Could Petunia be a witch that got expelled from Hogwarts?

[goldennib]

Originally Posted by Tane

Then again that does not explain Petunia’s parent’s response to them having a witch in the family, Lily. This suggests that Lily was the only witch and that Petunia was not at that time.

Unless Lily went there first. And by the time Petunia was to go it wasn't such a big deal.

I am actually in favor of Petunia being invited to go to Hogwarts and turning the invitation down. I think this is why she has spoken to Dd before. He got involved because it must be unusal for a magical person to turn down the invitation. Then they must agree never to do magic or something so that adullts are not going around doing uncontrolled magic. And I like her being younger than Lily (maybe as little as a year, probablly two) and falling in love with James when he visited Lily at home and since he was a "little" insensitive at that age as some teenage boys are about girls who adore them, this is why Petunia chose not to be a witch and she hates James and Lily.

[Laika]

IF Petunia did go to Hogwarts and got expelled, she would still be a witch (just like first years are witches, even though they can't really do much). There is nothing in the books to suggest that the teachers are capable of stripping someone of their powers; on the contrary, we know that when Hagrid was expelled, they just broke his wand. We also know that he still does magic on the sly. I think we just need to take the author's word for this -- Petunia's a Muggle.

[goldennib]

I think if someone gets expelled or decides not to go to Hogwarts or another school to be trained, they must agree not to do magic. Like Hagrid was only allowed to do magic, before he was cleared, with Dd permission.


Otherwise, untrained adults would be running around doing uncontrolled magic.

[leftofwhat]

doesn't it say on JKR's site that Petunia is for sure not a witch? just curious... i'll go check now actually! lol

[chochangrulz]

Originally Posted by Laika

IF Petunia did go to Hogwarts and got expelled, she would still be a witch (just like first years are witches, even though they can't really do much). There is nothing in the books to suggest that the teachers are capable of stripping someone of their powers; on the contrary, we know that when Hagrid was expelled, they just broke his wand. We also know that he still does magic on the sly. I think we just need to take the author's word for this -- Petunia's a Muggle.

J.K. Rowling never said that Petunia was a muggle. She could have gone to Hogwarts but been expelled in like her first week which is why she doesnt have "powers". Im either going with that, or that she was invited to go to Hogwarts but refused thinking her parents wouldnt like it if she did then hating Lily because she did accept and her parents were so happy. I highly doubt that Petunia is a squib because Lily is MUGGLE BORN and they are sisters.

[yrome]

Originally Posted by chochangrulz

J.K. Rowling never said that Petunia was a muggle..

Here it is, from JKR herself, from J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival, Sunday, August 15, 2004.

Q:Is Aunt Petunia a Squib?

JKR:Good question. No, she is not, but—[Laughter].No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—[Laughter]. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.

Emphasis mine. She is a Muggle, she did not go to Hogwarts and get expelled. She may be the one to discover her powers late in life, but for now she is a MUGGLE.

[chochangrulz]

She may be the one to discover her powers late in life, but for now she is a MUGGLE.[/quote]



How can one discover their powers late in life?? Doesnt Hogwarts know if your magical enough by age 11??

[goldennib]

Originally Posted by yrome

She is a Muggle, she did not go to Hogwarts and get expelled. She may be the one to discover her powers late in life, but for now she is a MUGGLE.

This is the part where I get confused. If it is ok for her to be a muggle NOW but discovers her magical ability later in life making her a witch THEN, why couldn't she have been a witch THEN and chose to give up her magic or have it taken away making her a muggle NOW? Does that question make sense?

[leftofwhat]

Originally Posted by chochangrulz

She may be the one to discover her powers late in life, but for now she is a MUGGLE.

How can one discover their powers late in life?? Doesnt Hogwarts know if your magical enough by age 11??

well maybe you can have some magical ability, but not enough for it to be considered teachable. they always say that neville is almost a squib...

and with that squib kit that filch had, it teaches squib's to perform basic magic... (who knows if it actually works... but ya)

we know she's not a squib, but maybe the same idea can apply to muggles... even some muggles can have powers... how ever feeble they are... :S

[tonyavansant2]

I think that Petunia may have well been a part of the wizarding world. There is something strange about the way she acts that makes me very uneasy. I think that she may have been connected to Voldemort in some way and left it all behind if she was in fact in Azkaban as someone else had suggested. I think that with the reaction that she recieved from Vernon and from Dudley when she started to talk about the dementors is a give away to something from her past...and the way that Dumbledore screamed at her in the howler to not forget her promice...

I kinda think that if she wasn't in fact connected in some way with Voldemort, maybe she is a part of the Order...protecting Harry...and maybe she knew that the neighbor was a Squib.
And, as far as Petunia being a muggle...I bet she is actually a which and was just jealous that she could not excell in her powers and come along as great as Lily was able to...
So many thoughts, so little time.
Got any thoughts???

[Mugglelvr]

Originally Posted by Tane

I love this idea, it could explain why Love spells and potions are just no longer allowed at Hogwarts .

You know Petunia being expelled might explained what Dumbledore meant by remember my first as in first letter. The letter sent with Harry to Petunia may have not been the first letter she received but instead the first letter was about her being expelled. Then again that does not explain Petunia’s parent’s response to them having a witch in the family, Lily. This suggests that Lily was the only witch and that Petunia was not at that time.

It would be nice to know which one was older, Lily or Petunia - I'm guessing Petunia. If in fact she went to Hogwarts and it was a fiasco, it could be she gave up her wand and decided to go to Muggle school. It would explain a lot, not only about her attitude toward magic, but her jealously of Lily, and it seems, Harry. I still think that Madam Bones comment in OotP at Harry's hearing regarding Little Whining being watched carefully under the circumstances - it could mean they were keeping an eye on Petunia longer than Harry.

Originally Posted by yrome

Here it is, from JKR herself, from J K Rowling at the Edinburgh Book Festival, Sunday, August 15, 2004.

Q:Is Aunt Petunia a Squib?

JKR:Good question. No, she is not, but—[Laughter].No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—[Laughter]. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.

Emphasis mine. She is a Muggle, she did not go to Hogwarts and get expelled. She may be the one to discover her powers late in life, but for now she is a MUGGLE.

JKR doesn't say that she was never a Witch -- maybe you are still considered a Muggle if you have only a little magical talent - just enough to not be considered a Squib, but not enough to be considered a Witch.

[Desraelda]

Originally Posted by chochangrulz

How can one discover their powers late in life?? Doesnt Hogwarts know if your magical enough by age 11??

According to JKR's website, there's no such thing as being magical enough. Either you're magical or you're not. If you are magical, you get a letter inviting you to attend Hogwarts. Also according to JKR, some wizards/witches, decide not to attend Hogwarts. Guess they are home schooled.

[Mugglelvr]

Originally Posted by tonyavansant2

I think that Petunia may have well been a part of the wizarding world. There is something strange about the way she acts that makes me very uneasy.

The way JKR starts out the first book, SS, making a big deal about pointing out how the Dursley's don't like anything peculiar, it's possible that was JKR's way of leading our minds astray. It could be that Petunia really did have some type of magical talent at one time. It's a great vision trying to picture her doing magic.

[tonyavansant2]

I think that Petunia is older. Dudley was already born when Harry was put on their steps. I just think that her attitude is just pure jealousy of Lily and of Harry...calling him strange...what kind of woman is she? Rude thats what! I actually feel bad for her because she is a miserable soul.

[yrome]

Originally Posted by leftofwhat

How can one discover their powers late in life?? Doesnt Hogwarts know if your magical enough by age 11??

Source: Barnes and Noble Chat: March 1999.
Question: Will there be, or have there been, any "late blooming" students in the school who come into their magic potential as adults, rather than as children?
JKR: No, is the answer. In my books, magic almost always shows itself in a person before age 11; however, there is a character who does manage in desperate circumstances to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare in the world I am writing about.

Now, any of the Dursleys could be in a desperate circumstance in the coming books, but I'd fall out of my chair if it were Vernon that managed a bit of magic! I'd guess Petunia first, then maybe Dudders. The statement could also apply to the squibs we know, Mr. Filch, or Figgy, or any Muggle (like Hermione's parents), but I put my $ on Petunia.
I can't find a quote from JKR about anyone being expelled (except Hagrid), so I am a bit puzzled about the topic. If there is one, can someone post it? My point was that JKR said Petunia was a Muggle, and by definition, Muggle is a non-magical person, so I don't believe that petunia was a witch once and is now a Muggle. I don't think JKR would lie to us, so I don't believe that Petunia is currently,or was in the past, a witch. I think that Petunia's future is a whole other story.

[kingwidgit]

Originally Posted by yrome

Source: Barnes and Noble Chat: March 1999.
Question: Will there be, or have there been, any "late blooming" students in the school who come into their magic potential as adults, rather than as children?
JKR: No, is the answer. In my books, magic almost always shows itself in a person before age 11; however, there is a character who does manage in desperate circumstances to do magic quite late in life, but that is very rare in the world I am writing about.
Now, any of the Dursleys could be in a desperate circumstance in the coming books, but I'd fall out of my chair if it were Vernon that managed a bit of magic! I'd guess Petunia first, then maybe Dudders. The statement could also apply to the squibs we know, Mr. Filch, or Figgy, or any Muggle (like Hermione's parents), but I put my $ on Petunia.
I can't find a quote from JKR about anyone being expelled (except Hagrid), so I am a bit puzzled about the topic. If there is one, can someone post it? My point was that JKR said Petunia was a Muggle, and by definition, Muggle is a non-magical person, so I don't believe that petunia was a witch once and is now a Muggle. I don't think JKR would lie to us, so I don't believe that Petunia is currently,or was in the past, a witch. I think that Petunia's future is a whole other story.

I agree with yrome! Non-magical people do not get to attend Hogwart's, this means no squibs and no muggles.. I think the most common theory is that Aunt Petunia will do some form of magic--not because she possesses any latent magical capabilities, but rather because of DDs charm that Petunia sealed when she accepted little Harry into her home...though there are other theories out there.

[Culte Ventosus]

Unless I missed it somehow, I do not believe anyone has mentioned that S Black told the trio a witch or wizard could lose magical powers if exposed to dementors for long periods. Petunia is familiar with these creatures...

[yrome]

Originally Posted by Culte Ventosus

Unless I missed it somehow, I do not believe anyone has mentioned that S Black told the trio a witch or wizard could lose magical powers if exposed to dementors for long periods. Petunia is familiar with these creatures...

When/where did he say that? I don't recall that at all. Sirius didn't seem to lose his magical powers after 12 years in Azkaban. Crouch retained his powers, though he was in for considerably less time than Sirius.
Are you suggesting that Petunia had magical powers, but then hung out with dementors for too long and lost her powers? hmmmm....seems a bit of a stretch, but I'd like to hear your evidence for this one!
I think Petunia knows all about the magical world because she was jealous of Lily. Imagine that your sister found out she was a witch and could do all sorts of cool stuff and you could only look on! And your parents thought it was marvelous to have a witch in the family to boot. Now we know Petunia was all over the tabloid magazines/tv even though she said something to the effect of "as if I care." But she did find it interesting and paid attention. I think the same happened with Petunia and Lily, she lived in the magical world vicariously through Lily, so while she pretends to know and care nothing about it, she sure has kept her eyes and ears open when it comes to magic.

[kingwidgit]

Originally Posted by Culte Ventosus

Unless I missed it somehow, I do not believe anyone has mentioned that S Black told the trio a witch or wizard could lose magical powers if exposed to dementors for long periods. Petunia is familiar with these creatures...

It was Remus, actually, who said it.

POA, The Marauder's Map, pg. 188:"Dementors are supposed to drain a wizard of his powers if he is left with them too long..."

[samirf]

JK said taht she wasn't a squib, and definetly a muggle. However, she also said she didn't want to continue describing what Petunia is for fear of giving oo much information. maybe she's a hag?