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Old December 19th, 2004, 4:09 am
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Vampires in Harry Potter

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Old December 19th, 2004, 7:40 am
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It's interesting, I like it. Very nicely written, and very well organized and researched. Good job.

I certainly hope you're right, I would love for vampires to play a prominent role in the next two books. I would definitely imagine them to have stong connection with werewolves [both are created somehow from the bite of someone who is already of that 'condition']. I think it's very interesting that the only two times we're about to recieve actual information about vampire's there's an interruption.

I think the "Voldemort as a vampire" theory is starting to make more sense to me. For one, we never see him in the light. And Quirrel had an encounter with a vampire when he was in Europe, perhaps it was Voldemort, after all. I don't believe we ever see Quirrell in the light, either. And since we're unaware of how garlic actually works in warding of vampires, the fact that Quirrell used it to ward of vampires might not actually mean anything. Then there is the drinking of the Unicorn blood....

I don't know if I'm even giving any credibility to what I'm saying myself - but there you half it.

Again, nice job on the editorial.


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Old December 19th, 2004, 10:27 am
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it would be nice just to read it, the page keeps coming up with a page not found note...


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Old December 19th, 2004, 11:12 am
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I apologize, folks!

I've fixed the link now, and you should be able to read the editorial with no trouble. Oops!

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Old December 19th, 2004, 4:12 pm
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Nice work Katherine!! I'll second an earlier post congratulating you on a nicely researched article *claps and waves*

There has to be a vampire come into view at some point don't you think? If for no other reason than to round out Harry's acquaintance with each of the major classifications of beings ...



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Old December 19th, 2004, 9:47 pm
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I think the "Voldemort as a vampire" theory is starting to make more sense to me. For one, we never see him in the light. And Quirrel had an encounter with a vampire when he was in Europe, perhaps it was Voldemort, after all.
It's funny you said that because I was thinking that exact thing as I was reading that editorial. We are bound to have some Voyages With Vampires at some point during the series, and as interesting as it would be for Snape to be one, I just imagine some other main character - *cough* Voldemort *cough* - being revealed as a vampire.

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Old December 20th, 2004, 1:00 am
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It's funny you said that because I was thinking that exact thing as I was reading that editorial. We are bound to have some Voyages With Vampires at some point during the series, and as interesting as it would be for Snape to be one, I just imagine some other main character - *cough* Voldemort *cough* - being revealed as a vampire.

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In terms of guessing who or when we might see a vampire; I have a theory that Professor Sinistra might be a candidate. There's nothing to say that an Astronomy Professor need be a witch or wizard after all.

Sinistra's name derivation has her holding a serpent 'by the tail', so I'm thinking that we'll be seeing a little more of her in books 6/7.

I like the idea that we might have had a vampire under our noses all along, and that she may be a key (voluntarily or not) in helping the good guys achieve a tactical victory on the rocky road to vanquishing Lord Voldemort, perhaps late in book 6.

If interested, the link below has the relevant predictions and theory:
http://p196.ezboard.com/facmcfrm22.s...opicID=1.topic


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Old December 20th, 2004, 1:10 am
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Lady Alchymia---what a great idea! Prof. Sinistra is an almost perfect candidate! We rarely see her (she's been kept in the background of the story very much, and some epople don't even know who she is--- yet we hear quite a bit about the subject she teaches.) She's only seen at night (being Astronomy Professor and all) and as you said, you don't need to necessarily be magical in order to teach astronomy...

And just think of the other kinds of teachers Dumbledore has been known to hire...

Anyway, great observation and idea!


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Old December 20th, 2004, 6:05 am
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I don't doubt that this omission is an accident, and I think that Snape being a vampire is unlikely (all those students, and no deaths unaccounted for!), but I find this interesting all the same.
If there is a potion to help Werewolves, why couldn't there be one for Vampires?
Anyway, good editorial! I sure hope one of the characters turn out to be a vampire coughsnapecough, but i never thought of prof Sinistra, good theory.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 3:08 pm
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If there is a potion to help Werewolves, why couldn't there be one for Vampires?
Anyway, good editorial! I sure hope one of the characters turn out to be a vampire coughsnapecough, but i never thought of prof Sinistra, good theory.
After the third movie, I am positive snape is a vampire. Remember, how he shuts all the windows and turns off the lights when he substitute teaches for everyone. That scene was cool..how he automatically turned the pages to 394 for all . He is seen in the day, but is very greasy. He never sleeps. Whenever harry is prowling in the nighttime, he runs into snape. There must be a reason for it. I think that perhaps vampires are not all bad, they too, like werewolves were bitten and can't control themselves. But perhaps thats why snape is so good in potions. He can brew his potions to help him.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 5:14 pm
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My money's on Pomfrey for the Vamp. In PoA Lupin makes an off comment about how she'll "have my blood" if he doesn't do something for her and she's never pictured outside except in GoF 1st task when she's under a tent.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 5:44 pm
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Jo has said repeatedly that Snape does not have a connection to vampires, so any vampires we see will NOT be Snape. I have no doubt we will see them though, as they have been mentioned so many times. Remember how we heard about werewolves long before we met Lupin? It's like Jo is getting us ready, getting us aware that there are vampires in her world, so we don't all roll our eyes when she pops one out at us. She can bring in stuff like Thestrals no problem in just one book, but vampires are so popular that it makes sense she'd want to introduce the idea ahead of time. And I figure her vampires will be fairly traditional, since her werewolves are.

Traditional werewolves are: perfectly ordinary people bitten by werewolves, they transform into rampaging beasts on the full moon. That's Lupin to a 'T' except he also will self-mutilate if denied Wolfsbane, animagus companions, or human prey.

Traditional vampires are reanimated corpses (or, possibly in Jo's world, people who have gone into comas and come back as vampires). Vampires seem to be accepted more by wizard society, being protected by the law, offered special lollipops, etc. But centaurs and merpeople don't want to be classified with them and Rita Skeeter thinks they should be stamped out. So they may also be victims of prejudice. Dumbledore definitely will want them on his side, and I like the idea of Sinistra being one. Unlike Snape, we've never seen her in the sun, and we don't know much about her. I wonder if Harry will get into the NEWT class she teaches. I doubt he will, but the test was rudely interrupted, after all. Hmm.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 7:34 pm
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It was a very well written article. You did a lot of work referencing all the instances of vampires in the books. Your conclusion does fit with JK's style. She mentions vampires enough to suggest that we are going to see one or more than one. I doubt if any of the main characters are vampires with the possible exception of Voldemort.
Evidence to support Voldemort as vampire: Allowing himself to be bitten by a vampire in order to achieve immortality would fit with the story. He drinks unicorn blood.
Evidence to support the theory that he is not a vampire: if he had become a vampire to achieve immortality, than why would he have to steal the Sorcerer's Stone. He doesn't drink human blood.

JK hasn't really left too many clues as to what character may actually be a vampire. She is just going to surprise us again.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 7:59 pm
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I was going to give in favor of Snape being a vampire this quote from Katherine:

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7: Hermione shuts Voyages with Vampires "with a snap." (76)
because Snape closes doors with a "snap" and "snaps" at people, and snap sounds like Snape...

BUT, helas, Snape is magical, and vampires are non-magical, apparently. That would have been a nice little revenge thing between him and Lupin: Lupin teaches students about vampires, Snape teaches students about werewolves... Oh, well...

The article is well-written, and well-researched. Good job. Can't wait to see a vampire, and see how Rowling will portray such a being. The presence of blood lollypops would seem to indicate there is something endearing, childish, about vampires? They like candy...


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Old December 20th, 2004, 8:06 pm
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BUT, helas, Snape is magical, and vampires are non-magical, apparently.
If it is true that vampires are non-magical, than that lets out Voldemort, Sinistra, and a whole lot of known characters.


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Old December 20th, 2004, 8:42 pm
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My money's on Pomfrey for the Vamp. In PoA Lupin makes an off comment about how she'll "have my blood" if he doesn't do something for her and she's never pictured outside except in GoF 1st task when she's under a tent.
Ooh, what an interesting reference! 'have my blood'...

The only thing with Pomfrey is that doesn't she accompany child Lupin for seven years to the Shrieking Shack before each full moon, then goes and collects him the next morning? Mind you, she could certainly take him after dusk and pick him up before dawn - but some full moons occur during the day ... so, not sure on this one. Could be ...

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If it is true that vampires are non-magical, than that lets out Voldemort, Sinistra, and a whole lot of known characters.
I imagine there could be cases of witches and wizards being turned into vampires (just as a wizard - Lupin - was turned into a werewolf - and just as a Muggle might be turned into a werewolf).

I think it's more that a vampire need not be magical rather than they cannot be ... but then again, who knows what exact rules Rowling has for her vampire mythology.

And Sinistra may very well just be a normal witch (my theory is fairly speculative lol), but I still think that Astronomy probably doesn't require magic. We certainly have a non-wizard Professor at the moment in Firenze the Centaur.


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Old December 21st, 2004, 5:04 am
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A question I have is what kind of powers will Vampires have in HP? If the only thing they do would be to drink blood and 'turn' people then I don't see why they couldn't have magical powers, but if they have other powers like Dracula (turning into a bat) or 'Buffy-esque' (second face, fighting ability, generally being really fast and powerful) then wouldn't being immortal, plus any of these other powers, PLUS magical ability make Vampires the most powerful creatures, even more powerful than wizards? Unless every wizard and his dog carried around a stake, garlic and a cross then running into a Vampire in the middle of the night would be almost definate death or becoming one of them. So if they have powers other than immortality I don't think they would have magical ability, which rules out Snape, Sinistra and definately Voldemort. But you never know.


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Old December 21st, 2004, 9:53 am
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where does JKR say that Snape isnt a vampire. I would like know i havent seen it. curious. All i saw was someone asked a question, but wasnt a well thought out one, and gave her wiggle room. She answered Er, I dont think so. and depending on how she answered that is important. Was she smiling mening she was lying, but anyways if i can remember she didnt really answer it definitively.
If Snape isnt a vampire, then he a BAT animagus or something.
the 3rd movie did it.
when Snape caught Harry at night in the hallway, after Lupin left with Harry, the ghost in the painting said "What are you DEAF? Turn off that light." Hint Hint
Then when Hermione and Harry were sitting and waiting for the others to come out of the WHomping willow, they never saw Snape go into it, and a bunch of BATS went by towards the willow. HINT HINT
the way he dresses, shutting the windows , classroom in the dungeon.

Then all the references in the book, A TON.
Quirrell said he swoops around like an overgrown BAT
RON mentioned it jokingly, when he jokes he is right.
etc .....
ALL these clues arent there for nothing. We ll find out in 6th Book, it will be about Snape quite a bit.


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Old December 21st, 2004, 4:45 pm
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Snape appears in too many outdoor events to be a vampire. The two tasks in Goblet of Fire, the dragon thing and the underwater thing were both outdoors in the day. The Quidditch matches are in daylight. Don't vampires hide in their coffin during the day and only come out at night? Let's not miss the obvious here. Besides, JK said that Snape wasn't a vampire. Sure, it was one of her trademark sarcastic answers that people love to interpret in different ways, but bottom line, there is no reason to have a story line that includes Snape as a vampire.



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I'm exploring this in my work-in-progress fanfic "Bat in my Belfry". Here are some rules I came up with, based on a mishmash of folklores, which I will address at one point or another.

1. Vampires can move about in the daytime as long as they avoid direct sunlight, thought they are weaker.

2. When vampires do sleep, it needs to be in a coffin with at least a pinch of soil from where they turned (not all vamps are buried first).

3. Vampires do drink blood as their primary nourishment. Preferably mamalian blood, though avian blood will do in a pinch.

4. All vampires gain a hypnotism ability, which is a sort of a cross between the Imperius curse and Leglimency. This works best against whatever gender the vampire in question is normally attracted to. A vampire has to have been a wizard first in order to use any other type of magic, though they'll no longer need a wand (i.e. turning into a bat = animagus).

5. Vampires also have great relative striength and can move almost impossibly fast. They also have hightened senses and can stick to most surfaces.

6. Vampires are immortal if left alone, and they will never age past the age they turned. Only their eyes tell their true age.

7. A stake made from wood native to the vampire's birthplace driven through the heart will kill a vampire.

8. They are extremely allergic to garlic not unlike an allergy many people have to penuts. If garlic is ingested, they will die if they do not feed immedeately after. Most vampires stay away from garlic altogether to avoid the risk, which is why it's effective as a warding cham.

9. As not all vampires are christian, crosses have absolutely no effect, though they will respect holy ground of any faith.

10. The only thing silver does is make vampires laugh and remind the person that it only works on werewolves.

11. A vampire can heal from any wound unless it deals with the brain. If the head is separated from the body or the brain rendered useless in any other way, the vampire dies.

12. Though vampires rarely forget people who crossed them, in all but the most dire cases they prefer to not do anything and let the offender live out his/her days in fear.

13. In order to turn, one needs to die from being drained by a vampire. If the victim's brain is in any way disconencted from the rest of the body, the victim will just die outright and not turn (i.e. if the neck is broken, the victim is decapitated, or the head blown off with a shotgun).

14. Vampires are very resistant to potions (i.e. Veritaserum) and curses. Being already dead, they can shrug off Avada Kadavra like an amusement park ride.

That's what I came up with and I think it works. Read the fic if you like. I only have the first four chapters up right now, though there will be more to come.


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