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Old July 27th, 2003, 12:06 am
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Can the films help us determine what's important for future books?

I was thinking today about how much they take out of the movies. Like stuff that isn't seriously important, like in the first movie, for example. Compared to the book, there are any things taken out from the platform nine and three quarters one. Like how Harry met Fred and george when he helped him with his trunk (see book 1, chapter: The Journey from Platform 9 and 3/4) and how they introduce themselves and realise its him, then go out to tell thier mother and the other Weasley's.

From this I thought, those things must not be important. And like all movies that belong to Sequels, you must ( if you're a proper director/ editor etc.) you Simply CAN'T take out the important stuff ( like clues or important story line) and just simply pop it up in the middle fo another movie or at the end of the movie.

Like Fawks for example. They couldn't just take him out of the scene in the second movie where Harry sees him burn up and thinks he did it or something, and then just let him pop up as "Dumbledre's bird" in the climax where he helps harry in the Chamber and out of it. Now, could they? Nope. I don't think so at all. And also, they can't take out the whole thing in Olivanders where Mr. Oliviander himself says that he and Voldie share " brother" wands, and then in the 4th movie, sddenly pop that little fact in when thier wands connect in Priori Incantatum.

So, my pondering leads me to ask your opinions. Do you think that the movies can help us to sift through the ideas that we need and needn't know for the coming books, owing and of coarse taking into consideration the examples that I gave?

or should we just stay simple and wait fro the coming books before speculating things?


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Old July 27th, 2003, 12:10 am
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Well, in the very beginning of the first movie, when Mcgonnagal and Dumbeldore are talking, Hagrid doesnt mention that Sirius Black lent him the motorcycle, which I feel is important.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 12:14 am
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Yeah, I think so too, but when I saw that I assumed they;d mention that one in the Leaky cauldron episode where harry hides under the table cuz he snuck in. I was just re-readingthe third book yesterday and I was like " Oh yeah, they still have another chance to slip that one in without messing up the Hp dialogue completely!"


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Old July 27th, 2003, 12:20 am
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I dont understand why they left out the whole potion segment in the first movie. It sort of showed Hermione's true colors. Same thing with the devils snare. Why'd they change that outcome?


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Old July 27th, 2003, 5:24 am
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oh yeah at the end? OMG I was sooo incredible upset at they left that part out, I luved it!

and yeah, i wish they hadn't messed up the stuff with the devils snare. I liked when Ron asked her is she was a witch or not....quite cute. There's tonz of stuff in the second book too, tho I can't put my finger on em...i haven't seen the second movie for a while. I like the second book least of all, so I guess that's why.

* can't wait till POA comes out*


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Old July 27th, 2003, 7:27 am
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I REALLY like the movies, but it does annoy me sooo much that they sometimes change things in them, like the ending to the second movie was really different to the books. Another thing was the time in the second movie, when Ron and Harry were being chased by the spiders and all of a sudden the car rescues them. In the books, you realise beforehand that the car is in the forest, so its a bit less stupid, if you know what I mean.

But yeah, I do think that perhaps the parts that are in the films could help us see what's really important at the ends, but the same is true for the books. JKR never just throws stuff in, eg. Animagi are mentioned casually in the middle of the third book. The same will be true for the movies.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 11:21 am
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They could have at least done things accurate. Wasnt the Basilisk supposed to be red?


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Old July 27th, 2003, 1:47 pm
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No, the basilik is green.
Book Two, chapter 17, The Heir of Slytherin
"The enormous serpent, bright, poisonous green, thick as an oak trunk..."

Also in ch. 16 the snake skin that was shedded is described as poisonous green.

CoS is my least favorite also. I started to watch the movie again after reading OoP, but haven't finished. So far though, nothing has popped out at me.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 1:54 pm
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yeah, i wasn't too pleased with what the basilisk looked like either and I've only seen the movie once outside of the theaters. I'm really not fond of it at all, and I;ve read CoS least of all the books. I do think, however that it has a lot of things init that are crucial to the plot.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 4:09 pm
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Oh it was green? Okay.

At least COS teaches a lesson on racism (did I spell that right?).

Hey I like this thread.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 5:10 pm
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The potions wasn't left out entirely it was severely edited.
Ever since listening to the Rowling/Kloves interview
I've been looking at the films with a slightly different POV.
Example -- Harry's eye colour. There's been a lot of moaning on the net about Radcliffe's eyes being blue not green and a lot of theories about the signifigance of the colour green. But since Rowling didn't indicate that Harry's eyes "had" to be green
maybe it doesn't play as big a part in the books as some might think.
And I have wondered if the toning down of Snape is a bit of an indication of what side he's on and where he's going to wind up. That should be clearer after POA.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 6:21 pm
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Interesting . . . although personally, I think nothing is more important than the color green.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 7:16 pm
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I remember an interview (I think it was fairly recent - maybe on the CoS DVD?) with JKR in which she said that CoS (the book) was very important to the overall plot, and that she knew the filmmakers had had a time of it trying to fit in everything that would be important in the future without drawing attention to the fact that these things were important. I guess she meant stuff like the Weasley's car which will undoubtably show up again in book 6 or 7. Sooo yeah, I think the movies hold clues to important events in future.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 8:20 pm
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I try not to think of the movies and the books as exactly the same things. I like the movies, I guess, but not nearly as much as I like the books. When I'm trying to figure out what might be important, I definately look to the books instead of the movies.

Books have always been changed when they're made into movies. Look at LOTR as an example that's hapening right now (cough cough Arwen cough cough).

Just don't worry about it! Look at the movies as just nice extras that come with the books.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:37 pm
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I don't like the movies very much at all, and I am still debating whether or not to see the third one. Admittedly, I did recently watch CoS, but that was only because I needed an Alan Rickman fix, and that was the only thing on Pay Per View that he was in I really try not to let the movie interfere with my perceptions of the book, especially because I feel they have left out some very important things.
Someone mentioned the "toning down" of Snape in the CoS movie; that's mainly because Snape has a very minor role in the book (which doesn't do much for my cravings). They actually included most of the Snape scenes.
Oh, and I agree with aggiemuggle. What was with Arwen?!?


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:43 pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lorna
The potions wasn't left out entirely it was severely edited.
Ever since listening to the Rowling/Kloves interview
I've been looking at the films with a slightly different POV.
Example -- Harry's eye colour. There's been a lot of moaning on the net about Radcliffe's eyes being blue not green and a lot of theories about the signifigance of the colour green. But since Rowling didn't indicate that Harry's eyes "had" to be green
maybe it doesn't play as big a part in the books as some might think.
And I have wondered if the toning down of Snape is a bit of an indication of what side he's on and where he's going to wind up. That should be clearer after POA.

yeah, i aggree. But it leaves me to wonder, how they are going to tone down Snape wanting to turn Sirius in at the end of POA, because he was going to get An Order of merlin is he did, and he didn't end up doing so.There's so much malice in him at the end in the Shreiking Shack. I'm curious to see how that all turns out.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:44 pm
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Just don't worry about it! Look at the movies as just nice extras that come with the books.

no one's worried.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:45 pm
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Yeah. The whole Arwen thing was blown out of proportion. They embellished it to the point of gross, just cuz she's whats-his-name's daughter.


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:47 pm
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I still think they shouldnt have had hermione say voldemort so early . . . but i guess i'll have to get over that eventually right?


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Old July 27th, 2003, 10:48 pm
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Elrond or elron i dont remember.

His daughter.


 
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