The Deathly Hallows Movie(s): News (with Spoilers) v.4

[chunky_monkey]

Originally Posted by Erin6

That dance really bothers me. Like you said, it appears they are celebrating him leaving. It changes the whole dynamic of the trio for me and how devastated they were supposed to be that Ron was gone. The fact that they took out Ron and Hermoine dancing at the wedding makes it worse.

Yeah, I'm not too happy about how they took out the Ron/Hermione dance at the wedding, but it was made pretty clear from the interviews with Heyman that Harry dances with Hermione to cheer her up because she's sad that Ron left. Also from a featurette we saw the beginning of their dance and Hermione looks sad until Harry starts to spin her around. I don't think they start waltzing as soon as Ron walks out, but a few days later just to relieve some tension, and certainly not to celebrate. While H/Hr is not romantic, they still have a strong relationship in the books (think about Hermione being there with Harry at his parents' graves).

Also, test screeners have mentioned that there are plenty of R/Hr scenes, for instance Ron being jealous while watching Hermione dance with Krum at the wedding, Hermione freaking out and crying when Ron is splinched and helping him get better, and also I have seen a number of images of them sitting together, separate from Harry. Don't worry too much.

Edit: Not to mention Ron being absolutely horrified at horcrux Harry and Hermione making out topless. This scene is there to show how Ron really loves Hermione, and apparently the H/Hr kiss isn't supposed to be romantic, but weird and frightening. I seem to remember reading that a test screen described it as "uncomfortable".

[GingerCat1]

My main conplaint about the dance is that it is rather out of character for Harry to even suggest something like that. In the book Harry sort of left Hermione to deal with the grief of Ron leaving on her own, they did talk every so often but Harry never really made any effort to make Hermione feel happier.

[TLFL22]

Originally Posted by katana

It doesn't really seem like that though. To me at least. It's more like two friends trying to cheer each other up in a gloomy moment. I guess it depends on what happens in the moments before the dance and how they act after the dance that will decide it for me. I hope it's not like you say, and feels like a celebration. I honestly don't think it will though.

I think it will be fine once we see in the context of the entire scene. I mean, yes, as a Ron/Hermione shipper I am upset that the dance is in there. But I have faith that the dance will be justified as making Hermione feel better after being hurt by Ron's departure.

[Erin6]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

My main conplaint about the dance is that it is rather out of character for Harry to even suggest something like that. In the book Harry sort of left Hermione to deal with the grief of Ron leaving on her own, they did talk every so often but Harry never really made any effort to make Hermione feel happier.

I think it's very out of character for both of them. I guess I just really need for them to show how devastated Hermoine is, otherwise the dance will be even worse. Wasn't it also Yates that described as being more then just Harry cheering her up?

[chunky_monkey]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

My main conplaint about the dance is that it is rather out of character for Harry to even suggest something like that. In the book Harry sort of left Hermione to deal with the grief of Ron leaving on her own, they did talk every so often but Harry never really made any effort to make Hermione feel happier.

That's a good point. I honestly wasn't very happy with the idea of it at first, but I think it's acceptable in the film because it's what will make the audience happier. Many book fans would prefer it if the movies are exactly the same as the books but the general audience might get very bored just watching Harry and Hermione sulk for like 20 minutes of screen time. Some have already mentioned that the camping scenes really slow down the movie as they did the book and this little dance might add a nice moment. Of course, they could've gone with something less H/Hr shippy but I don't think this added scene is that horrible.

For the record I've always been a R/Hr shipper.

[Cy_Harry]

The London Premiere is a bit far away for me sadly but can't wait to hear all about it.

Found this live webcam that's looking at the red carpet at the London Odeon too, so will make sure I watch that on the night, be a little bit like being there!

http://www.myworldwebcams.com/movies/harry_potter.html

[ThaiHPFan]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

Unfortunately Kloves has always been a Harry/Hermione shipper. He may not be able to stop Ron and Hermione getting together in the epilogue but that won't stop him trying to put in as many Harry/Hermione romantic moments as possible.

I have only heard Kloves saying Hermione is his favorite character, not that he wants her to end up with Harry. The books are not centered around shipping and teen romance, so it is possible for people, Kloves included, to enjoy them without being a shipper. Personally, I see very, very little H/Hr moments in previous films (unless you count every scene where Harry and Hermione have interactions).

IMO I can't see why Kloves would be obsessing with promoting his favorite couple when there are far more interesting scenes and themes in the story.

[Sacred_Memories]

I think some people really have the wrong idea of the dance. Harry and Hermione are most certainly not "celebrating" Ron leaving. I don't understand how anyone could use that word since they were distraught over it (particularly Hermione). This dance does not symbolize anything romantic. They most likely will both be feeling down and the dance occurs because Harry wants to cheer Hermione. It will be an intimate, touching dance between two best friends who have been through an extraordinary deal with each other. Yes, there is intimacy between friends. Intimacy is not synonymous with romance.

[SopophorousBean]

Emma Watson just tweeted this -

Saw DH Part 1 over the weekend. It's absolutely amazing, I am so proud and pleased. Can't wait for you all to see it! See you Thursday x

I'm not too worried about the Harry/Hermione moments, after all they can't change who gets together in the end

[sugniD]

Originally Posted by Sacred_Memories

I think some people really have the wrong idea of the dance. Harry and Hermione are most certainly not "celebrating" Ron leaving. I don't understand how anyone could use that word since they were distraught over it (particularly Hermione). This dance does not symbolize anything romantic. They most likely will both be feeling down and the dance occurs because Harry wants to cheer Hermione. It will be an intimate, touching dance between two best friends who have been through an extraordinary deal with each other. Yes, there is intimacy between friends. Intimacy is not synonymous with romance.

And besides, it's not as if the song playing is Marvin Gaye's "Sexual Healing" is it? haha

[decarus]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

I think the ones at the Ministry would be more like guards. From what we've seen, they're job is to keep things in line from within the Ministry. Greyback and his gang are the ones on the outside searching for runaways, truants, etc...

Yes, but i am not sure if it will quite be like that in the film. Possibly. They just seem to be more overtly terrorizing the people at the ministry in the film. I am fine with this. Like the scene where the snatchers were dragging someone out of the crowd after Thicknesse spoke to them in the atrium.

I'm not getting the haircut idea. That's such a motherly thing to do, why would it make Ron jealous? Seems rather odd to me.

A hair cut is something your mother would do as a kid, but it is also something a girl would do for a guy. There is something intimate about it, touching someones hair. This could be the i saw the two of you last night moment. That is just a guess though.

[JR637]

Originally Posted by SopophorousBean

Emma Watson just tweeted this -





I'm not too worried about the Harry/Hermione moments, after all they can't change who gets together in the end

This is a good point, but it would be weird if they continued to insinuate this "thing" between Harry/Hermoine in DH and then we hit the epilogue and Harry & Ginny are together...it would make people think Ginny was Harry's second choice...I hope this doesn't happen.

EDIT: Not that there is any evidence of this...just saying...

-JR

[decarus]

Originally Posted by katana

It doesn't really seem like that though. To me at least. It's more like two friends trying to cheer each other up in a gloomy moment. I guess it depends on what happens in the moments before the dance and how they act after the dance that will decide it for me. I hope it's not like you say, and feels like a celebration. I honestly don't think it will though.

I think that a good way to show them being a mess because of Ron leaving might be to have a moment where they smile once and then they just go back to being a mess because he left. I think it is clear in the film that Hermione is distraught because Ron left. I don't think celebrating is the right word for the dance. I certainly don't think it is going to feel like that in context.

[silver ink pot]

The fact is, in the book Harry and Hermione are alone together for a long time, so they are just filling in the blanks with the dance and the haircut. It would make less sense for them not to interact at all, which is the way it almost seems in the book. Not much there that is filmworthy, so they made up some stuff to pad out the scenes.

The haircut I see as ambiguous - to Ron it might be meaningful because it is personal. For the record, I've been cutting my husband's hair since he was 21, LOL. Before that, his sisters did it, so it is a sort of "family" thing but it can also be seen as an act of love, whether sisterly or wifely.

(Please don't throw stones, I'm not saying Hermione's being "wifely" or anything like that. She is actually being sisterly, since she loves Ron, not Harry.)

The dance is also ambiguous, but that's obviously what they are going for. It all leads up to Ron's insecurity about his relationship with Hermione and his jealousy with Harry. That's straight from the canon, so I don't see the problem with it. In the book, Harry has to explain to Ron that he loves Hermione like a sister.

The whole point is that the horcrux takes Ron's insecurity and exaggerates the truth to show him his worst fear - almost like a dementor, and the opposite of the Mirror of Erised.

[decarus]

Originally Posted by silver ink pot

The haircut I see as ambiguous - to Ron it might be meaningful because it is personal. For the record, I've been cutting my husband's hair since he was 21, LOL. Before that, his sisters did it, so it is a sort of "family" thing but it can also be seen as an act of love, whether sisterly or wifely.

I agree. I mean i have cut my brothers hair and my dad. I have helped my mother with her hair. It is just a very trusting thing to allow someone to cut your hair and that is what i mean by intimate. It is something you would do for your family. I could see it making Ron jealous if we are to assume this happens before Ron leaves which i think it will. I also sort of think that everything is making Ron jealous at this point.

Meaning i think that cutting hair is something that you would do for your husband or boyfriend, but also for your brother or father.

[SwedishSkinJer]

Originally Posted by Fury

Yeah, they probably used Dan's guest spot as a oppurtunity to hype the movie. Good marketing.

On a different note, I'm kinda worried I won't be able to understand Kreacher when seeing the movie. It's so hard to understand him in the tv spots and stuff.

Personally, I would not be worried in the slightest. I think it's more of an issue with subpar audio quality in that particular television spot. For example, did you see the behind-the-scenes videos of the trio conversing with Kreacher? His voice sounds clear and perfectly understandable ("That's Master Regulus' locket!", "Kreacher doesn't know...", etc).

EDIT:

Collider posted their interview with Evanna Lynch from the set visit today:

http://www.collider.com/2010/11/07/e...athly-hallows/

Now, we were told that you sort of came up with a dance that Luna does with her father. Can you talk about that and what’s the dance?

Lynch: Yeah, it didn’t take much coming up with [laughs]. In the book, the day before the wedding scene, it’s Luna and her Dad I think, and I was wondering what we were going to have to do. I read through the chapter and it said that she was off in the corner by herself and she’s spinning. Harry thinks she’s batting away Wrackspurts. I was doing a few things how it could be and the next day we were on set. We do this whole thing where her Dad is talking to Harry and I have to drag him away, embarrassing Dad. Although it doesn’t really matter because we then go on to the dance floor. We just do this thing where we’re spinning and closing our eyes and everyone clears, you know. Everyone is sort of doing this step, this ballroom dancing thing, and they had this choreographer there and he was saying, what could we do? Because he was too experienced to put something that wacky [laughs]. We just did it, yeah.

What was it like working with him as your father?

Lynch: Oh, it was brilliant. Yeah, I thought he was just perfect. Sometimes when I’m playing Luna I feel like, in her clothes – she’s always wearing all this purple and her hair and all these funny things – I sometimes feel a bit like everyone else is in their Hogwarts robes [and I’m] a bit of an outsider and that’s how she’s meant to feel. And then when he came along it was like we were alone together because he’s in this yellow mad stuff. Yeah, it felt really relaxed. It was nice.

Evanna also talked about a scene in Part II:

There is one scene where she’s not like herself actually, back to your other question. She feels she has to do something when she knows about where the Ravenclaw Horcrux is. Harry is getting distracted and he is running up the stairs and she’s like, Harry I need to show you something and he’s kind of thinking, here we go again I need some space because he’s in a hurry. She knows he’s going wrong, so I have to scream at him because he just keeps going and I have to actually shout. I thought it was really weird. I didn’t know how to shout.

EDIT:

Also, xfinity will have two new featurettes for Part I today:

Available November 8, 2010: The Deathly Hallows: What are the Deathly Hallows? And why are they are significant in the final battle between Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort? Find out in this exclusive featurette. The Ministry of Magic: This clip explores the changes to the Ministry of Magic that are revealed in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows -- Part 1. Learn how Harry, Ron and Hermione infiltrate the Ministry and encounter Dolores Umbridge in her new position as Head of the Muggle-born Registration Commission.

If anyone here is an xfinity user, please describe the footage for us.

[LordThingy]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

Now the dance is something that would legitimately hurt Ron - Harry and Hermione appearing to celebrate him leaving and then getting all close and cuddly... I still can't believe they added that. But a haircut? I don't get it.

That's ridiculous! Just because they are dancing doesn't mean they are celebrating Ron being gone. Harry wants to try to cheer hermione up and lighten the mood so he dances with her. Friends do it all the time. And the haircut thing... not really a motherly thing. obviously on the run they need someone to cut their hair and hermione probably offered to help. Ron probably sees them at the wrong moment.

[SwedishSkinJer]

Yeah, the whole "celebrating Ron leaving" interpretation is absolutely off the mark and is searching for something that plainly is not there, in my opinion. It's not like they dance -- as friends who are much in the same boat, and need emotional uplift -- the moment he departs, because in the film it's implied to be after they have been on their own for some time.

I think, from the choice of song especially, it's a lot more meaningful than others are giving it credit for, but that's simply my opinion.

Anyway...do we have any xfinity users here?

EDIT"

According to someone on HPF who has seen the two new featurettes today, there's a nice moment of continuity with OotP: before Harry attacks Umbridge in the courtroom, he says, "You must not tell lies, Dolores", insulting her commission.

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by Sacred_Memories

I think some people really have the wrong idea of the dance. Harry and Hermione are most certainly not "celebrating" Ron leaving. I don't understand how anyone could use that word since they were distraught over it (particularly Hermione). This dance does not symbolize anything romantic. They most likely will both be feeling down and the dance occurs because Harry wants to cheer Hermione. It will be an intimate, touching dance between two best friends who have been through an extraordinary deal with each other. Yes, there is intimacy between friends. Intimacy is not synonymous with romance.

I used the word "celebrate" because the clip I saw showed Harry and Hermione with huge smiles on their faces and laughing like Ron leaving was absolutely the most wonderful thing that could have happened. And I think it was the recent 10 minute featurette that showed them being more intimate and sensual with the dancing - which is what Yates said he wanted to achieve with the dance. He wanted it to be sexual tension - which I feel is completely inappropriate. Harry and Hermione are not attracted to each other and do not have any sexual tension.

Not that I actually think it will come across as sexual tension - this is Dan we're talking about here. He has yet to make be believe that he is interested in any of the girls he's been paired with on film. He showed more of a response to that comedian that kissed him as a joke on that awards show than he did for the kisses in OOTP and HBP. But I find it annoying that they are trying to present Harry and Hermione as being romantically interested in each other in that way and looking happy that Ron is gone. It's possible for a boy and a girl to be friends and be alone together without wanting to jump each other.

Originally Posted by decarus

Yes, but i am not sure if it will quite be like that in the film. Possibly. They just seem to be more overtly terrorizing the people at the ministry in the film. I am fine with this. Like the scene where the snatchers were dragging someone out of the crowd after Thicknesse spoke to them in the atrium.

I remember seeing something where the ones in uniform were checking people as they entered the Ministry - that's what made me think of that.

A hair cut is something your mother would do as a kid, but it is also something a girl would do for a guy. There is something intimate about it, touching someones hair. This could be the i saw the two of you last night moment. That is just a guess though.

I've never found touching hair to be intimate myself - but I don't like my hair touched either because it's really curly and tangles easily so it hurts more than anything else. I've cut my husbands hair, but I never considered it an intimate moment. Mostly I'm fighting the urge to hit him with a hairbrush because he won't sit still - honestly, he's worse than the kids sometimes.

I just don't see that as something romantic for Ron to get jealous over. Especially with Hermione a couple feet a way and using her wand to cut Harry's hair - what's intimate about that? I could see if it were something like that moment in HBP where Harry pulled Hermione to the side and leaned in to ask her if she confunded McLaggen - that would appear intimate because they were close together. A hug, holding hands - there are a lot of things I could see Hermione doing that could be perceived as intimate by Ron that wouldn't really be intimate because Hermione is not attracted to Harry at all. But a haircut? Not seeing that.

Then again, Yates did seem to think Ginny treating Harry like a helpless child and feeding him and tying his shoes was romantic so who knows? Yates presents it all backwards to me. He uses motherly/sisterly acts to show romance and intimate, romantic acts to show friendship - it's just very odd to me.

[Bscorp]

So I take it from E. Lynch's interview that Luna is the one who will guide Harry to the diadem? That's interesting.