Do you think Steve Kloves did a good job?

[darklordspal]

Something else that I'm disappointed in with Kloves besides how he treats the trio and the relationships is that he seems to fall into the old biases and attitudes that JKR seems to be arguing against in the HP series.

Having McGonnagall order all the Sytherins to the dungeons without giving them the chance to prove themselves was really over the top. She should have at least said something about how they have to make a choice.

Another is where he has Ron make light of the death of the Goblin in Gringott's vaults. Kloves just seemed to assume that since he was a Goblin then he deserved his terrible fate when in my opinion as an audience member I saw him as just doing his job. Kloves just seems to assume that the audience isn't capable of seeing that just b\c someone looks like a Goblin doesn't automatically make them an evil person and that the audience wants to see them punished.

It was was stereotypical casting and characterization that really disappoints me.

[peter333]

Originally Posted by darklordspal

Something else that I'm disappointed in with Kloves besides how he treats the trio and the relationships is that he seems to fall into the old biases and attitudes that JKR seems to be arguing against in the HP series.

Having McGonnagall order all the Sytherins to the dungeons without giving them the chance to prove themselves was really over the top. She should have at least said something about how they have to make a choice.

Another is where he has Ron make light of the death of the Goblin in Gringott's vaults. Kloves just seemed to assume that since he was a Goblin then he deserved his terrible fate when in my opinion as an audience member I saw him as just doing his job.
It was was stereotypical casting and characterization that really disappoints me.

Agree completely.
The Slytherins being kept hostage? The one thing Harry explicitly says Dumbledore would not have done?
At least
the deleted scene, where Filch keeps them behind bars and they escape was not in the movie.

And I could not agree more on the Goblin scene.
Pretty sick message to the audience.

And again, it comes down to the CHARACTERS: The goblin dies innocently and the Trio does not even bother to save him? Come on, Harry saved Malfoy, spared Pettigrew,
Ron helped Harry to save Malfoy,
Ron did not abandon Lockhart in CoS,
how could they possibly not care, even joke about innocent Goblin dying because of them?

There are tons of examples for this in all the movies.
We do not see Kreacher change after he is being accepted and loved.
We do not ever see the Trio accept Neville and encourage him.
We do not see Harry step up to Rita Skeeter saying that it is OK for Hagrid to be a half-giant.
We never see Harry telling Luna and Neville they are cool at the beginning of HBP.

Furthemore, some of the messages are distorted in the movies.
I was pretty sick in GoF from Sirius and Dumbledore repeating stuff like
"Keep your friends close, Harry....You have got friends here, Harry..."

Sorry, but the books are not that cheesy.
Nobody ever talks aloud about friendship and how Harry should honor it.
Plus, the whole Sirius-in-the-fire scene.
I love this scene in the book. It explains a lot, Sirius is being very informative and he also lets Harry talk about how alone and frustrated Harry feels!

However, in the GoF movie, Sirius does NOTHING useful at all. He does not try to give Harry advice on the dragons. He does not explain Karkaroff or Berta. He
just says things like "...yeees..yeeess...very suspicious...oohh..keep your friends close Harry..."
That is pretty much the only advice Harry got from him and even that one was delivered cheesy.




That is about it...
P.S.:
To me, Kloves does not only ruin the Trio, he also changes other characters (DUMBLEDORE) and mixes them up.
Like givng Dumbledores lines and actions that would fit Neville or Hagrid.

[Alwayss]

I found that I had difficulty understanding what was going on in the movies until I finally read the books, and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. You shouldn't HAVE to read the books to understand what is going on in the movie. I think it's best to keep the movie as close to the book as possible to keep people from getting confused in parts, and I don't think they did that very well.

I know it's hard though since most of the books are very long, and it's hard to sum up everything within 2 hours. I think they did the best they could, but they probably could have done better in parts.