Book Two "Key" to Series?

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Originally posted by Sinistra
About McGonnagall and Riddle, in the Lexicon it speculates that McGonnagall was born ca. 1920, and Riddle in 1927. So if those dates are right, She would have been a seventh year when Tom was a first year. Little possibility of their having much to do with each other.

McGonnagall could be younger, but still, there is little mixing of years except for those one year apart. My private theory--aided by the plaque in the first movie--is that McGonnagall had a child who was murdered or harmed by Voldemort, and that's why she is so against him.

thanks for the insights. if she had a child, can he possibly be around lucious malfoy/arthur weasley's age? or sirius/james/remus? how about the idea of her child became a death eater like barty crouch jr.?

p/s: anyone can tell me some theories on why draco tear a page from a book in flourish & blotts in the 2nd movie? or he's just plain evil? am i in the right thread?

[daniel4hp]

I think there might be a thread on that in Muggle Media, or if not, then you could mention it in the CoS Reviews. Basically, I think it was just a little extra thing thrown in to show that he doesn't have much respect for things...

[dracofan]

in a chat JK mention at the release of Goblet of Fire that Mcgonnagol is 70 years old. At that time Voldemort would be 67 years old. I figure there are 3 years separating them.

Mcgonnagol 70 years old in book 4
mcgonnagol 69 years old in book 3
Mcgonnagol 68 years old in book 2

68- 50 years since the chamber was opened by Tom riddle would make her 18. She could have possibly been a 7th year or had just left school the year before. Either way there were 3 years difference between them as tom Riddle was 15 when the chamber was opened.

Am I making sense.

[supergirly]

Not just Knockturn Alley, but Hagrid being there - did anyone else feel that he was making up that 'slug repelent' line in the film, as though covering- he had no bag with him, did he? Also eyes - the basillisc's powerful eyes, being blinded or blind, (metaphorically speaking,) aragog being blind - what power do eyes hold? The invisibility cloak and Dumbldore seeing through it - just what is the extent of his powers? And why Ginny - why did Lucius want her to have the diary if it was Harry Voldemort was aiming for? Just some of my rambling thoughts - more to follow, sadly!

O.K. just read other posts - here it comes . . .

1. How did Ginny know that Harry had the diary to raid his room when she hadn't seen it and Tom couldn't tell her?

and

2. About the whole McGonagal thing. With the age difference, you say she and Riddle would have had little to do with each other but think about Ginny, and the others - she's younger but has a connection to Harry and Hermione etc, because she's Ron's sister. Maybe McGonagal had a younger sister in the same year as Riddle. Maybe that sister died . . . maybe she haunts a bathroom?!

[daniel4hp]

Yes, why was Hagrid down Knockturn Alley? Surely you could get sufficient gardening supplies in Diagon Alley...

[Snitch8130]

On how Ginny knew Harry had the dairy, In the book on valintines day Harry's bag was ripped from the little cupid trying to get Harry to hold still so he could sing the song Ginny had wrote. On hagrid no didnt belive the whole thing with slug repelent cause latter on in the movie he e held up a can that looked like it had been through lord knows what, also he wouldnt tell Harry and Ron who he waiting for when he had his crossbow drawn in his hut and he used the crossbow to open the door every time durring that scene.

[Mickey]

Maybe Hagrid is having dealings with shady people down Knockturn Alley, like trying to get yet another illegal animal, but he doesn't entirely trust this person, hence the armed crossbow?

[bjackm]

I like your location Mickey. Very proper name for it, West Coast.

Anyways, yeah, I thought it was kind of suspicious with the whole slug repelant thing. I'm mean, they brought it up in the movie twice, so it must be important somehow.

Cool I made a thread that has over 100 posts!

[Mickey]

It's what folks from the rest of the US call us, as if the entire area is comprised of Berkeley and San Francisco (um, there *are* other cities in California, you know ).

Back OT. Hagrid never seems to know how to lie convincingly. He either lets things slip when he'd be better off keeping quiet, or he lies so obviously no one believes him.

[Sinistra]

I just saw CoS again yesterday, and I thought the book Draco tore the page from was Hogwarts: A History. If it was that book, it was way to small given what JKR has said about it (1000+ pages). Anyhow, can anyone substantiate this? If it was Hogwarts: A History, then there's foreshadowing, that Draco knows about the Chamber and what it will do. (We'll probably have to wait for the DVD and pause on a big high resolution screen.)

I also saw Hagrid's dodgy look when he told Harry why he was down Knockturn Alley. He does show up later with the slug repellant, so it could be real, but I guess it was also dodgy. That part was left in, after all, and not the part about Draco and Lucius in Borgen and Burkes. So Hagrid in Knockturn Alley is important in some way to the rest of the series.

As to Hagrid's crossbow, I imagine he was waiting for whoever really opened the chamber of secrets, or maybe that particular monster (whatever it was, because nobody knew what it was at that time) or alternatively, hit wizards to take him out or something.

[supergirly]

With the whole 'Hagrid and the cross-bow' thing, I think he feared that someone would find out that was what he'd been expelled for, (a pupil like Malfoy for example,) and come after him. Either that, or he thought it might be the dementors coming back to give him the dreaded kiss. What do you think?

[timmay]

i have never understood why it was hermonie who figured everything out and not 1 of the teachers.
there cant be all that many things out there that can petrify things.

Hagrid down knockturn ally, objects tht have dark powers work both ways it depends on who is weilding them.
its the case of guns dont kill people, people kill people.

and sadly my divx COS hant got the resolution for me to see the book that Dracos reading.

oh and Harry was writing in the diary in the common room so i guess ginny saw him there. or she might have seen him in the corrodore when his bag split open.

[DragonslayerX]

Originally posted by timmay
i have never understood why it was hermonie who figured everything out and not 1 of the teachers.
there cant be all that many things out there that can petrify things.

Hagrid down knockturn ally, objects tht have dark powers work both ways it depends on who is weilding them.
its the case of guns dont kill people, people kill people.

and sadly my divx COS hant got the resolution for me to see the book that Dracos reading.

oh and Harry was writing in the diary in the common room so i guess ginny saw him there. or she might have seen him in the corrodore when his bag split open.

well, in the book, she saw it when his bag split open...so i assume its the same way in the movie...though it wasnt shown

[supergirly]

Timmay - you raise a very valid point. If almost all of the teachers where at school when Old Moany' Mert. was killed, why the heck did none of them think . . . I wonder if it was a bloomin' great snake again!! Snape saw that Harry could speak Parsel tongue at the duelling club - all of the pupils freaked coz they guessed that this must have some link with the chamber and yet it didn't dawn on Snape that this might be useful for controlling the monster?!!!

[Sinistra]

There are other things and people that can petrify. The teachers had the students and school on their minds. And Dumbledore leaving. So they all had extra duties while he was gone, plus patrols.

And Harry and Co. are the heroes of the book, so how fun would that be if they watched while the teachers figured it all out?

And they didn't know what killed Myrtle. She was dead. Just dead, and they didn't know why or how.

[supergirly]

But she must have died at the time when the chamber was opened, so they must have suspected a connection, surely? This kind of thing worries me!

[Sherlock Holmes]

You would think so, wouldn't you? Here's another thing...the attacks stopped after Riddle exposed Hagrid, but in fact Hagrid's spider was not the monster. And the school apparently did not close. So the basilisk was never found. Maybe everyone just breathed a sigh of relief when the attacks stopped and decided not to fix what ain't broke (anymore). Like Sinistra said, I guess the teachers were too busy to do the library research like Hermione did.

[DragonslayerX]

and no one knew harry was hearing the voices, except ron and herm. remember, he didnt tell anyone? so, why would anyone assume that the parseltongue was key to controlling the monster? everyone just assumed harry was the heir becuz slytherin was parseltongue, too...but surely he knew how to control other monsters, as well. and, they thought the spider was the monster, becuz hagrid was caught with it, and riddle closed the chamber after that.

[JoFaye]

It's not book 2, but don't you think Crookshanks has the potential to be more inportant to the plot?

[DragonslayerX]

i personally think everyone that has been developed in the series will have a major role in the plot in one form or another. obviously, some will have more important roles, though