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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:22 am
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Well, the only way voldy would know is if he used legilimency, but snape obviously can use occlumency against him, so he doesn't know if he's lying.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:34 am
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I was really surprised to hear stuff like Lucius Malfoy having a good opinion of him and that he might actually pretend to be a deatheater. I mean, LV was on the back of Quirrels head the whole time in the PS. All I can figure is that he uses his talent for occlumency and said that he was just like the rest of the DE's and lied to get out of time in Aakaban.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 3:46 pm
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The fact that Voldemort says he "believes" has left me forever could be a clue to the fact that if it is Snape, he's (and I hope it's not true) a double agent because he could come back to serve the DE cause.

Do they officially name the placement of every DE in the "rebirth" circle? If Snape was there he might be unamed, just so we are left wondering about his loyalties.

This could all be a major red herring, just to through us off the trail. If the DE's never knew all who was in the membership, then there are DE's that we also do not know about.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 3:59 pm
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If Voldemort thought that Snape was a spy he would have already tried to have him killed. Perhaps Voldemort doesn't know.... I believe Sanpe is truly on Dumbledore's side and would never go back to Voldy. We still have to wonder what Dumbledore sent Snape to do at the end of Goblet of Fire. I think Snape is just spying on the Death Eaters and is keeping well away from Voldy.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:07 pm
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Do they officially name the placement of every DE in the "rebirth" circle? If Snape was there he might be unamed, just so we are left wondering about his loyalties.
It seems unlikely Snape was there though, since he was not mentioned to leave the premises of Hogwarts (which would also be highly suspicious when an event like the Triwizard Tournament is going on). If he remained on the Hogwarts Grounds, then he could not possibly have Apparated to Voldemort's side. Personally, I always thought the following excerpt was referring to Karkaroff and Snape:

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Originally Posted by Voldemort
"One too cowardly to return... he will pay (Karkaroff). One, who I believe has left me for ever... he will be killed, of course... (Snape)"
As far as I know, the reason Voldemort did not go after Snape yet is because first he needed to regain a physical form, and his next objective was to get Harry into the Department of Mysteries and acquire for him the Prophecy.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:09 pm
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Ture but if it was me I'd want to get the people that betayed me first before I worried about anything else.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:16 pm
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In Book 5 it is made very clear to us that Snape is in fact a spy for the Order, when Harry has his little lesson in Snape's office... If he'd gone though the whole year being a spy, there are only three logical explanations:
1. Voldemort doesn't know Snapes a spy
2. Voldemort does know Snape's a spy, and has been able to lure Snape back into his circle
3. Voldemort does know Snape's a spy, and he has threaten him into double-spying

I think Snape is loyal to the Order, and isn't a double-spy, which only leaves the option of Voldemort not knowing about his spy-work....


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:17 pm
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But you were never disembodied by a one-year old, were you? Nor are you an extremely powerful wizard who seeks world-domination?

I hope

Edit:

Jordan: but how does that proves my theory wrong?


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:20 pm
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Well, I think it's possible (and I say only possible) that Snape is a metamorphmagus or is using polyjuice potion to be someone else in order to spy. But, it would definately not be Crouch Jr. The Dementors are in league with Voldemort and it was a Dementor that killed Crouch Jr. Now wouldn't the Dementor tell Voldemort that he's dead?
If he was indeed a metamorphmagus wouldn't he do something for his hair ? No, seriousy, metamorphmagus are born so he could have hade a better chilhood without this nose and hair, don't you think ?


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:22 pm
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In Book 5 it is made very clear to us that Snape is in fact a spy for the Order, when Harry has his little lesson in Snape's office... If he'd gone though the whole year being a spy, there are only three logical explanations:
1. Voldemort doesn't know Snapes a spy
2. Voldemort does know Snape's a spy, and has been able to lure Snape back into his circle
3. Voldemort does know Snape's a spy, and he has threaten him into double-spying

I think Snape is loyal to the Order, and isn't a double-spy, which only leaves the option of Voldemort not knowing about his spy-work....
Or, Voldemort doens't know if he is a spy or not and he's trying to find out...


and just because.... because ! : Snape rocks don't you think ! That's a mess he's in !


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:25 pm
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Mopsus:
that's just it! Voldemort doesn't even know Snape left him... The one who has left him forever could be anyone, but if it was Snape, he would have killed him already, when nobody was watching, and Sanpe wouldn't have been able to spy on him throughout the fifth book........


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:26 pm
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I dont know why he hasent already found out cos he knows snape works for dumbledore and he can do legacy<sp?>


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:28 pm
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Nymph,
Yeah....I totaly agree, Snape is smart,
But I think Voldemort doest yet know of his spying, and when he does, it should be a sad (or happy: you choose... (: ) end for Snape...


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:48 pm
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while we're at it.... Snape could be using the Imperius curse on say Crabbe(he's stupid) and using an indirect way of spying. All he does is tell Crabbe to report all of Voldemort's movements to Snape.

Polyjuices Potion would also work... Snape's deffinatly skilled enough to make it and he knows enough Occulmency to keep Voldy out of his head. Or perhaps Snape plant's different memories and things in his own head to make sure that his cover isen't blown.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:57 pm
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Polyjuices Potion would also work... Snape's deffinatly skilled enough to
Plus Snape had the ingredients for Polyjuice potion in his private stores. Obviously as a Potions Master, he would have more complex ingredients, but he had sufficient quantities of the required ingredients. Snape also knew that those particular ingredients had been stolen, unless he was just doing inventory, couldn't it be possible that he discovered the missing ingredients because he went to brew Polyjuice himself?

Which leads us to another question, if he is using Polyjuice, who is he transforming into?


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Old June 28th, 2004, 4:58 pm
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while we're at it.... Snape could be using the Imperius curse on say Crabbe(he's stupid) and using an indirect way of spying. All he does is tell Crabbe to report all of Voldemort's movements to Snape.
If Snape has to resort to such tricks that'd directly imply that he's no longer in Voldemort's favour. If that be the case , he wouldn't live to tell Crabbe's tales.

Polyjuice Potion is a much better theory though. Snape's really capable of pulling that off. But that'd mean some Death Eater's gotta be out of the way. Maybe DD's holding somebody like Goyle who wasn't at the MoM (or was it Crabbe?) under the Imperius curse just like crouch jr. did


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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:03 pm
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Plus Snape had the ingredients for Polyjuice potion in his private stores. Obviously as a Potions Master, he would have more complex ingredients, but he had sufficient quantities of the required ingredients. Snape also knew that those particular ingredients had been stolen, unless he was just doing inventory, couldn't it be possible that he discovered the missing ingredients because he went to brew Polyjuice himself?

Which leads us to another question, if he is using Polyjuice, who is he transforming into?
No the missing ingredients were taken before Voldy came back so there would be no need for Snape to take it then. Also Barty Crouch Jr. was taking them.

He could be transforming into anyone... Karkaroff maybe?? or just someone new... a muggle perhaps. It would make more sence for him to be transforming into a DE though... otherwise Voldy wouldn't let Snape into his inner circle.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:03 pm
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I think he knows it because in the 4th book he said something that maybe is about snape...in my book (italian) is at page 554 and there Voldemort said that one of his Death Eaters had left him forever and that he would die for this reason...


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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:04 pm
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If Snape has to resort to such tricks that'd directly imply that he's no longer in Voldemort's favour. If that be the case , he wouldn't live to tell Crabbe's tales.
Why wouldn't he live to tell Crabbe's tales??? if he just puts the curse on him he could control him from miles away like Voldy did with Crouch SR.


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Old June 28th, 2004, 5:06 pm
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I think he knows it because in the 4th book he said something that maybe is about snape...in my book (italian) is at page 554 and there Voldemort said that one of his Death Eaters had left him forever and that he would die for this reason...
That could be anyone... we all assume it's Snape but it could have been me for crying out loud.


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