Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part 2: Discussion

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by MerryLore

I think you've nailed it.

We were confronted with the dead bodies of Snape, Lily, Lavender, Fred, Lupin, Tonks, etc, while Bellatrix and Voldemort's bodies turn into little pieces, almost like butterflies.

It seemed more like pixels breaking apart to me rather than butterflies -- digital death.....

[decarus]

I think if anything the flaking death seemed a lot less final then a dead body on the floor. Like Cedric's body, Lupin and Tonks bodies. I don't think anybody question that they were dead and i think the audience was still questioning whether or not Voldemort was coming back from the flaking death or not.

[Pearl_Took]

Originally Posted by decarus

I think if anything the flaking death seemed a lot less final then a dead body on the floor. Like Cedric's body, Lupin and Tonks bodies. I don't think anybody question that they were dead and i think the audience was still questioning whether or not Voldemort was coming back from the flaking death or not.

That surprises me, since the audience had already seen Bellatrix get shattered into pieces by Molly's spell, and there was no way Bella was coming back. Harry v Voldemort is the final showdown. It's pretty obvious to an audience that this is Voldemort's final bowing out, IMO.

[decarus]

Originally Posted by Pearl_Took

That surprises me, since the audience had already seen Bellatrix get shattered into pieces by Molly's spell, and there was no way Bella was coming back. Harry v Voldemort is the final showdown. It's pretty obvious to an audience that this is Voldemort's final bowing out, IMO.

I disagree. I actually thought it was more obvious that Bella was dead then Voldemort because that seemed violent and sudden. Voldemort flaking away was just weird. I think that is why people cheered when Bellatrix died and no one did when Voldemort died because no one was certain if he was really dead or not. Oh i guess he's dead then.

[HedwigOwl]

Originally Posted by decarus

I think if anything the flaking death seemed a lot less final then a dead body on the floor. Like Cedric's body, Lupin and Tonks bodies. I don't think anybody question that they were dead and i think the audience was still questioning whether or not Voldemort was coming back from the flaking death or not.

Interesting reaction; I saw it 3 times at the movie theatre, and each time the audience clapped & cheered when Voldy disintegrated (and also at Bella, and Neville killing Nagini).

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by HedwigOwl

Interesting reaction; I saw it 3 times at the movie theatre, and each time the audience clapped & cheered when Voldy disintegrated (and also at Bella, and Neville killing Nagini).

My cinema was completely silent, but I don't really think you were meant to cheer at it anyway. Instead Yates makes you feel a bit pity for Voldemort when he flakes away, which Voldemort himself would have considered far more humiliating than cheering. Even though he was a psychopathic monster that the entire wizarding world feared, he was in the end displayed as the vulnerable and weak person he was, completely incapable of love and terrified of dying.

[tru0001]

I thought the flaking thing worked well for Voldy since he wasn't really human anymore. He split his soul into seven parts , became this small limbo thingy and used bone, flesh and blood to re-create his body for him so I preferred this flaking death. But I didn't like Bellatrix's confetti death, the Video games handled her death better haha.

[FleurDeLaPointe]

If we wanted to talk about the flaking, I think it falls right in place with what Yates is capable of. Considering his track record of acknowledging the past over and over again, it's plain to see that this was a bit of an homage to PS, where Quirrelmort crumbled into nothingness.

Another thing to consider is why Yates also used this is to fall in line with his promise of action and (as much as I hate using the word) epicness, he had to have a more flashy death sequence rather than a slumped body on the floor. Perhaps if he just ended it at DH1 where the tone fit, a more subtle and sombre mood, but after all that slow mo, SFXing and etc, it is to be expected that the death sequence be overly grandiose.

[Sesquipedalian]

To go along with the current discussion, this photo of an alternate end to the duel between Harry and Voldemort was posted on IMDb earlier today: http://i39.tinypic.com/fbw0vo.jpg.

[BrianTung]

Originally Posted by Sesquipedalian

To go along with the current discussion, this photo of an alternate end to the duel between Harry and Voldemort was posted on IMDb earlier today: http://i39.tinypic.com/fbw0vo.jpg.

I think this would have matched my own internal conception of the scene better, but I'm OK with the way they ended up doing it, although I think they overused the whole disintegration thingie, just like they overused the Harry-Voldemort red-vs-green thingie.

Too many of the same thingies.

[mirrormere]

I rather liked the idea of Voldemort disintegrating into nothing. No body to worship by leftover DE's. No memorial. Nothing. After all his machinations, all his murders, all his evil: Nothing. A bit of dust floating on the wind.

[decarus]

So they really changed Voldemort's death to the flaking death just because of the 3D? I think i hate 3D even more then i did before then.

[yorkiedoodle]

Originally Posted by Sesquipedalian

To go along with the current discussion, this photo of an alternate end to the duel between Harry and Voldemort was posted on IMDb earlier today: http://i39.tinypic.com/fbw0vo.jpg.

Having seen that I so wish that they had gone down that path. I didn't really get the confetti bit really. I just wanted to see him dead.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by decarus

So they really changed Voldemort's death to the flaking death just because of the 3D? I think i hate 3D even more then i did before then.

What makes you think that? As I said in my review,

It rapidly cuts between their faces as they cast their last spells and Voldemort, having no soul left, crumbles apart into nothingness, which is what he feared the most. This is accompanied by Lily’s theme, emphasizing what a personal victory this is for Harry. The sun rises, giving hope for a better future, and albeit no one seems to care that Harry has killed Voldemort when he walks through the Great Hall afterwards, the mission is completed.

Moreover, someone mentioned that viewers often expect to see some sort of recognition on the villain's face that he has lost. Rather than making viewers cheer, however, Yates makes you feel both happy for Harry and pity for Voldemort by depicting him as pitiable and in pain. That would have been lost had he just dropped dead on the ground.

[decarus]

Don't get me wrong i would never cheer at a movie, but i don't think people should be feeling pity for Voldemort either. And i think people were generally wondering is he dead or not during the flaking and weren't thinking any of those things. And the reason i am sure that they did it just for 3D is because we know that 3D became a thing while they were filming and they decided to convert Part 2 into 3D and there are multiple photos of a dead body behind Harry which makes it certain to me that they changed to that flaking death just for the 3D effect of the flakes floating around for the 3D.


PS. I don't really read reviews.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by decarus

Don't get me wrong i would never cheer at a movie, but i don't think people should be feeling pity for Voldemort either. And i think people were generally wondering is he dead or not during the flaking and weren't thinking any of those things. And the reason i am sure that they did it just for 3D is because we know that 3D became a thing while they were filming and they decided to convert Part 2 into 3D and there are multiple photos of a dead body behind Harry which makes it certain to me that they changed to that flaking death just for the 3D effect of the flakes floating around for the 3D.


PS. I don't really read reviews.

Or could it be that they decided against it because it didn't work?

[decarus]

I doubt it. We know they didn't film the Lupin and Tonks deaths because they ran out of time because of 3D. I don't think that they decided it didn't work. Though there is just so much i dislike about this film that there reasoning behind what they did isn't really that important i guess. They just made a bad movie in my opinion. It happens.

[Noldus]

Originally Posted by decarus

I doubt it. We know they didn't film the Lupin and Tonks deaths because they ran out of time because of 3D. I don't think that they decided it didn't work. Though there is just so much i dislike about this film that there reasoning behind what they did isn't really that important i guess. They just made a bad movie in my opinion. It happens.

They still shot 4 endings for the Malfoys, and apparently two death scenes for Voldemort. They went for the CGI heavy one with him disintegrating which completely undermines your point that they chose if because they ran out of time. Yeah, they didn't film Lupin and Tonks' deaths for that reason, but ask yourself: Would it have made a better film and where would it have fit in? It's quite a shocking image when Harry suddenly sees them on the floor with outstretched hands.

If there is something I miss, however, it's that deleted scene of their embrace before the battle starts, which also mentions their son.

[snapes_witch]

Originally Posted by Noldus

They still shot 4 endings for the Malfoys, and apparently two death scenes for Voldemort. They went for the CGI heavy one with him disintegrating which completely undermines your point that they chose if because they ran out of time. Yeah, they didn't film Lupin and Tonks' deaths for that reason, but ask yourself: Would it have made a better film and where would it have fit in? It's quite a shocking image when Harry suddenly sees them on the floor with outstretched hands.

If there is something I miss, however, it's that deleted scene of their embrace before the battle starts, which also mentions their son.

Perhaps 'ran out of time' meant the running time of the film, not production time . . .

[NoobTwinz5]

Originally Posted by mirrormere

From what I can see, LV disables Snape using what looks like Sectumsempra, one of his own spells, before having Nagini finish him off. This makes more sense not only from the actors viewpoint--Snape would have had plenty of time to shield himself from the snake--but from Voldemort's viewpoint--he's risking his last horcrux to kill a skilled, armed wizard? Best handicap him first.

I liked this part in the movie, but I thought the whole reason Voldemort used just Nagini in the book was because, knowing the Elder Wand would not harm its master (at least according to Voldemort, who thought it was Snape's), he instead used something else to kill him. Voldemort using Sectumsempra kind of ruined that, but I don't really care, I liked it anyway