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Old July 26th, 2004, 6:28 pm
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Not true. Unless something has changed in the last couple weeks, she said it wasn't Harry or Voldemort. Who's to say that rules out Tom Riddle?
DOH!! Wouldn't you know it. Foiled again!

Well, at least Mark Evans is out, too and we don't have to speculate about that any more.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 1:25 am
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But something Harry discovered in CoS will lead to the HBP. So what is that? The hat, the sword, the Hand of Glory?


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Old July 27th, 2004, 1:39 am
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The thing I saw as most important is dumbledore telling harry that Voldemort had transfered some of his powers to him. Quote

"Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" said Harry said, thunderstruck.

"It certainly seems so" Dumbledore


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Old July 27th, 2004, 1:47 am
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The thing I saw as most important is dumbledore telling harry that Voldemort had transfered some of his powers to him. Quote

"Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" said Harry said, thunderstruck.

"It certainly seems so" Dumbledore
True, but how does that lead Harry to the HBP?


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Old July 27th, 2004, 2:03 am
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The hand of glory is a good possibility as far as being important in book 6. I think that the Malvoy's secret passage under the drawing room and the valuable dark magic items within may be too. I still don't understand how folks are suggesting Tom Riddle is the HBP...He IS Voldemort, they're the same person...all Riddle did was change his name when he became the dark lord. Snape has a secret too, love potions were mentioned and isn't there something JKR said in an interview about him and a romance. By the way, he's probably a vampire, the Chamber of Secrets is where he was referred too as swooping down on a group of students like a bat.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 2:32 am
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what is the hand of glory


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Old July 27th, 2004, 2:48 am
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The hand of glory is a good possibility as far as being important in book 6. I think that the Malvoy's secret passage under the drawing room and the valuable dark magic items within may be too. I still don't understand how folks are suggesting Tom Riddle is the HBP...He IS Voldemort, they're the same person...all Riddle did was change his name when he became the dark lord. Snape has a secret too, love potions were mentioned and isn't there something JKR said in an interview about him and a romance. By the way, he's probably a vampire, the Chamber of Secrets is where he was referred too as swooping down on a group of students like a bat.
JKR has said definitively that Tom Riddle isn't the HBP on her website today. She said that they are the same person.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 10:07 am
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The way I interpret JK's latest hint, I think it means that Harry discovers something in CoS that will affect something in the storyline in book six, but not something to do with the HBP himself - another plot in the book, so-to-speak.

So we're left with, I think:
1. Hermione turning into a cat using the polyjuice potion. This could be foreshadowing Mrs Norris (though I doubt it) or Hermione or someone else becoming an animagi. Or something about Crookshanks or one of Mrs Figg's cats.
2. Hagrid in Knockturn Alley
3. An object that appears in this book that will come back, i.e. Godric's sword, Riddle's school things, the Chamber, the hand of glory...


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Old July 27th, 2004, 3:12 pm
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I don't know! Harry also finds out about Aragog! I have been thinking and I really think it is some thing to do with the sword though!


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Old July 27th, 2004, 3:16 pm
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Counting on JK, the thing that Harry found in the chamber will be something that none of us would have thought would have any significance. The only think I think would, would be Godric's sword. But I'm not making any predicitions...


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Old July 27th, 2004, 3:17 pm
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I think it's the sword, and Dumbledore's saying that only a true Gryffindor could've pulled that out of the hat.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 4:23 pm
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I think Fawkes coming to Harry and the sword.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 4:31 pm
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The only think I think would, would be Godric's sword
I agree, we have been reminded about time-turners in book 5 and also, at one of the DA meetings about "the sword" in Dumbledore's office.

I don't think the hand of glory is a likely one, but maybe.
I think from the wording on JKR's web site is that it's something he finds in the actual chamber (I could be wrog though). The only things he finds in the chamber are:
Ginny
Diary
Tom Riddle [Memory]
Basilisk
Salizar Slytherin statue
Godric Gryffindor's sword
He knew about the Basilisk (Hermione's note) and Ginny (writing on the wall), so he was expecting to find those. The diary was destroyed, as was the Tom Riddle memory. Which leaves the statue and the sword. I think the sword is more likely...and we were reminded of it in OotP.


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Old July 27th, 2004, 4:39 pm
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JKR said something Harry discovered in the Chamber foreshadows the events of HBP.

FIRST IDEA:
In the Chamber of Secrets, Harry discovered that revenge against Harry has become the most important thing to Riddle/Voldemort. To quote: "Haven't I already told you... that killing mudbloods doesn't matter to me anymore? For many months now, my new target has been - you."

This is perhaps very obvious, but this seems to clearly foreshadow things to come when Voldemort regains power.

SECOND IDEA:
The passage where Riddle explains his... Mmm "relationship" ... with Ginny is interesting. "I was patient. I was kind. Ginny simply *loved* me.... I've always been able to charm the people I needed.... I grew stronger on a diet of her... fears, her darkest secrets... Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of *my* secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul into *her*..."

This discovery of how R/V works could also foreshadow events to come. Maybe we won't see an all-out war as it seemed happened last time. Maybe this time R/V will try to sieze power through politics.

THIRD IDEA:

As many others have said that the fact that Harry and R/V are very similar and that the only difference between them are the choices they make. This could be the big discovery that foreshadows book 6.


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Old July 28th, 2004, 12:33 am
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I have a theory (a bit far fetched) about the events in the chamber.

LV's dad deserted LV mother because she was a witch. The Riddle's were snobby muggles who hated magic. Ironic to the Pure-blood's view of muggles. Maybe that is why Petunia has not been honest with Vernon, due to his attitude towards her sister? (I soooo want Petunia to be a witch)


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Old July 28th, 2004, 1:02 pm
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Could Riddle be stating a fact. Through fear he is able to make himself, Voldemort, grow stronger, and in turn corrupt the minds of those around him who are afraid - wormtail for instance. Is this some sort of spell or charm he has cast?

Is Harry perhaps able to do the opposite, and make those around him less afraid, more caring, etc. Is this a power his mother had, that she too could charm people , but not in the way Voldemort would?


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Old July 28th, 2004, 5:19 pm
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I've been thinking about how there are supposed to be clues hidden throughout the second book as I've been rereading it. Rowling seems to think that we'll never get it, so it must be something obscure. At the same time, it was probably in the movies -- she would've insisted. Here are three very obscure details:

One thing that occured to me was Nearly-Headless Nick and the Headless Hunt. The hunt is run by a guy named Sir Patrick Delaney-Podmore, possibly related to Sturgis Podmore. The reason I don't think this is another Mark Evans is because they went out of their way to mention his name and his connection to Nick in the movie. I mean, they cut out the whole Deathday Party, but they still hired John Cleese to do the scene, deliver his few lines, and got the special effects team to animate him. why bother. What's so important about the Headless Hunt?

Another minor detail is in the book, not the movie -- ghouls sure come up a lot. We discover that the Weasleys have a pet ghoul, Lockhart claims to have defeated a ghoul by squeezing it through a tea-strainer, and Hermione is about to launch into an explanation of shapeshifting Chameleon Ghouls when Ron cuts her off.

The third thing I noticed was something called the Homorphus Charm. I would never have picked up on it before I found out about Lupin. It's a charm that lifts the curse of the werewolf, which Lockhart claims to have used in Weekend with a Werewolf. Now, Lockhart's a fraud, but he's supposed to have stolen his stories from other wizards, so there may be an old wizard somewhere who knows how to cure werewolves. Can't remember if this is in the movie.

No one would notice any of these things unless they were looking for them.


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Old July 30th, 2004, 5:59 pm
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JKR has said that it's a discovery Harry makes in book two that is related to soething that happens in book six. So what has Harry discovered?

Well the biggest discoveries Harry makes in CoS are...

1. The Chamber
2. That he can speak Parseltongue (and so could Salazar, and Voldy)
3. That Tom Riddle is Voldemort

Althought there are tons of smaller ones:
4. Fawkes is loyal to Dumbledore, and those loyal to him.
5. Godric and Salazar didn't get on at all
6. Percy has a girlfriend
7. The Polyjuice potion can't be used for animal transformations
8. It's our choices that make us who we are.
9. All about the House Elves, and that Dobby loves him
10. About Knockturn Alley (and Hagrid being there?)
11. The Malfoys are really evil wizards!
12. The Sorting Hat isn't just about sorting people
13. Godric had a sword
14. Harry is 'a true Gryffindor'.
15. You can bewitch cars to fly (and other muggle objects)

This list could go on for a long time...


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Old July 30th, 2004, 6:17 pm
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SECOND IDEA:
The passage where Riddle explains his... Mmm "relationship" ... with Ginny is interesting. "I was patient. I was kind. Ginny simply *loved* me.... I've always been able to charm the people I needed.... I grew stronger on a diet of her... fears, her darkest secrets... Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of *my* secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul into *her*..."

This discovery of how R/V works could also foreshadow events to come. Maybe we won't see an all-out war as it seemed happened last time. Maybe this time R/V will try to sieze power through politics.
In the train, during the trip to Hogwarts in the third book, Ginny was also the only one who had a reaction almost as bad as harry. Remember, she shook covulsivly when it came to call.

Only deal is, it's called the Half-Blood Prince, not the Half-Blood Princess...


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Old July 30th, 2004, 6:18 pm
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Yeah, he also found out that wizards are not sure of the function of a rubber duck! It's either so tangential as to be pointless or so general as to be useless at this juncture.


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