few ideas for your question.
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Also, Snape had been watching Quirrell closely after the troll incident, and Quirrell told Harry that Snape suspected him before that.
The Snape thing makes sense, but did we see anything that would make it seem like Snape wasn't watching him as closely toward the end of the year?


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Didn't the Owl come from Quirrell, though?
Yes, that's the intent. Quirrell mentions that Dumbledore was in London, it was the idea he came up with to a fake summons from the Ministry and lure Dumbledore away from the school in order to go in search of the Stone.
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The Snape thing makes sense, but did we see anything that would make it seem like Snape wasn't watching him as closely toward the end of the year?
Yep, Snape was tailing Harry Potter, it was making Harry nervous that Snape was going to make another attempt to kill him.

Of course, Snape was unaware Harry now had an Invisibility Cloak in his arsenal and so once safely ensconced in Gryffindor Tower, there would be no reason for Snape to linger about.


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What matters is not the length of the wand, but the magic in the stick.

"So that doesn't clear anything up but it elucidates what I believe. But I don't think it's necessarily going to convince people who have a strong feeling, one way or the other, on the matter. You know what, that's been the case with most of "Harry Potter". I gave my explanation and it just fuels more debate." ~ JK Rowling

'Here he took out the stone that had the power to recall the dead, and turned it thrice in his hand.' ~ Thrice...go Team CoCo.
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Yes, that's the intent. Quirrell mentions that Dumbledore was in London, it was the idea he came up with to a fake summons from the Ministry and lure Dumbledore away from the school in order to go in search of the Stone.
Yep, Snape was tailing Harry Potter, it was making Harry nervous that Snape was going to make another attempt to kill him.

Of course, Snape was unaware Harry now had an Invisibility Cloak in his arsenal and so once safely ensconced in Gryffindor Tower, there would be no reason for Snape to linger about.
Watching Quirrell less, not Harry. Sorry I wasn't clear!


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