Book Two "Key" to Series?

[codswallop]

Thought on book 2, also my least favorite book.

things that stick out:

1. It's our choices versus abilities (wormtail)

2. the fact that house elves can apparate/disapparate within hogwarts

3. Colin Creevy

4. Tom Riddle is a half-blood

5. The background of the houses

6. Fawkes

7. The significance of ghosts

8. Dooby's promise to never try to save Harry's life again

[Elrod Ubramowic]

Originally Posted by Essbee

Hmm, good thought about the Chamber of Secrets.

I've often wondered why Harry didn't think to use the Chamber for DA meetings. OK, so the Room of Requirement was ten times better, but before they knew about that... I would've thought it would have been perfect - only Harry can open the chamber because only he can speak Parseltongue. So there's no chance of them or any lists (lol) being discovered in there. Umbridge certainly wouldn't be able to find them!

It makes me wonder if it won't be mentioned again... I like the idea that it holds more surprises for Harry and co. Of course, I'm also in the 'second basilisk' camp, so that's a big part of my ideas...

As for Dobby, I've also wondered whether he's told anything about the Malfoys. Not that there's too much to be gained from it now I wouldn't think, what with Lucius in prison and all!

Sneaking that many students into and out of Moaning Myrtle's out-of-order bathroom would have been very difficult given its location in a well traveled corridor. Also, how would the students get up the pipes from the CoS to the bathroom? Fawkes would not likely be available as a taxi service. Only Harry, the parselmouth, could open the entry in the restroom and at the end of the passageway, and it would be difficult to coordinate with arrivals and departures meant to be kept clandestine. Finally, we don't know what other enchantments, more likely curses, Slytherin may have left on the CoS. I don't think the CoS would have been a practical place to conduct DADA training,

As far as Dobby spilling Malfoy family secrets, I think Winky's loyalty to young Barty Crouch, who has just admitted killing his father, is meant to demonstrate just how powerful the magic is that binds house-eves to their masters. She wouldn't betray one family member despite his betrayal of the family. Dobby's self-imposed punishments for revealing cryptic information about his master's plan also provides evidence how difficult it is for Dobby, the most independent thinking house-elf, to provide hints about his master. I don't think Dobby will be asked for additional information on the Malfoys as he will have to punish himself to reveal it.

[Evelien19]

Some things that I think might be influential:

1) Hagrid being framed by Tom
2) Ginny being possesed by Voldemort
3) Fawkes
4) Gryffindor's sword

There's that Hand of Glory too, the one which Malfoy was eying in the shop in Knockturn Alley. Maybe it will show up again...

[LilyEvare]

One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned is Celestina Warbeck. Rumours are flying everywhere about her and she was first mentioned in book 2.

"Books were stacked three deep on the mantelpiece, books with titles like Charm Your Own Cheese, Enchantment in Baking, and One Minute Feasts- It's Magic! And unless Harry's ears were deceiving him, the old radio next to the sink had just annouced that coming up was 'Witching Hour', with the popular singing sorceress, Celestina Warbeck" ~CoS UK verison pg. 31 (Ch. 3 The Burrow)

Even though some characters mentioned in passing are nothing (Mark Evans) others are important (Sirius Black and Mrs. Figg) Normally I would not have thought twice about Warbeck being mentioned. However on JKR's site in the rumours section there is an ad stating:

"The Singing Sorceress: Celestina Warbeck in concert! The sorcerers saucepot is offering 3 additional tourdates on the 11th, 12th, and 13th of this month. Anti Muggle Scurity"

There is also a "no-smoking" style image stating no muggles. Also in those ads is one for Borgin and Burkes and for the book "Charm Your Own Cheese" (though I can't imagine the book being anything crucial.) Still the mention of 3 things in passing that are now being advertised on her site is a bit odd.

(Quick note in regards to other books that mention her. She is mentioned briefly in Quidditch Through the Ages because of her recording the Puddlemere United team anthem to help St. Mungos which does not seem to be the most trustworthy of places.)

[delvine2001]

I don't think Moaning Myrtle was killed by the Basilisk because she would have seen it through her glasses and as Colin saw it through his camera, Hermione used a mirror and Justin saw it through Nearly Headless Nick, she should not have been killed just petrified.

If this is true then Harry could not have possibly been killed by the Basilisk just petrified, because he has glasses.

[katie]

However it would still have been pretty unpleasant to be petrified so i can understand why he made sure he didn't look at the basilisk

[Tom Bombadil]

Some things that I think might be influential:

1) Hagrid being framed by Tom
2) Ginny being possesed by Voldemort
3) Fawkes
4) Gryffindor's sword

There's that Hand of Glory too, the one which Malfoy was eying in the shop in Knockturn Alley. Maybe it will show up again...

I think the hand is significant. It was mentioned in the shop and also, when Lupin was doing the boggart thing someones, I can't remember who, boggart was a hand twitching and curling on the ground. Besides the fact that it has a name, that part in the movie where Dumbledore said something about turning on a light and the hand being a light to only the holder is significant.

[Essbee]

You know, I always wondered about glasses. Because surely, if wearing glasses stopped the Basilisk from killing you then Dumbledore would have just told all the students to wear glasses? I'm sure that Dumbledore figured out what was in the Chamber if Hermione did. Maybe it has to be a certain thickness before it dilutes the Basilisk's powers enough.

I know that the Chamber wouldn't have been an ideal place for meetings, I was just surprised that Harry didn't even think about it. Even if only to dismiss the idea again due to impracticality - I still think he should have thought about it.

If you watch the CoS film then Harry really has a thing about hands in general. Everytime he comes across someone petrified he examines the hand - Justin and Hermione, and he examines the Hand of Glory too. I'm sure it means something, though I'm not sure what...

[Turiya]

Uhm, glasses won't protect you against the basilisk. The persons who were merly petrified all saw only the Reflection of the Basilisk.
Glasses don't show you an reflected image, wereas a camera does (At least the good ones, where you look through the seeker (is it called so in english?) and the light gets projected by two mirrors and then through the same lenses which take the Image.).

[Elrod Ubramowic]

Originally Posted by delvine2001

I don't think Moaning Myrtle was killed by the Basilisk because she would have seen it through her glasses and as Colin saw it through his camera, Hermione used a mirror and Justin saw it through Nearly Headless Nick, she should not have been killed just petrified.

If this is true then Harry could not have possibly been killed by the Basilisk just petrified, because he has glasses.

Colin's Muggle camera could have been a common single lens reflex type in which a mirror reflects the view through the camera lens into the viewfinder.

[Sharpturn]

I think it might be the heir of Slytherin thing. It was the secondary focus of the book if you look at it the right way. Maybe whoever turns out to be the heirs of the other houses will be a main part of books to come. Like they all have to save the school.

The heir of Gryffindor, would probably be Ron, as Harry would most likely be heir of Slytherin for the sake of the book because he has a connection with the Dark Lord. Also, it cannot be Hermione, because she's a mud.. I mean muggle-born.

But thats just me. Go and believe what you want

[aggiefan1206]

Well as far as the movie goes Ron/Hermione is being foreshadowed big time. Some of Rons comments in the book could be foreshadowing. Snape i dobut will get the DADA any time soon. Mabe the part Harry says about being in sixth year mabe he will get into snapes class. SOmething in the chamber will most likely be something important.

I agree with alot of what yall have said I definatly think that Ginny and Fawkes. Great job to everyone so far its hard to think of other things that could be clues

[Essbee]

But Justin, who saw the Basilisk through Nearly Headless Nick, wasn't seeing a reflection, was he?

[Nrv4evr]

I didn't really have the time to read 38+ pages, so forgive me if I'm posting an already formulated theory.

Slight spoiler warning:

Spoiler: show

Having just read the official site, some interesting things have come up. The biggest being the significance of HBP to the series. Rowling has said that HBP is basically an overall story of the present plot, with revelations to unsolved questions in ALL the books. The connection between Chamber and HBP has nothing to do with the actual person, rather, it's just a little discovery Harry made in Chamber that foreshadows a big event in HBP.

So, I think it opens up a whole new way of thinking for us, and perhaps new clues will turn up. Good will hunting, guys, and godspeed.

Again, I apologize if anyone else has already come across this theory, I tried search but I can only search for threads, not posts within threads.

[Nrv4evr]

If you read the website at jkrowling.com, she pretty much told us that Tom is not the HBP.

[SiriusBlack22]

Isn't it obvious that the reason it's key to the series is because

Spoiler: show

Tom Riddle was a big part in it; He is the HBP; He will come back and turn into LV once again. That would be why she wanted to call CoS HBP...

PS/SS and HBP are the only titles w/o an 'of'

[wavy]

Originally Posted by Nrv4evr

If you read the website at jkrowling.com, she pretty much told us that Tom is not the HBP.

Not true. Unless something has changed in the last couple weeks, she said it wasn't Harry or Voldemort. Who's to say that rules out Tom Riddle?

We got a lot about Tom Riddle in COS but she left out how exactly Tom Riddle became Voldemort. Was it as simple as telling folks - "uh, guys, I'm going to go by Voldemort now, so if you call me Tom, I won't answer you" - or was it something more involved, like a transformation. If so, the HBP could have been Riddle prior to the transformation.

I'm with SiriusBlack22 on this. I think that is exactly right.

[GreenEyedGoddes]

Sorry I have not read through this whole thread, if I say something that has been said many times before (in the words of brian Adams) "Please forgive me, I know not what I do, Please forgive me I can't stope lov'n you..." Um sorry. Yeah any way.

Cos is by far my least favorite book. It has always felt different then the others in the series whenever I deside to read it. So I wasn't at all surpised that it holds alot of the keys to the sereis. Some of the keys are fairly obvious.

1. Introduction to the bigotry inside the wizarding world towards "mudbloods" and such.
2. House elves make their first appearance.
3. Harry goes to the Burrow for the first time.
3. Tom Riddle comes into play.
4. We meet Fudge and hear of Azkaban.

But other things also may be very important that we only glanced but didn't here about again.

1. Knockturn Alley. (Even if the hand of glory doesn't come into play I pretty sure the Alley it's self will.
2. The Granger's. Are first and as of yet only meeting with Hermione's parents.
3. The creepy spider thing, and the flying car.

So those are the clues . Can't wait to see which ones are right.

[skistar123]

JKR said about a discovery in the chamber of secrets which will link to a discovery in book 6.
He discoveres that Tom Riddle aka Voldemort was the Heir of Slytherin- the last decendant of Slytherin (is that right?). Maybe in book 6 he discovers that he's the Heir of Gryffindor.
I think that maybe there's a possibility that Gryffindor and Slytherin, when they had their argument, tried to destroy one another. Maybe it is Harry and Voldemort's job to finish of this battle.
Rather than being a battle just between these two, it has become something that everyone feels involved in.

Originally Posted by GreenEyedGoddes

1. Introduction to the bigotry inside the wizarding world towards "mudbloods" and such.
2. House elves make their first appearance.
3. Harry goes to the Burrow for the first time.
3. Tom Riddle comes into play.
4. We meet Fudge and hear of Azkaban.

But other things also may be very important that we only glanced but didn't here about again.

1. Knockturn Alley. (Even if the hand of glory doesn't come into play I pretty sure the Alley it's self will.
2. The Granger's. Are first and as of yet only meeting with Hermione's parents.
3. The creepy spider thing, and the flying car.

Although i agree with what you are saying, in my opinion, alot of this is general things about the wizarding world that are being introduced to us. It is only the second book so we still don't know as much and i think JKR was just trying to inform us.

I don't agree with what you have said about the Grangers, i recently read the fifth book and Mr Weasley is seen talking to the Grangers at the end of the book.

We met Fudge and heard of Azkaban in book 2 as a preparation for book 3, likewise we 'met' Sirius in book 1 to prepare us for book 3.

It is possible that that is what Knockturnalley is doing in the second book and i think we should expect to hear about it again.

[rjade829]

Originally Posted by wavy

Not true. Unless something has changed in the last couple weeks, she said it wasn't Harry or Voldemort. Who's to say that rules out Tom Riddle?

Well she updated her FAQ today, and made it pretty clear that Tom Riddle is not the HBP.