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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:44 pm
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I think that it is possible that there are many good slytherins who turn bad becuase they are followers and follow Malfoys lead. Think about it, they have been told they will turn bad, why fight the tide. So good people end up bad because they have no hope and can't aspire to anything else. I think that they just give up and only the strong of will can pretend they are evil and then leave and be nice people and keep their old school friends. Whoa! Just rambling away. But you get the picture.
Yeah that's probably right.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:48 pm
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Yeah that's probably right.
But if there were ever any good slytherin's we would have heard about it. They would have done something and would have got credit for it. So I'm not so sure if there is good Slytherins or just all bad Slytherins I can see it both ways.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:49 pm
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But if there were ever any good slytherin's we would have heard about it. They would have done something and would have got credit for it. So I'm not so sure if there is good Slytherins or just all bad Slytherins I can see it both ways.
It certainly is a confusing topic.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:53 pm
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I don't think we would have necessarily seen the slyhterins get credit for good actions. Afterall, the books are in the viewpoint of Harry and the other Gryffindors around him. It's pretty obvious that they don't go out of their way to get to know Slytherins. They group them all togethoer (unfairly), and assume that they're all wicked. I think JKR will be showing us the good Slytherins as the books come to a close.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:53 pm
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It certainly is a confusing topic.
lol! It is so true!


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Old February 24th, 2005, 7:58 pm
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Well, there's active bad, and there's sitting by and not doing anything, which I think of as "inactive bad", but is more accurately termed neutral. Neutral by definition is neither good nor bad, so that could be what the other Slytherins are. And I think it likely, given that we know Slytherins will do anything to further their own aims... by reverse inference, we can conclude that they therefore will NOT do anything that doesn't further their own aims, which would include standing up for people they don't know or don't care about.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:15 pm
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Well, there's active bad, and there's sitting by and not doing anything, which I think of as "inactive bad", but is more accurately termed neutral. Neutral by definition is neither good nor bad, so that could be what the other Slytherins are. And I think it likely, given that we know Slytherins will do anything to further their own aims... by reverse inference, we can conclude that they therefore will NOT do anything that doesn't further their own aims, which would include standing up for people they don't know or don't care about.
So are u saying that some slytherins are bad, others are just quietly good and therefore not really bad, but don't stand up just cause its not in their favor. Well that makes sense. I can see that.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:21 pm
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No, I'm saying that they make the choice to be whatever. And in some cases, that choice is to be neutral and not take any action at all. Depending on your point of view, that could be considered bad.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:44 pm
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I've been thinking and maybe JKR is stressing all of the bad Slytherins so she can surprise us when a Slytherin saves the day. I mean, every little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned...Is that really necessary?


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:51 pm
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I've been thinking and maybe JKR is stressing all of the bad Slytherins so she can surprise us when a Slytherin saves the day. I mean, every little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned...Is that really necessary?
Good point.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:52 pm
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They've been set up to be the "enemy", so yeah, I'd say she thinks it's necessary for some reason.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:53 pm
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I've been thinking and maybe JKR is stressing all of the bad Slytherins so she can surprise us when a Slytherin saves the day. I mean, every little thing a Slytherin does is mentioned...Is that really necessary?
I don't think it would be much of a surprise if a Slytherin 'saves the day' as you put it to anyone who has put thought into it.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 8:55 pm
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Slytherin's probably were trustworthy at some time. They are not truly trustworthy to even their own kind. When it came right down to it they would do anything to help. Yes, Slytherins ... help. No Slytherin has ever or ever will be truly "evil" Not even Lord Voldemort.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:07 pm
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You have an odd definition of "evil", then.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:09 pm
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Slytherin's probably were trustworthy at some time. They are not truly trustworthy to even their own kind. When it came right down to it they would do anything to help. Yes, Slytherins ... help. No Slytherin has ever or ever will be truly "evil" Not even Lord Voldemort.
So....what would you say is evil then? Obviously we are to believe that Lord Voldemort is, but you say that he isn't. How exactly would you define evil?


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:11 pm
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Slytherin's probably were trustworthy at some time. They are not truly trustworthy to even their own kind. When it came right down to it they would do anything to help. Yes, Slytherins ... help. No Slytherin has ever or ever will be truly "evil" Not even Lord Voldemort.
JKR has said that Voldemort is evil.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:22 pm
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there has to be SOME or else as soon as someone would be sorted into slytherin they would (if fudge was in charge and the malfoys were out of the way) just be gotten rid of, obliterated, if you will. and there have to be some gryffindors/ravenclaws/hufflepuffs who were voldermort supporters. and not everyone is good.

i mean, pettigrew was in gryffindor for some unknown reason. maybe he will come through for harry in the end....


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:22 pm
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I think that Slytherins like to be among other Slytherins so much that they always seem suspicious


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:28 pm
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It's also possible that people change over 7 years in ways the Sorting Hat cannot foresee. I know I've changed in the past 7 years, and I bet you all have too, and in ways you wouldn't think you'd have changed. So Pettigrew could have "grown out" of Gryffindor (for lack of a better term), and some Slytherins could either have "grown into" or "out of" Slytherin.


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Old February 24th, 2005, 9:37 pm
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Wasn't Phineas Nigellus a Slytherin and also a former Headmaster. He was probably trustworthy.

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It's also possible that people change over 7 years in ways the Sorting Hat cannot foresee. I know I've changed in the past 7 years, and I bet you all have too, and in ways you wouldn't think you'd have changed. So Pettigrew could have "grown out" of Gryffindor (for lack of a better term), and some Slytherins could either have "grown into" or "out of" Slytherin.
I guess I can see that but I really think that the sorting hat knows people better than they may even know themselves.


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