H/Hr - Harry/Hermione in OotP

[navygreen]

Discussion for the Madam Puddifoot's H/Hr article - Harry/Hermione in OotP by Player.

Woah, that was long!

I thought it was an excellant editorial, and although you say you didnt intend to switch R/Hr shippers, you have switched me!

[Finduilas]

It took 15 hours to read it? That's so long! I'm sure you could have read it faster but I guess you were looking for all those excerpts so it took longer... I've always thought that Hermione/Harry was the more likely ship but I still think that Ron likes Hermione... I just doubt that she likes him. It will be pretty harsh on Ron if those two get together though... Major jealousy; maybe enough for Ron to consider fightinf against Harry? Probably he'll stay on the "light" side but he would feel left out...

[CandiceMarie]

Like I said in at PK,

Originally Posted by thetrueship, PK

I love how you included all (if not, most) of the H/Hr OotP scenes. I have to admit, some of the scenes, though I know were very H/Hr, I never thought of in the light that you'd just written. Kind of like Hermione disengaging herself from her parents, and how it was not unlike a bride would do to be with her husband. For me, I always thought that that scene showed that Harry was important enough for Hermione to let go of her parents (who she had not scene in ten months!) just to support Harry (who she's been with for the said ten months!)

I don't think the author was over-analyzing. I think that his opinions are accurately conveying what is really happening. That's how I feel, anyway.

Kudos to you, Later Player. Hope you write many more essays for us to read

Candice

[Abak]

Good article. After rereading the scene after Cho and Harry kissed, I think that when Hermione was telling Ron and Harry what "Cho" was thinking, it was actually an explanation of what Hermione was thinking except involving Ron and Harry. Of course, some of the Cedric talk doesn't apply to Ron, but the overall message is the same. Hermione feels bad, because she used to like Ron, but now she likes Harry best, and she can't work out who she likes best.

[Kristus_Vesanus]

Yes, this is definately a perfect example of over-analyzing. Any of the points made in this article can be taken from the other point of view and made into an anti-H/Hr article. Kudos to you Later Player for taking the time to point out everything here, but yes, definately over-analyzing - what almost all shippers do.

[mozinha]

That was brilliant. Hope you'll writ more, about other subjects too.

[RubberDuckie333]

Whoaa!
Took me 1 hour to read it! I loved it, it wasn't overanalyzing. I've been a H/Hr shipper since forever, and this is just one other to stay. H/Hr forever!

[meg2089kul]

Really good job on that. I know those things tend to take up a lot of time. One thing I wanted to note though was that the reason that Harry reacted to Hermione's preposition to knit with her, in that way, was because he was just as clueless as when Cho asked him out on Valentine's Day.

"Erm...there's another Hogsmeade trip next month, did you see the notice?"
"What? Oh no, I haven't checked *** notice board since I got back..."
"Yes, it's on Valentine's Day..."
"Right," said Harry, wondering why she was telling him this. "Well, I suppose you want to - ?"
"Only if you do," she said eagerly.
Harry stared. He had been about to say "I suppose you want to know when the next D.A. meeting is?" but her response did not seem to fit.
"I - er - "
"Oh, it's okay if you don't," she said, looking mortified. "Don't worry. I-I'll see you around."
She walked away. Harry stood staring after her, his brain working frantically. Then something clicked into place.

Yeah, it took a while. Anyway, just wanted to say that. Also, I think you made some very interesting points that I hadn't considered before. Good job! All for our sweet ship!

[Scrivenshafts]

eh...I agree that most of the it was a strech, turning moments that were H/Hr friendship moments into something romantic. I thought that the kiss scene was very telling in that it proves that Hermione does NOT have feelings for Harry, and your analysis was way too biast to be accurate.

Besides that, it WAS a very well written editorial and I thank you for writing it, as a couple of scenes did jump out at me as possible H/Hr hints (the knitting scene, for example)

If anyone isn't a shipper for H/Hr or R/Hr, I've always thought that someone who is unbiast would be able to provide the best analysis of who Hermione loves.....All the editorials out there are much too one-sided.

[Shewoman]

I felt like the writer was trying WAY too hard. The fact is that we never see Harry jealous of Krum or Hermione jealous of Cho--and I think Hermione's reaction to the failed Hogsmeade H/C date and her explanation of Cho's feelings make crystal clear that she's not romantically interested in Harry at all. Certainly she loves Harry, doesn't want him kicked out of Hogwarts, knows him well (she is the most analytical of the Trio), depends on him, etc. He's her best friend. But none of that means she's in love with him. She doesn't show passion where he's concerned.

[playmaker9]

Hey all, thanks for taking the time to read my article.

One thing that I'm sure you guys all thought didn't sound right is the name 'later player'. I meant for it to just be 'player', but since I end all of my posts 'later player' (you know, like see you later, and my name is player; combining them) so it sounds kind of weird. If any of the mugglenet people read this and can change that little bit it would be much appreciated.

Alright, here we go...

Originally Posted by Lazinger

Woah, that was long!

I thought it was an excellant editorial, and although you say you didnt intend to switch R/Hr shippers, you have switched me!

Cool, you have no idea how huge of a compliment that is! Thanks!

Originally Posted by Finduilas

It took 15 hours to read it? That's so long! I'm sure you could have read it faster but I guess you were looking for all those excerpts so it took longer... I've always thought that Hermione/Harry was the more likely ship but I still think that Ron likes Hermione... I just doubt that she likes him. It will be pretty harsh on Ron if those two get together though... Major jealousy; maybe enough for Ron to consider fightinf against Harry? Probably he'll stay on the "light" side but he would feel left out...

Hmm, I actually though fifteen hours was pretty speedy for 800+ pages...though granted, I could probably do it in about 8-9 now.

As for it being harsh on Ron; yeah, it would, but don't forget that JKR has said repeatedly that she is writing these while trying to be as realistic as possible (excluding the whole 'magic' thing lol) and unrequited love is a very real thing in life; and I figure JKR will be showcasing it at least once, and I see Ron as the prime target for it. But that's just me. <shrug>

Originally Posted by CandiceMarie

I don't think the author was over-analyzing. I think that his opinions are accurately conveying what is really happening. That's how I feel, anyway.

Kudos to you, Later Player. Hope you write many more essays for us to read

Candice

Hey there, I did recognize your sig from portkey, it's hilarious! Thanks for the support, I don't think I really over-analyzed either, but you can't win'm all! (wow, I just had the most horrible urge to write 'pokemon!' after win it all, lol; you know, like the tv show theme...yeah, i'm a bit of a dork, oh well)

Originally Posted by Abak

Good article. After rereading the scene after Cho and Harry kissed, I think that when Hermione was telling Ron and Harry what "Cho" was thinking, it was actually an explanation of what Hermione was thinking except involving Ron and Harry. Of course, some of the Cedric talk doesn't apply to Ron, but the overall message is the same. Hermione feels bad, because she used to like Ron, but now she likes Harry best, and she can't work out who she likes best.

Yup, I think that way too; although I'm not to sure whether or not Hermione really did like Ron; she may have thought she did though. Hmm, guess it'll take some thinking on.

Originally Posted by Kristus Vesanus

Yes, this is definately a perfect example of over-analyzing. Any of the points made in this article can be taken from the other point of view and made into an anti-H/Hr article. Kudos to you Later Player for taking the time to point out everything here, but yes, definately over-analyzing - what almost all shippers do.

Hmm, I'm not to sure how you could make all of these scenes anti-H/Hr, but I wouldn't mind someone trying it. I can see where someone would think of it as over-analyzing; I do believe I even admitted that I was stretching a few times, but for the most part I felt I was very truthful to the characters and cannon. I may revise the essay at some point, I'll let you all know if and when I do.

Originally Posted by Mozinha

That was brilliant. Hope you'll writ more, about other subjects too.

Thanks I do write fanfiction (occassionally, something my reviewers at portkey get on me for, I just updated a fic for the first time in two months last night, lol) and am also writing a novel; yup, that's what I wanna be, an author; Harry Potter was just a nice stepstool for me. Thanks again!

Originally Posted by RubberDuckie333

Whoaa!
Took me 1 hour to read it! I loved it, it wasn't overanalyzing. I've been a H/Hr shipper since forever, and this is just one other to stay. H/Hr forever!

Wow, an hour? It's awesome to know that people will spend so much time reading my beliefs and ideas. Thank you!

Originally Posted by Meg2089kul

Really good job on that. I know those things tend to take up a lot of time. One thing I wanted to note though was that the reason that Harry reacted to Hermione's preposition to knit with her, in that way, was because he was just as clueless as when Cho asked him out on Valentine's Day.

Quote:
"Erm...there's another Hogsmeade trip next month, did you see the notice?"
"What? Oh no, I haven't checked *** notice board since I got back..."
"Yes, it's on Valentine's Day..."
"Right," said Harry, wondering why she was telling him this. "Well, I suppose you want to - ?"
"Only if you do," she said eagerly.
Harry stared. He had been about to say "I suppose you want to know when the next D.A. meeting is?" but her response did not seem to fit.
"I - er - "
"Oh, it's okay if you don't," she said, looking mortified. "Don't worry. I-I'll see you around."
She walked away. Harry stood staring after her, his brain working frantically. Then something clicked into place.


Yeah, it took a while. Anyway, just wanted to say that. Also, I think you made some very interesting points that I hadn't considered before. Good job! All for our sweet ship!

Hmm, I never thought of it that way, but we all do know that Harry is really dense as far as girls go, so it's entirely possible! Thanks for saying I brought up some points you've never heard before, that was one of the things I was concerned about, most of what I put in here has been discussed before, but it's good to know that I brought up some new ideas! Thanks again!

Originally Posted by Scrivenshafts

eh...I agree that most of the it was a strech, turning moments that were H/Hr friendship moments into something romantic. I thought that the kiss scene was very telling in that it proves that Hermione does NOT have feelings for Harry, and your analysis was way too biast to be accurate.

Besides that, it WAS a very well written editorial and I thank you for writing it, as a couple of scenes did jump out at me as possible H/Hr hints (the knitting scene, for example)

If anyone isn't a shipper for H/Hr or R/Hr, I've always thought that someone who is unbiast would be able to provide the best analysis of who Hermione loves.....All the editorials out there are much too one-sided.

Well, obviously, I heartily disagree with your assessment that the post-kiss scene showed that H/Hr would not happen, I think I was very specific in my analysis of why I thought it was very pro H/Hr. But to all their own, eh?

Yeah, I have always wondered what it would be like if a non-shipper wrote an essay on ships...but I doubt it would ever happen, because why would they write about something they don't care about?

Thanks for all your comments, sorry for anyone I may have missed if you posted while I was writing this, I'll get you some other time.

Later Player

[navygreen]

Alrightee, Player. I think I've made all the necessary changes everywhere to your name. I apologize!

Nicole

P.S. - And Player, if you think an hour to READ all your beliefs was amazing, just know that it took me four-and-a-half hours to code the entire piece!

[Pills]

I believe that I agree with each of your statements, player. I too am a H/Hr shipper. It took me over 9 hours just to read and analyze everything you have said. I hope that you can analyze the other 4 books as well as Book 6 if it comes out soon.

Very nicely done. I'd just like to mention to start with that I am a Harry/Hermione shipper and have been from the start. I agree with everyhing you mention in the article. I run a livejournal sorting community called Hogwarts Elite and have been making (or at least trying to make) people see the light that is H/Hr. Lol. Anyway...I think that Harry's dream of Cho and Hermione is the perfect example of a clue. JKR writes everything so well, that until she specifically tells us something, I doubt we'll be able to figure it out. It seems that people who support R/Hr claim that it is the obvious ship, but I disagree with their logic. It is almost clear that Ron does like Hermione, but Hermione has never made any indication that that feeling was recipricated. Also, since when has JKR ever done anything obvious? JKR likes to hide the truth about a millimeter below the surface, right where it can be easily found if you are looking. Wouldn't R/Hr be too obvious for her? I'm rambling now. All in all...from on H/Hr to another...I say thank you for the wonderful essay that I now will flaunt to my unbelieving friends.

[Minxie]

I must admit that your editorial has almost convinced me that Harry and Hermione will get together... (I say 'almost' because I still can't be certain about it, especially because JKR will likely surprise everyone in the end dealing with Harry's romantic relationships...)

Based on the clues from the books and all the editorials I've read, I kind of think that this will happen over the course of the final 2 books:

Hermione does really like Harry, but she also has a thing for Ron, and can't decide who she likes. Harry will then 'notice' Ginny and those two will have a fling (likely in book 6), and will look so happy together (or something along those lines) that Hermione gives up on hoping to be with Harry, and ends up getting together with Ron. Then, later on, things will not work out between Ginny and Harry (I suspect that she will end up liking someone else and break up with him - b/c from reading OotP I've derived that she has become somewhat 'flighty' about dating, casually dumping boys and finding new ones...)

Then (and here I really hope that I'm wrong) Ron will get killed, leaving Hermione distraught and grief-stricken, and she will be comforted by an equally distraught Harry, and in the end those two will get together (after or around the final confrontation with Voldemort - which I believe Harry will survive ^_^)

And that's just my opinion on the matter =). I may be completely wrong, of course.

[Pills]

That's just assumptions, you don't know the result.

[scout]

I agree with everything that Player wrote. There are passages in GOF that look like Hermione is jealous of Fluer over Ron, but if you look and read carefully, Harry was involved and Hermione was actually jealous over HARRY! I'm a H/Hr shipper all the way and Player was right on with everything he wrote!

[Robingirl]

This was a great editorial! It made me see that their is a ton of evidence that Harry and Hermione might get together.

[Wandering Bard]

I thought that the article was well researched but that the author was too partisan to draw any significant conclusion i.e. arguing for what you want to happen, rather than what the books tell you. Don't get me wrong, some of the evidence was very strong, but it was weakened by some of the rather fanciful arguments which accompanied it.

Personally, I think that shipping is wonderful evidence of just how difficult it is to understand love and relationships.