Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part 2: Discussion

[acciowinter]

Originally Posted by Fally

she did look dead when the trio saw her (im annoyed that ron showed no emotion to his ex gf lying there dead). so confusing lol

she really did but maybe they could fix her up .I mean it's sad thinking about Lavender dying (who is really one of the major Gryffindor characters) and not even be sure about it because noone mentiones it or actually see it. Oh well. Deaths weren't dealt with well imo in this movie.
AGREED. I mean Harry hugs the hell out of Lavender when they get into the RoR and Ron doesn't even show the slightest emotion when she is lying there dead. IDGI.

i dont understand why neville said that line when its not even canon :/.

ugh, the Neville line. Another great example for an unnecessary line in this movie. Was it for comic relief? I am not sure. Plus it's not even canon. Why bother?

[Fally]

@snugglepot i dont blame dan or bonnie at all i blame the writers in order for things to be more convincing they need to write them that way and harry and ginny were not written with chemisty.

@acciowriter i hate the idea of her dying i like to think after the battle she grew up and got married. Neville never mentioned her dying he mentioned everyone else and not her when he did his speech it was like she didnt exsist unless she never did die and they left it to our interpritation but she clearly looked dead. i agree she was a major gryffindore alone with seamus padma and dean. Hermione is the only one that shows emotion to her and this is the girl who stole your future husband while the other 2 just stand there with no emotion its a big WHAT THE.

everyone knows that he ends up with Hannah so i was sitting there like Huh it took me a while and because of it i missed the harry ginny kiss because i was so focused on nevilles line. dont get me wrong i loved the idea of them before the end of the book and was hoping they would end up together but then he ends up with hannah in the end and you no they arent going to end up together so why put it in i dont understand

[Marikina]

The film's pacing kinda got mucked around by the Kings Cross scene. The timing was so abrupt, and the scene itself so long and dull for an exposition device, unlike the previous Prince's Tale which just flowed and was engrossing.

Speaking of the Prince's Tale, it was kinda slanted in terms of its portrayal of Snape, accentuating the positives while omitting most of the negatives.

[Fally]

Kings Cross scene to me seemed akward was i the only one that thought that i was expecting some long converstation with dumbledore and it just seemed really awkward like harry was struggling to come up with questions to ask him.

[Warlock27]

I really don't see why chemistry should determine who Harry ends up with in the movies? The series is still tied to a source material. There are some things that not even Yates Kloves or Heyman can change even if they wanted to.

JK dropped a bomb on them when she made Harry/Ginny canon. If it was unconvincing in the movies, well that's their fault, not the actors.

[padfootrules]

I loved most of the film... hated the off-screen death of Fred (he is freaking hero!)... but loved the resurrection scene. Harry reaching out to his mum... and Sirius! I started tearing up quite early in the film, so by the time this rolled around, I was a total wreck!

[snugglepot]

Originally Posted by Warlock27

I really don't see why chemisty should determine who Harry ends up with in the movies? The series is still tied to a source material. There are some things that not even Yates Kloves or Heyman can change even if they wanted to.

JK dropped a bomb on them when she made Harry/Ginny canon. If it was unconvincing in the movies, well that's their fault, not the actors.

Well said!

Their failure began with OotP. They already knew about Harry/Ginny because HBP had been published, yet they cut all the Harry/Ginny scenes from OotP, the book, cut GInny out of scenes she should have been in, and focused on Looney Lovegood!
That was their first and biggest mistake.

Then in HBP, with DH already out and knowing Harry and Ginny ended up together, they STILL cut all their vital scenes together, or changed them to add their own inferior stuff, while focusing on the Lavender/Ron/Hermione triangle.

This is one of the things I will never forgive the movie makers for.

[lvngbooks]

Agreed. And since they didn't know the relationship would be there at all when they cast Ginny and Harry, I don't think it's really fair to still be going on about it. They did the best they could, I'm sure, and it would have been totally weird if they had Harry ending up with Luna, for example, just because the chemistry was better.

I have to admit though that I've never been a big fan of Harry/Ginny

PS: About Neville/Luna that should have been Neville/Hannah; I can't remember any focus on Hannah in the movies. She was mentioned a lot in the books, but I think they didn't really include her in the movies so it would have been weird if they would have introduced Hannah just there at the end. People would have gone like "What the...?!"

[Marikina]

Originally Posted by snugglepot

Their failure began with OotP. They already knew about Harry/Ginny because HBP had been published, yet they cut all the Harry/Ginny scenes from OotP, the book, cut GInny out of scenes she should have been in, and focused on Looney Lovegood!

That was their first and biggest mistake.

Well, the Luna stuff WAS there, so they had to keep it in. The problem was all the Cho stuff, which ended up being inconsequential in the big scheme of things. They should've instead done a little pragmatic adapting and replaced it with development for Harry/Ginny (maybe even going so far back as GoF), then revising HBP accordingly.

[snugglepot]

Originally Posted by Marikina

Well, the Luna stuff WAS there, so they had to keep it in. The problem was all the Cho stuff, which ended up being inconsequential in the big scheme of things. They should've instead done a little pragmatic adapting and replaced it with development for Harry/Ginny (maybe even going so far back as GoF), then revising HBP accordingly.

Cutting the Cho stuff might have worked, but the Luna stuff I was referring to was not the Canon scenes but the added stuff like that Thestral scene and focusing on her in other scenes when Ginny could and should have been the focus.

[Warlock27]

And it's a shame too, because they were making a good start with Ginny in GoF. Her teasing Ron and telling Fred and George not to be so mean. That's probably the only movie where she's portrayed with any kind of spunk or a personality.

[decarus]

I think they did a good job with Ginny in OotP. She kept noticing Harry liking Cho which was the best they could do i think. I think the failure existed in HBP where they had some extremely awkward scenes between the two of them.

[personification]

I think for fans and an audience who just watch the movies, it might have been a little confusing that Harry ended up with Ginny.

What parts did people cry in? At one part during the battle I was just hit with emotion and not long after that was the Prince's Tale - needless to say tears were rolling. Resurrection of course but the thing that really got me was 'Leaving Hogwarts' playing with the shot of the trio. How was it possible to feel so happy yet so sad???

[AnotherD]

Originally Posted by snugglepot

Which is the fault of the movie makers (especially the script writers), NOT the actors!

Actually, I disagree with that. You can't write chemistry--either people have it or they don't. Some of the blame does fall to the actors if they can't pull of a scene together. I'm not just referring to HP, but in all films. We want them to have chemistry because they are supposed to, but chemistry just doesn't come from the script. I would say that direction may have something to do with it more than writing does. After all, during these kiss scenes, they are told what to do even though their instinct may be to do it a different way. So a bit of the blame can lie with the director. And then if we really want to get into it, we could say the editor could even further mess with the chemistry by the way they cut the scene. The Ginny/Harry kiss in DH1 was so strangely blocked and edited that I completely blame Yates for that one.

[lvngbooks]

Originally Posted by personification

I think for fans and an audience who just watch the movies, it might have been a little confusing that Harry ended up with Ginny.

What parts did people cry in? At one part during the battle I was just hit with emotion and not long after that was the Prince's Tale - needless to say tears were rolling. Resurrection of course but the thing that really got me was 'Leaving Hogwarts' playing with the shot of the trio. How was it possible to feel so happy yet so sad???

When Snape died and The Prince's Tale, then I was overwhelmed with emotion when I saw Fred lying in the Great Hall. And then again when I saw Lupin and Tonks together in the Great Hall. And of course when Harry used the resurrection stone.. "Always". I love it that they kept my favorite line in the movie.

[PotterFan295]

In the Epilogue scene, when Albus gets on to the Hogwarts Express, who is sitting with him? I remember seeing James and Rose, but who else? I also remember an older girl there, who was she?

[Warlock27]

Some random student.

Speaking of the epilogue, is the last word Harry says "really"? I think it was.

So in the first movie the last word Harry says is "really", and in the final movie it's the same. Although not in the same context.

[Limplict]

Originally Posted by lvngbooks

When Snape died and The Prince's Tale, then I was overwhelmed with emotion when I saw Fred lying in the Great Hall. And then again when I saw Lupin and Tonks together in the Great Hall. And of course when Harry used the resurrection stone.. "Always". I love it that they kept my favorite line in the movie.

Hear, hear! I was in hysterics when Snape was killed; his death was so gruesome Fred's body and Lupin and Tonks lying next to each other got me teary again as well.

Neville's scenes like where he single-handedly got rid of that enormous Snatchers army made me shed a tear or two in happiness; he's developed so much over the books and it was amazing to see that portrayed so well in the films. Not to mention the rather comical lines he gets

I loved how Alan delivered the line "Always". Actually, I love all of his lines He's such a brilliant actor. The one line that got to me though was
"Look.. At.. Me.... You have your mother's eyes. -slumps over-"

Excuse me, I think I have to go bawl again.

[Your_Holeyness]

Originally Posted by Fally

When Neville Seamus and Katie are talking to mcgongal when there walking down the stairs and asking permission to do something and mcgongal says yes im giving permission for you to blow it up and she says seamus has experience in that what where they ment to blow up? we never actually see anything blown up i thought it might have been the quidditch pitch but i wasnt sure does anyone else know what it was or did i miss something lol

They blow up the bridge.

Was anyone else dissatisfied with the King's Cross scene?

[Gilded_Rose]

Originally Posted by chunky_monkey

The whole thing went by really fast, I still don't feel like I completely absorbed it. I can't help but feel somewhat dissatisfied but I can't quite figure out what I didn't like about it as a whole...

Edit: Maybe it's because there was no celebration of Harry defeating Voldemort. He just wandered into the Great Hall at the end in a daze and people smiled at him. I really would've liked to see more emotion and acknowledgement of the incredible part of wizarding history that just took place in the courtyard.

I have to agree that this was really one of the main things lacking for me. I can accept they had to change their final duel for the screen, but i cant think of a good reason for them not to have some sort of group celebration after Harry just defeated the greatest dark wizard the magical world had ever seen. I think that warrants more than just a few smiles and nods...and now that i think about it, its just completely out of character for most of them, as if Ginny and Molly would just sit there and not run over and hug harry after they all almost died.