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Old June 29th, 2003, 12:54 am
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Snape loved Lilly?

This is an old theory I read about some years ago on this forum...
Did Snape love Lilly? Was he jealous of James?
In my opinion the new scene does nothing to support this but I think it is still not impossible...
I like this theory though I don't know why...

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Old June 29th, 2003, 12:59 am
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Hard to say. Nothing rules it out, IMHO, but if Snape calling Lily a mudblood is any indication of how he really feels about muggleborns (versus being a product of hurt feelings and humiliation), it's not incredibly likely.

Old June 29th, 2003, 1:25 am
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He could be calling her a mudblood because he probably is humiliated at having a girl have to save him.

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Old June 29th, 2003, 1:37 am
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I think Lily was the kind of girl who always stuck up for underdogs, so her defense of Snape was nothing more than her feeling sorry for him.

However, as for Snape having feelings for Lily: who knows? It certainly wasn't a good move for him to call her a Mudblood, if he wanted to woo her. Then again, if he did like her, it was probably from a crush standpoint, as in she was unattainable for him. He may have fancied her from a distance, and tried to cover it up with the Mudblood nonsense. I hope it doesn't turn out that way, though--much too soap opera-ish for my liking.

Old June 29th, 2003, 1:48 am
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I think Snape does not know the meaning of the verb To Love
Apparently, his childhood and adolescence took all posible love away from his soul.

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Old June 29th, 2003, 1:54 am
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Well, I still get the feeling that Snape did have some feelings, maybe just a crush, I mean, Lily was really smart and pretty and all.

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Old June 29th, 2003, 2:49 am
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Well, Snape may have had a passing interest on her just by the fact that she was pretty...but I think all chances of him truly loving her was dashed the moment he was born and put into his parents' hands. From what we've seen Snape was taught a very narrow-minded way to view the world, and that included having mudbloods being bad. If Snape had been brought up properly I have no doubt that he might have really liked Lily. But as it is, he wasn't and I think that his "programmed" hate of mudbloods over-powered his (if any) love of Lily.

As to Lily liking Snape....I don't think so. I think that she hated the dark arts just as much as James did and she also did not approve of snape's obvious beliefs. However, she also did not like the way he was treated, so merely stuck up for him in a sort of stand-offish way. Nothing that special, she was just sticking up for her own morals and beliefs that even people like Snivellus shouldn't be treated the way James treated him.

Old June 29th, 2003, 4:18 am
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Snape Have feelings Whoa............. NO but I dont think he did he called her a mudblood! Jemes jumped in to protect her it was so Dramish! Althought some guys are like kinda "mean" to girls when they like them I dono why. I am like that once in awhile!

Old June 29th, 2003, 4:40 am
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I hate to feel sorry for Snape, but after reading that part of the book, I couldn't help it...that is, until he called Lily a Mudblood.

Maybe that was one of the many reasons Snape hated James-- because James got the girl Snape wanted. Assuming Snape wanted her at all.


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Old June 29th, 2003, 4:54 am
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"Snape loved Lilly?"

Before or after he called her a mudblood?

Old June 29th, 2003, 5:23 am
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I don't think Snape loves anyone.

Old June 29th, 2003, 7:46 am
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I did feel sad for snape and let the "mudblood" comment slid because he was in a corner and ppl can lash out at anyone around them when they are feeling hurt and embarrased... but being in love with lilly I don't see it.. but anythings possible

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Old July 8th, 2003, 12:29 pm
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I think he loved Lily.

Old July 8th, 2003, 2:04 pm
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Maybe that's why he hated James so much? there has to be something more than just cos James was good at sport and popular, hasn't there?

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Old July 8th, 2003, 3:51 pm
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they say there is nothing more dangerous than a caged or cornered creature who has been wounded. Snape was HUMILIATED infront of nearly the whole school. He was hung upside down and pantsed, and had mean things shouted at him. The fact that Lily stood up for him, meant she saw what happened. I'm sure he would have prefered that she not have tried to help him at all. He was embarassed, infront of the girl (Hypothetically) he really liked. And worse yet, he probably felt that she Pitied him. A wounded animal will lash out at /anything/ that comes near it, weather its to help or hurt, and thats what snape did.

(now I dont know if I believe this theory, but it does seem possible)

Old July 8th, 2003, 6:10 pm
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Hi Guy's
I Can't take it anymore I'm soooo fed up with the Lilly Obsession
theory :angry: Why does Snape HAVE to be soooo crazy about Lilly Evans what did JK say about her that she was soooo drop dead gorgeous and clever & smart that boys will pine/lust after her for years and years ???? It was the 70's and early 80's most people wanted to have fun (clubbing) and start carreers not familes unless James Had to Marry Lilly (shotgun marriage) while unwise they would have just lived together and maybe broken-up gown apart later on in their 20's. I'm sure there
had to have been other girls during his school years form pure-blood families and after he became a Deatheater.
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Old July 8th, 2003, 6:19 pm
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I think this theory lost any possibility it had when Snape called Lily a 'Mudblood.' But that's entirely IMHO.

My point is that for one thing, having an abusive parent has probably not exactly endeared Snape to the idea of love. Also, if someone i had a crush on rescued me from bullies i would NOT utter a racist slur in return. I'd thank them repeatedly whilst privately *squeeing* because they apparently care. Of course Snape would have been more likely to utter a curt 'thank you' but you see what i mean.

His reaction was a combination of things: One, he was rescued by a girl (major violation of the so-called 'Guy Code') and two, she's a Mudblood. Basically, he probably felt just as humiliated by her rescue as by what James had done to him

Old July 8th, 2003, 8:04 pm
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Snape, in my opinion, is like an adult Malfoy who realized the error of his ways. But I seriously doubt he liked(s) her.

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Old July 8th, 2003, 8:33 pm
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little theory on Snape and Lily

The Marauders seemed to think Snape was always following them but maybe not because remember, James was always trying to impress Lily--so, where ever little goes, James is always heading that direction. Maybe Snape was following Lily and not the Marauders. I mean, why in the world would he follow people bullying him? Then again, Snape did call Lily a Mudblood so who knows.

Old July 8th, 2003, 8:53 pm
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I've also posted this in another thread (in a different forum) but it seems just as relevant to this topic. Let me just start by saying that Snape did not love Lily. So what is the connection?

Two points to consider here:

1. Harrys second Occlumency lesson, in which he sees the childhood memories of Snape. One of these was the memory of a small girl watching Snape trying to mount a bucking broomstick. Who is this girl?

2. At some point after James fifth year, Lily falls in love with James. What singular event precipitates this apparent change of heart by Lily?

My theory:

The small girl in Snape's memory is Lily. There is some connection between Lily and Snape that predates their time at Hogwarts. Related? 'Girl next door'? I Don't know - but there is some connection there. She sees Snape suffering at the hands of James, as she saw him suffering at the hands of his parents as a small child. And she doesn't like it because she has known Snape all her life.

Later however, James comes to Snape's rescue following the Marauders prank which almost sends him to his death at the hands of the werewolf Lupin. Lily's opinion of James changes after this singular event.

The rest, as they say, is history.

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