Will Dumbledore and Harry's relationship change in Book 6?

[Firebolt2004]

Please excuse me if this has been discussed before.
In OOTP Dumbledore distances himself from Harry so Voldemort is not aware of their special relationship. But Harry hasn't mastered Occlumency yet, so what will prevent Voldemort from knowing Harry's secrets and how is Dumbledore going to help Harry without alerting Voldemort?

[nivekllerttoc]

If anything, it will grow stronger. The rift that had to be opened between them in book 5 has been closed, and the bond is now stronger than ever.

Good thread.

[Dumblebee]

Not sure if this may have been discussed elsewhere... Sure someone will let us know if it has!
Im not sure... no one would have forseen Dumbledores reaction to Harry in OotP.. I think now Harry knows the reasons Dumbledore was so distant they will become far closer.

[Firebolt2004]

Originally Posted by Dumblebee

Not sure if this may have been discussed elsewhere... Sure someone will let us know if it has!
Im not sure... no one would have forseen Dumbledores reaction to Harry in OotP.. I think now Harry knows the reasons Dumbledore was so distant they will become far closer.

I hope they can become closer but how do you think they'll be able to prevent Voldemort from knowing this?

[Ludivine]

You should take a look at this:
Closer than Headmaster-Student, Harry and Dumbledore's Relationship

[JakeOfRavenclaw]

I think that the question here is really "Will Harry and Voldemorts relationship change? Presumably not, so Harry will continue to have his dreams and mabye Voldemort will have dreams through his eyes? They will probably clamp the security around Harry tighter than ever--and Harry's bound to feel resentment for that. I think that he'll have forgiven Dumbledore from book 5.

[Firebolt2004]

Originally Posted by JakeOfRavenclaw

I think that the question here is really "Will Harry and Voldemorts relationship change? Presumably not, so Harry will continue to have his dreams and mabye Voldemort will have dreams through his eyes? They will probably clamp the security around Harry tighter than ever--and Harry's bound to feel resentment for that. I think that he'll have forgiven Dumbledore from book 5.

I agree that once Harry processes all the information from the end of OOTP, he will forgive Dumbledore and I also think Dumbledore has realized that its better to let Harry know everything than to let him fumble around in the dark like the last time. But I wonder how are they going to prevent Voldemort from penetrating into Harry's mind so the secrets of the Order are not revealed to him.

[Snidget66]

Originally Posted by Firebolt2004

I agree that once Harry processes all the information from the end of OOTP, he will forgive Dumbledore and I also think Dumbledore has realized that its better to let Harry know everything than to let him fumble around in the dark like the last time. But I wonder how are they going to prevent Voldemort from penetrating into Harry's mind so the secrets of the Order are not revealed to him.

Maybe someone else will teach Harry Occlumency like DD or the new DADA teacher, or maybe it will be Harry again. Don't know for sure or anthing.

Voldy's and Harry's relationship will grow. He will understand his duty and he will fullfill it. As for DD and Harry, I can't say for sure-depends on Harry really.

[Spirit]

I think that Dumbledore and Harry's relationship will definitely change, hopefully for the better. Harry might still be angry with Dumbledore, so things might get worse before they get better. We'll see.

[Larry_Lupin]

Originally Posted by Firebolt2004

Please excuse me if this has been discussed before.
In OOTP Dumbledore distances himself from Harry so Voldemort is not aware of their special relationship. But Harry hasn't mastered Occlumency yet, so what will prevent Voldemort from knowing Harry's secrets and how is Dumbledore going to help Harry without alerting Voldemort?

Harry wont need to learn Occlumency anymore. He needs to learn Leg... We all know Volde' can now only place images in Harry. Maybe Harry in return could learn the the link of his scar and inreturn put images in You-Know-Who's head. Maybe make V see what Harry wants. We know volde' wont try and posses Harry anymore because of the love factor so he's safe there....

[LilCubanita67]

My theory is, and has always been, that Dumbledore will die in book 6 to create an even bigger challenge for Harry/the whole Hogwarts community. In saying that, I believe that Dumbledore and Harry's relationship will grow tremendously and we will be seeing a lot more of Dumbledore than we already are - just so that the shock of his death will hit harder.

I compare it to when Sirius was killed. In books 3 & 4 Harry and Sirius barely met face to face (as in, there were only letters and rumours and discussions on Sirius). But in book 5, we saw a ton of Sirius, learned more about his family, learned more about his past at Hogwarts, and spent a great deal of time at his house. At the end of book 5 Sirius died.

Since I'm still sticking to my theory of Dumbledore dying in book 6 then I would expect that Dumbledore's relationship with Harry will grow and we'll see a lot of him. And if Dumbledore lives, what kind of challenge would that be for Harry? All everyone will be saying by the time book 7 comes out is "Dumbledore will help Harry in the end!" And JKR is not trying to make things easy on Harry (look who she gave him as relatives!).

[thrawn]

Yeh i thought dumbledore is gonna die in book 6 too, but not to hijack the thread, i think the relationship between them will go back to the way it was, except with more contact between them, and Dumbledore involving Harry more with the plans of the order, or atleast keeping him informed about Voldemorts doings, and this will strengthen their relationship, beyond what it once was. I think Dumbledore will also become more like a Grandfather to Harry, not only a person hed greatly respects, but one he greatly cares for.

[nivekllerttoc]

Harry wont need to learn Occlumency anymore. He needs to learn Leg... We all know Volde' can now only place images in Harry. Maybe Harry in return could learn the the link of the scare put images in You-Know-Who's head to make him see what he wants to see. We know volde' wont try and posses Harry anymore because of the love factor so he's safe there....

I dissagree with you there, I think to be succesful at the whole mind branch of magic, you need to have both, one to protect and one to attack. If you don't have one of them, I don't think that the other one is of very much use.

[lynsey1989]

i think we'll see more of the jedi style you know
dumbldore=master
harry=student

or

dumbleodre playing a more fatherly/grandfatherly role

[DocHollidaywe]

Harry wont need to learn Occlumency anymore. He needs to learn Leg... We all know Volde' can now only place images in Harry. Maybe Harry in return could learn the the link of the scare put images in You-Know-Who's head to make him see what he wants to see. We know volde' wont try and posses Harry anymore because of the love factor so he's safe there....

I have to disagree also, I think Voldemort can do more than just put images in Harry's head. Just because that is all that he has done so far does not mean he can't do more. Also remember the feelings Harry got when looking at Dumbledore before to Department of Mysteries. I also think it is possible for Voldemort to posses Harry again. I just hope Harry remembers to think of someone he loves to fight him off.
I think Harry will need to continue Occulemcy (and finally getting to the topic of this thread) and Dumbledore will be the one to teach him. This causing their relationship to grow.

[popping corn]

harry will be angry at dd for not being more open towards him.
the relationship might change a little but i dont think there will be any drastic changes, ie total openness, whatever.

[MadMagic]

I think it is inevitable that their relationship will change. It his a serious low point in OotP, with Dumbledore unwilling to look at Harry and Harry as a result unwilling to tell Dumbledore anything. In book 6, I think they will have both moved past this. I think Harry is going to become more cautious than he was in book 5, willing to go to Dumbledore for help and advice. Also, I think Dumbledore will teach him Occlumency, so I think they will solve the problem of Voldemort learning about their relationship through Harry, since Harry will hopefully be able to block Voldemort out.
So yes, their relationship will change in book 6. I think it will become stronger. I think Dumbledore feels he has a lot to make up in regards to Harry and I think he will try to do so.

[basilth]

"special relationship"

*snicker* heh. heh heh heh. heheheheheheheheh.*/snicker*

i am such a perv.

[imjk]

I think Dumbledore will take a back seat in the furture books. Dumbledore has come to view Harry as an adult and as an equal. Harry has now proved himself time and time again. Dumbledore had faith enough in Harry to advise him of his terrible fate. I think Dumbledore has come to a cross roads. He will be torn between wanting to help and knowing that its up to Harry now...Dumbledore has done all he can. The future books will reflect a stronger Harry and a humble Dumbledore (no pun intended). I expect we will see a huge change in their relationship, the dynamic has already shifted.

[Firebolt2004]

Originally Posted by imjk

I think Dumbledore will take a back seat in the furture books. Dumbledore has come to view Harry as an adult and as an equal. Harry has now proved himself time and time again. Dumbledore had faith enough in Harry to advise him of his terrible fate. I think Dumbledore has come to a cross roads. He will be torn between wanting to help and knowing that its up to Harry now...Dumbledore has done all he can. The future books will reflect a stronger Harry and a humble Dumbledore (no pun intended). I expect we will see a huge change in their relationship, the dynamic has already shifted.

Yes I sense that too, the shift in the dynamics of their relationship and Dumbledore considering Harry more as an equal. Thats why I was wondering how their relationship would change, considering , Harry is still a student and Dumbledore the Headmaster.