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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:06 am
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Was 18-year-old Harry also at Godric's Hollow that fateful night?

Time travel thoughts...

Was Harry's father at Godric's Hollow the night of Voldemort's attack?

PoA, U.S. paperback version, p 240-241:
"I heard my dad," Harry mumbled. "That's the first time I've ever heard him -- he tried to take on Voldemort himself, to give my mum time to run for it..." (This is the first time Harry has heard his father's voice--so he automatically assumes the voice is him.)

"You heard James?" said Lupin in a strange voice.

Harry then asks Lupin if he knew his father at school.

"I -- I did, as a matter of fact," said Lupin. "We were friends at Hogwarts..."
Lupin then changes the subject back to the patronus charm.

The other reason I'm suspicious is that during the filming of SS, I read somewhere(?) that JKR asked that James not be shown during the flash back scene that shows Lily being killed at GH. I do not have a link to prove this as fact, but maybe someone else remembers, or knows, where this thought originates from.

In the PoA movie this male voice is gone altogether. Did they not want the audience to recognize the voice of the person at GH?

What if the voice is time-turner Harry at Godric's Hollow?
(Before you say that Harry should recognize his own voice, remember that in PoA he is thirteen years old. By the time he would time travel to GH he will be eighteen.)

I had a dream last night that teenage Harry begins to remember what happened at Godric's Hollow, and realizes that he is the one that is telling Lily to run. (Yes, it's the Back-to-the-Future type movie scenario.)

Here my point --

Harry realizes that he was there (as a child and as an 18 year old). He goes back but cannot save Lily from death. (Snape is also there but he is one of the bad guys.) Eighteen year old Harry is killed there--because he saves Snape's life. Snape owes Harry. Because Harry looks like James, people assume that it is him in the rubble.
Snape carries Harry away and somehow puts a stopper on his death.

It would not be the first time that Harry mistook himself to be his father (end of PoA dementor scene).


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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:36 am
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I think that that is alittle far fetched...I don't think that JK was thinking that far in advance when she started writing the books...and she has a few more years of writing ahead of her...but one never knows...


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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:42 am
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If it was Harry's body in the rubble...then what happened to James?


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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:48 am
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There's definately some significance to how/when James died. Look at the end of GoF, when the echoes are coming out of the wand... in reverse order. James's echo comes out before Lily's, meaning that he died AFTER she did...

edit 8/12/04.... when I first made this post I was unware of the correction that was made in later books



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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:51 am
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If it was Harry's body in the rubble...then what happened to James?
things that could have happened to James:
Got killed a few months/years before
Was a death eater that was blown apart by an Arour
Basicly anything you can think of...


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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:58 am
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Harry would never call his mother "Lily, take Harry and go! It's him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off --"


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Old June 8th, 2004, 2:59 am
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things that could have happened to James:
Got killed a few months/years before
Was a death eater that was blown apart by an Arour
Basicly anything you can think of...
But, if James got killed months or years before Lily, Professor McGonagal wouldn't have said "The rumor is that the Potter's......well.....they're dead...."(Sorcerer's Stone), meaning that they both died the same night right? Also, If James was killed years before Lily, Harry wouldn't exist would he? He was 1 year old the night his parents died. That means that James had to have been alive within 9 months before Harry's birth.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:00 am
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Basicly anything you can think of...
Could it be that he was killed by a big chicken?


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:04 am
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then again, wormtail could have been walking up to the destroyed house, found the wand, heard someone coming behind him, seen it was james, killed him with an unexpected avada kadavera, went away and was found by sirius, sirius would have known that he'd killed james and then all the other stuff happened... basicly its all guess work and the only way you will know what she's thinking is to wait...


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:04 am
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Good theory!! It makes sense (kind of), even if it is a little far fetched. What if someone tells Harry that James wasn't there on that night? That would get Harry thinking, and at some point in the stories he might go back in time. When he gets there, there would be a PoA parallel where he is expecting to see his father, but then realises it's he (Harry) who needs to do something (in PoA its the patronus, here it is giving Lily time to do her thing). That would also fit in with the prophecy in a strange way, as it is Harry who was the power to vanquish the Dark Lord the first time (in the past). Maybe Neville is the one to vanquish him the second time (in the present)?

I'm just really rambling here but hey, nice theory!!



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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:06 am
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This is an interesting theory, although I think it needs some refinement.

It's possible that Harry could time-travel back to Godric's Hollow and be witness to the events that happened there. Ultimately, this may be how Harry destroys Voldemort. By killing Voldemort at Godric's Hollow and stopping him from killing his parents, Harry will effectively regain his life back.

There's a popular theory that Harry's scar will disappear at the end of Book Seven and if this happens, then this theory could explain why this is the case. Harry would have no scar, because he killed Voldemort before he had the opportunity to attack him.

Oh, and this also restores Alice and Frank Longbottom, and Sirius.

I'm going to head off and ponder this for a while.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:06 am
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This was very confusing the first time I read through what you were trying to say. Though the more I actually think of it, the more it makes sense (in a weird sort of way.) I dont think that JKR had been thinking this when she was writing the books but then again I dont expect that she thought people would read this far into books.

I suppose that this could be a reasonable explanation. But Im going to have to go back and re-look at the books. Now I am curious too....

Even if other people think that your idea is farfetched and what-not, i think its great. There are so many possibilities in these stories. And they are just here waiting 4 us to find....


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:08 am
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I never thought about that before. This would mean that in the end, Harry would have his parents and be living a normal wizard life, like he did before his parents were murdered.....Interesting!


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:10 am
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The director of PoA wanted to put a cementery near the school but JKR told him that he could not.

Full interview-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/tv...00/3758101.stm

Read below:
There's a scene where Malfoy wants to see Buckbeak being executed. ... ... I said 'Let's put a graveyard there'.

She says: 'No, you can't have a graveyard there'. And I'm like, 'Why?'

She says: 'Oh because the graveyard is near this other wing of the
castle and it's going to play an important part in number six because such and such and such.'

So why haven't the kids seen the graveyard yet? Will something important be discovered there in book 6? Is someone else of importance buried there?

Is it possible that Harry's parents are buried there, but that their headstones have different dates for the day they died. I think
James was probably killed a few days (or several hours) before GH.

Why would Lily and James be burried at Hogwarts?
Why not?
What if DD wanted to protect their bodies. If a piece of a subject's
hair is needed to make polyjuice potion, what else can be made with the bodies of the dead. Maybe, DD is taking care of their graves by ensuring that they aren't desecrated.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:11 am
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Theres a thread about the graveyard and the possibilities of Lily and James being there......

A cemetary at hogwarts?


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Brilliant theory but highly unlikely


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:14 am
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I see one huge problem with this theory if he does go back in time to Godric's Hollow, he has to live for seventeen yrs watching himself grow without being seen? that is how i understood time travel that there will be two Harry's in the world until they reach the time where he went back. It sort of boggles the mind, but that makes this theory a little hard to write in a final book, would seem to need more than seven books to finish this off.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:14 am
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There is also the fact, James came out of Voldemort's wand just after Lily. It was a grammatical error that had James coming out of the wand before Lily.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:16 am
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Harry would never call his mother "Lily, take Harry and go! It's him! Go! Run! I'll hold him off --"
Not necessarily. What if Lily, in her moment of panic, mistook Harry for James? They were in a hurry, afterall, and Harry being Harry and not James would take a fair bit of explaining.


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Old June 8th, 2004, 3:16 am
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I see one huge problem with this theory if he does go back in time to Godric's Hollow, he has to live for seventeen yrs watching himself grow without being seen? that is how i understood time travel that there will be two Harry's in the world until they reach the time where he went back. It sort of boggles the mind, but that makes this theory a little hard to write in a final book, would seem to need more than seven books to finish this off.

Not if he goes back to the future, or dies at GH.


 
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