Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part Two [incl. SPOILERS] v.2

[boushh]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

We do have definite proof that David Heyman wanted Harry and Hermione to get together.

I don't remember that statement, but does it really matter? Ron and Hermione get together. They have a scene alone together where they have their big moment. They get married. They have kids. Ron exists in the films. He had big moments (IMO) in the last film, and they talked about him a lot.

I personally don't feel there is some sort of agenda on the part of the film makers. I think they are doing their best and trying to make good films.

ETA: About the snow in Hogsmeade. Isn't it possible that it actually is from the Dementors? We've seen them cause things to freeze in the films. If it's raining or misting when they are around then it would turn the rain into snow or ice wouldn't it? Maybe that's all we're suppose to think. There may even be a throwaway line or two to the effect of:

"A little late for snow, don't you think?"

"Dementors."

That would be fine for me.

[BorisKelpman]

I saw no indication in Part I that Harry and Hermione were anything more than friends that were seeking deep comfort from one another. Due to the choice of song and context, I interpret the dance as an extension of that platonic relationship, and I have spoken at length about that interpretation elsewhere. To suggest that it is indicative solely of romantic feelings is, IMO, an incredibly narrow interpretation. Anyway, as it has been pointed out, there's another thread for that, but to the people who worry about the implications for Part II: look at interpretations that don't automatically conform to your views. You might very well be surprised.

Heyman's views doesn't mean this ship will happen at the end of the movie.

What someone would have liked to see happen doesn't necessarily have to have any bearing on their acknowledgement of canon. Only in the world of purist conspiracy theorists is there a guaranteed correlation that has to be indicative of some knowing agenda. I'll leave it there.

About the snow in Hogsmeade. Isn't it possible that it actually is from the Dementors? We've seen them cause things to freeze in the films. If it's raining or misting when they are around then it would turn the rain into snow or ice wouldn't it? Maybe that's all we're suppose to think. There may even be a throwaway line or two to the effect of:

"A little late for snow, don't you think?"

"Dementors."

That would be fine for me.

That would be more than sufficient, IMO. I can definitely see them slipping in a line or two of that nature.

[Samuelcd]

Originally Posted by PrezLeefun

I think it is fair to remember that the Dementors are breeding and in huge numbers at this point. Their numbers would increase their ability to change the weather, and it is even mentioned in canon.

How on earth would a dementor breed

[GingerCat1]

Originally Posted by Samuelcd

How on earth would a dementor breed

Well when a mummy dementor and a daddy dementor love each other very much...

[gabriele87]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

Well when a mummy dementor and a daddy dementor love each other very much...

My assumption is that dementors are like mold. They simply grow more as in asexual reproduction.

Sorry - I know we're getting off topic here. So I'm wondering if the Part 2 sneak peek will be quick flashes of scenes or a little bit more developed. Will we get to hear dialogue? I hope.

[ThaiHPFan]

Well, I'm sorry but all this "Yates & Kloves &Heyman's H/HR love triangle conspiracy theory" just sounds really ridiculous. I know it's possible that the filmmakers may not like certain directions that the book took and attempted to change them in the film, but to think that these three grown male adult filmmakers would be obsessing about book characters' love relationship to the point that they have to insert their fictitious romantic indications into every part of the script, film, and BTS features they possibly can is just hilarious and silly. You are speaking as if they are as obsessed about pairings as much as those fans in shipping war do, which I found highly unlikely. Heck, I don't even think they are as obsessed about any of the books as most of us are. Really, I doubt Heyman even care about who ends up with whom as long as the books are enjoyable and can provide a right material for filmmaking (I'm not saying he doesn't care about the books, but surely most people know there are more important, interesting things than romance in this story)


And to those who think that they try to create a love triangle to 'sell' the movies, this is not Twilight we're talking about. Just how many audiences watch these movies for romance anyway?? All fans know who will end up with whom, and just how many percent of casual audiences go to these movie anticipating about how the love triangle will be resolved?? Or are you indicating that WB is trying to cater toward the H/Hr fans (aka a small portion of hardcore fans who will definitely go see the film anyway)? I actually do wander whether these filmmakers know about all the shipping wars among fans at all...

Originally Posted by Samuelcd

How on earth would a dementor breed

JKR said they spread in number if the enviroment is right, like fungi. I guess the cloak will appear magically somehow.

[Erisa]

Originally Posted by decarus

I hope they keep the "i think they might have noticed we broke into Gringotts" line. I am usually not that specific about things i want them to keep especially dialogue but that was something that was so funny in the book. It was such a great light moment between the two heist and the battle. They usually don't keep things that specifically and i can always laugh at the book but it would be nice.

I'd really, really like it if that line and moment were in the film as well. Hermione worrying about the dragon, Ron joking and the trio just laughing together. That was a great moment in the book that could really be great in the film. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

[decarus]

Originally Posted by boushh

ETA: About the snow in Hogsmeade. Isn't it possible that it actually is from the Dementors? We've seen them cause things to freeze in the films. If it's raining or misting when they are around then it would turn the rain into snow or ice wouldn't it? Maybe that's all we're suppose to think. There may even be a throwaway line or two to the effect of:

"A little late for snow, don't you think?"

"Dementors."

That would be fine for me.

I am still hoping there is a line like this in the film but i never considered that the reason there was snow at Hogsmeade was because they think the town is above the weather line. We will see.

About the whole Harry/Hermione thing. I have always thought it was clear in the films that it would be Ron/Hermione. I do think that there were some Harry/Hermione moments in Part 1. I do think it is odd that they would have a featurette about their relationship only because i don't know what they could possibly have to say unless they are just going to say they are friends and if that is what they say then i think that is a weird thing to have a featurette about.

Either way i think Rupert said that there were a lot of Ron/Hermione moments in Part 2 with them holding hands and protecting each other. I wouldn't worry about it.

Originally Posted by Erisa

I'd really, really like it if that line and moment were in the film as well. Hermione worrying about the dragon, Ron joking and the trio just laughing together. That was a great moment in the book that could really be great in the film. Lets keep our fingers crossed.

I will still hope on this one though i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't in. Though we do know that there is still a bit of a scene after they drop off the dragon and i still think that would be a great place for a laugh moment before things get serious. Though i have never been convinced that they quite get the pacing issue. I mean they do alright but there are always moments that don't quite hit the right beats.

[gabriele87]

Given the interspersed nature of the last film, I think they'll interject some more humor into this film. The scene after they jump off the dragon would be perfect for it. Sometimes they leave lines in word-for-word, so I'm hopeful. I like that line as well.

[potions_mistres]

Originally Posted by BorisKelpman

I saw no indication in Part I that Harry and Hermione were anything more than friends that were seeking deep comfort from one another. Due to the choice of song and context, I interpret the dance as an extension of that platonic relationship, and I have spoken at length about that interpretation elsewhere. To suggest that it is indicative solely of romantic feelings is, IMO, an incredibly narrow interpretation.

I totally agree with you. I don't understand why so many people are getting so upset about this! I have never gotten the impression from the films that Harry and Hermione had a thing for each other, just that Harry and Hermione are just two best friends comforting one another, or like they are brother and sister. On the other hand, I think the film producers have been trying to push the Ron/Hermione ship down our throats for ages... the awkwardness at the end of CoS, the hand grab in PoA, all that was even before there was supposed to be any inkling of a relationship between the two of them. Then all the tension in GoF, OotP, and HBP was played out perfectly. I don't see how any of that could be mistaken for anything other than the two of them getting together in the end.

[GingerCat1]

Originally Posted by potions_mistres

I totally agree with you. I don't understand why so many people are getting so upset about this! I have never gotten the impression from the films that Harry and Hermione had a thing for each other, just that Harry and Hermione are just two best friends comforting one another, or like they are brother and sister. On the other hand, I think the film producers have been trying to push the Ron/Hermione ship down our throats for ages... the awkwardness at the end of CoS, the hand grab in PoA, all that was even before there was supposed to be any inkling of a relationship between the two of them. Then all the tension in GoF, OotP, and HBP was played out perfectly. I don't see how any of that could be mistaken for anything other than the two of them getting together in the end.

You have to admit though that they show the Harry/Hermione friendship a lot more than they show the Harry/Ron friendship. Generally speaking the movies do make it out that Hermione and Harry are much closer than Ron and Harry even though in the books this is not the case.

[Sacred_Memories]

Regarding DH, I've always seen Harry being significantly closer with Hermione than Ron. And I'd bet my house that Harry wouldn't have cried in Godric's Hollow if it were any other person besides Hermione.

[GingerCat1]

Originally Posted by Sacred_Memories

Regarding DH, I've always seen Harry being significantly closer with Hermione than Ron. And I'd bet my house that Harry wouldn't have cried in Godric's Hollow if it were any other person besides Hermione.

Except Harry gets bored when he has to spend to much time alone with Hermione.

[Sacred_Memories]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

Except Harry gets bored when he has to spend to much time alone with Hermione.

Hermione was heartbroken when Ron left. Besides, Harry joked plenty of times with Hermione and he constantly finds her obsession with studying amusing. Harry may enjoy spending more time with Ron, as he is more entertaining, but his heart was closer to Hermione ever since the day Ron left them.

[Bscorp]

Are we still talking about the movie (prt II), or are we debating character canon?

[Sacred_Memories]

^ You know, your signature made me love that quote and I heartily wish it's in the movie. "It's real for us," just sounds so magical.

[BorisKelpman]

To steer this thread back on-topic, I cannot wait to see the Gringotts dragon in action as it's trying to escape from the bank with the trio on-board. It has a thin, elongated look that matches my imagination when I was reading the book, and as a whole it should be a scene that rivals the flight of Buckbeak in the PoA movie if properly executed. It's just such stirring imagery.

[Shaun_MT]

Originally Posted by Sacred_Memories

Regarding DH, I've always seen Harry being significantly closer with Hermione than Ron. And I'd bet my house that Harry wouldn't have cried in Godric's Hollow if it were any other person besides Hermione.

If he didn't cry if Ron was with him it wouldn't be because he's not close to Ron. If anything I expect he wouldn't cry because Ron would be a tower of strength for him. Harry actually counts more on Ron's support than Hermione's throughout the books (which is a bit of an insult to Hermione who never wavers in support to Harry unlike Ron at times) but it's true. I wouldn't say Harry was closer to Hermione. Boys aren't good talking about their feelings with each other and so Hermione was at an advantage when it came to... emotional topics. I wouldn't say either were more closer than the other. It's strange but looking back all three rarely talk about how they feel to each other, but they all know it anyhow and can help and support in their own way. Ron will cheer you up with jokes, Hermione with logical and gentle reassurance and Harry just has a strength about him which is infectious.

But whoever said that the films paint Harry and Hermione as closer is damn right. It was nice in DH:1 to get the ONE scene of Ron talking Harry out of leaving at the Burrow although it didn't make up for the Destroying the Locket scene being horribly reduced which shows how close Ron and Harry actually are.

[nicholasmanning]

im curious to see what the abc family featurette of The Final Battle is its either Harry Vs Voldermort or its the Death Eaters Vs The Hogwartians. im hoping its the deatheaters vs the hogwartians. im really looking forward to seeing that. it should be very exciting

[PrezLeefun]

Originally Posted by GingerCat1

Well when a mummy dementor and a daddy dementor love each other very much...

LOVE THIS! lol!