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Old May 12th, 2005, 7:37 pm
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I would like to think that too, but then I start remembering that maybe those adjectives do describe some Prefects. *coughMalfoycough*
Well, there probably isn't much choice in the Slytherin house, they're all power hungry...but unless someone like Umbridge is somehow put in charge of Hogwarts, I'm sure Malfoy would never get made HB.


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Old May 12th, 2005, 7:53 pm
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Oh, Percy. I actually hesitate to comment here because I have been so horribly wrong about Percy before. I remember standing in line at 12:30 AM to buy my copy of OoTP making bets with other customers as to who was going to die in book 5. My guess was Percy. I have always felt that he was doomed, but things did seem to change in book 5. In HBP, I think Percy will know that he was wrong, but will be too ashamed to come crawling back to the family. His fatal flaw is pride. He loves his family, but he's embarrassed by them because they're poor and his father is an un-ambitious muggle-lover. (Not to say that Percy hates muggles. I don't think he hates them, I just think he sees his father's fascination with them as too weird - when it comes to rules, he's the wizard version of the Dursley's). Percy wants to be known as being different from the rest of the Weasley's, but at the same time I think it hurts him to feel that way because he does love them and he does know right from wrong. I don't think he'll be a death eater. He was never EVIL, just misguided. I think he will have nowhere to go after Fudge is out of the ministry, and he will just kind of go solo. But since I can't get past the idea that he will die, I will go ahead and guess that he will eventually go to see Molly and discover her being tortured or something and die protecting her.


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Old May 12th, 2005, 8:19 pm
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I agree that he definitely has powerful ambitions, but that would have to be coupled with a hatred for Muggle-borns for him to join Voldemort. Percy definitely doesn't have that. He was raised by a Dad who loves Muggles. He has friendships with plenty of half-bloods.
However, he's also seen how his father's love for Muggles has kept him (Arthur) from promotions - and more power - within the Ministry.

I don't think Percy will become a Death Eater...I do think he will become something more like Umbridge. As I've said before...it's not a long walk from where we left him in book five to where she was at the beginning of the same. Both power hungry, willing to do what it takes to look good in the boss's eyes, or make the boss look good...and increase one's own stock at the same time.

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Do you think so? He seemed like a good leader as Prefect and Head Boy. I wonder why Dumbldeore chose him if he wasn't a good leader.

But was he...I was listening in the car the other day as the kids were watching PoA on the DVD and noticed how he had to really push his way through the crowd to get to the fat lady's portrait (when Sirius tried to get into Gryffindor). Granted, this was the movie interpretation of it, but JKR's said that there was a lot of foreshadowing in that movie. Anyway...he had to keep yelling at the kids to move, "I'm HEAD BOY." And nobody really moved...he still had to push his way through. Nothing in the world like a bureaucrat scorned...make a pencil pusher feel powerless and you've unleashed a he** like no other. (I used to work in a very large state university system...trust me.)


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Old May 12th, 2005, 9:20 pm
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But was he...I was listening in the car the other day as the kids were watching PoA on the DVD and noticed how he had to really push his way through the crowd to get to the fat lady's portrait (when Sirius tried to get into Gryffindor).
I agree that he was a good leader. I was asking that question in more of a rhetorical way, although now that I read it, I see that I didn't do as good job of that.

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Well, there probably isn't much choice in the Slytherin house, they're all power hungry...but unless someone like Umbridge is somehow put in charge of Hogwarts, I'm sure Malfoy would never get made HB.
Very fair point. And as for Umbridge being put back in charge at Hogwarts, may I just say: NOOOOOOOOO!!


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Old May 12th, 2005, 10:42 pm
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Do you think so? He seemed like a good leader as Prefect and Head Boy. I wonder why Dumbldeore chose him if he wasn't a good leader.
I was just saying that he always follows whoever has the most power. At Hogwarts, it was Dumbledore, at the Ministry, it was Crouch Sr. and Fudge.
Also, I'm sure Dumbledore isn't the only one to choose Head Boy/Girl and the Prefects. He may have the final say, but at most schools (at least where i live) students are nominated by teachers for that kind of position. I dunno. Maybe it's different in Scotland.


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Old May 12th, 2005, 11:14 pm
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I was just saying that he always follows whoever has the most power. At Hogwarts, it was Dumbledore, at the Ministry, it was Crouch Sr. and Fudge.
I think that is a valid point. He does seem to follow whomever is in power.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 9:17 am
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Personally i think Percy is going to go back to his family and hang his head in shame... And then start surporting Harry in the same way he suported Fudge and for the same reasons.
I'd really like to believe that the Weasley family will be reunited and all end happy ever after but for Percy to go back he will have to admit that he was wrong. This would require Percy to undergo a massive growth in wisdom and humility and I just don't think we have seen any evidence of that in his character to date.

Yes Percy hangs on other peoples shirt tails but that is to allow himself to get in a position to use their authority if not his own. What worries me is where he will now look for a shirt tail to hang onto; admittedly this does not need to be the deatheaters but as we have been warned before that isn't the only anti OotP option.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 10:14 am
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I think the moment in the Second Task is crucial to our understanding of Percy...his family means more to him than he lets on...I think he will go back.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 10:41 am
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I think the moment in the Second Task is crucial to our understanding of Percy...his family means more to him than he lets on...I think he will go back.
You're right . You can't possibly grow up with the Weasleys and become something horrible and nasty, but no family's perfect so we saw the Weasleys' fault(s) in OoTP.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 11:16 am
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I think he will go back to the Weasleys' family. After all, he is the son of Mr and Mrs Weasley. I mean think about it, no matter how much wrong you have done, your parents will forgive you eventually. Furthermore, Percy has been away from home for about year now (starting last June, since he was offered a job in Fudge's office). It is time for the cold war to end between him and his parents.

In addition, Mrs Weasley has been missing on him, even to the extent that she was afraid that Percy would die in the hands of Voldemort or the death eaters. This shows that she has already forgiven him for the rudeness he showed infront of his parents.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 11:48 am
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originally posted by Hermy Weasley2 But according to Sirius the world isn't divided into good people and Death Eaters, and, as we see in OoTP, he's right. Fudge & Co. aren't pro-Voldemort. They didn't want to admit that Dumbledore and Harry were right because that would take away from their prestige and power status which are two things they obviously hold dearly in their lives.

All Percy wants to do is to have that same status symbol since Arthur never has. His only mistake in PoA is that he sees siding with the Ministry as the only way to do that, and because his parents disagree with the Ministry, he rejected them to follow something he felt was more important. Now that Fudge has changed his mind, Percy will see no harm in rejoining his parents.

Percy's not a bad person and he's not on his way to becoming a Death Eater, because if nothing else, it's against the rules especially now that everyone's eyes have been opened. But Ithink we'll see some growth in Percy's character in HBP and the seventh book as he could possibly come to judge right and wrong based on something higher than rules. I have confidence that he will.


Now that I think about it, the whole situation with Ministry supporters versus non-Ministry is supporters is like a civil war.
All undoubtedly true , but that is what i was trying to say ,Hermy !! Sirius was right about the Ministry , they were a classic caught in the middle clueless case all through , although I do not think the same of dear Dolores. But now that things are in the open , there are only two sides to it , right? You either get to support Voldemort , or you dont . THAT is what I was saying.
And I still think that if Perce comes back into the fold at all , it'll be at the end of HBP or towards the end atleast , we will not see an apologetic , humbled Perce at the very beginning......CHEERS !!


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Old May 13th, 2005, 5:43 pm
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I think the moment in the Second Task is crucial to our understanding of Percy...his family means more to him than he lets on...I think he will go back.
Even when Percy is being obnoxious, he loves his family. He was freaking out over Ron when Harry saved him from the lake. And even in the letter that Percy wrote to Ron advising him to stay away from Harry in OoTP, Percy was showing love and concern. He truly believed that he Ron was in danger from being around Harry. That is ridiculous, of course, but it does prove that he cares about his family.

As a matter of fact, in the letter he said:

"I sincerely hope that, in time, they will realize how mistaken they were and I shall, of course, be ready to accept a full apology when that day comes."

He wanted reconciliation. Perhaps in HBP, he will realize how mistaken he was and his family shall, of course, accept a full apology from him.


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As a matter of fact, in the letter he said:

"I sincerely hope that, in time, they will realize how mistaken they were and I shall, of course, be ready to accept a full apology when that day comes."
I think the key part here is Percy is accepting their apology - that is a position of power, magnaminous but still power. To be able to appologise requires humility and I cannot think of any canon evidence that shows any humility on Percy's part. (please correct me if you can, part of me still wants Percy to 'grow up!')


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Old May 13th, 2005, 6:57 pm
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I don't know how, but I think he'll land the job of new Minister of Magic. He always has been ambitious.


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Old May 13th, 2005, 6:59 pm
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I think the key part here is Percy is accepting their apology - that is a position of power, magnaminous but still power. To be able to appologise requires humility and I cannot think of any canon evidence that shows any humility on Percy's part.
I agree with you about Percy not showing humility. I can't see any evidence of that either. And I also think that you do make a good point about his desire to see them apologize. That would give him a sense of power. But I still also think that it shows a desire for reconciliation. Otherwise, he wouldn't have mentioned it. I think he would have said that he was cutting them off completely. Your points are very good. Thanks for opening my eyes to that!


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But now that things are in the open , there are only two sides to it , right? You either get to support Voldemort , or you dont . THAT is what I was saying.
you have a good point, but I don't think the wizarding world is or has ever been that black and white as far pro-Voldemort and anti-Voldemort people are concerned. There's bound to be people who are in it themselves and are playing both sides to their own benefit. When Harry learns Sirius is his Godfather in PoA we find out that in the first war, no one knew who to trust. Yes, that has a lot to do with the Imperius Curse, threats, blackmail, etc, but I'm sure some witches and wizards were just double-crossing liars.

In my opinion, if Wormtail had more of a backbone he'd be like that, because he only serves Voldemort out of fear of him. Don't get me wrong, though, that doesn't make him any less bad since he still betrayed Lily and James to save his own skin.


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Old May 14th, 2005, 2:25 am
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but I'm sure some witches and wizards were just double-crossing liars.
*coughBellatrix Lestrangecough*


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Old May 14th, 2005, 3:27 am
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you have a good point, but I don't think the wizarding world is or has ever been that black and white as far pro-Voldemort and anti-Voldemort people are concerned. There's bound to be people who are in it themselves and are playing both sides to their own benefit. When Harry learns Sirius is his Godfather in PoA we find out that in the first war, no one knew who to trust. Yes, that has a lot to do with the Imperius Curse, threats, blackmail, etc, but I'm sure some witches and wizards were just double-crossing liars.
Besides the double crossers, and probably more numerous, are the pure bloods who don't really support Voldemort but that generally favor pure blood supremacy. These people would just sit in the background, and be safe both because of their blood and their beliefs. They have no need to really declare either way. It is the half-bloods, muggle-borns, and radical pure-bloods (though it may not seem like they are radical, it becomes apparent when you look at the percentage of the population that they occupy) that are really fighting Voldemort. As we know from OotP, Voldemort had quite a backing before the wizarding world realized exactly how brutal and domineering he was. Yet even after this realization, the Order and anti-Voldemort people in general were greatly outnumbered during Vold War I. Clearly, this shows that a large portion of the wizarding world is not on either side, but is biding their time. It's all well and good if the Order defeats Voldemort, and even if Voldemort wins, they will be fairly safe, in a large part due to the fact that they didn't fight with the Order. There will simply be no need to kill them (for a while at least).


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i think he'll eventually apoligize, i mean family is everything, especially for the Weasley's


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Old May 14th, 2005, 5:23 am
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I don't know what Percy will do when it comes to working for the Ministry of Magic. I thought maybe those who didn't believe Voldemort was back would be fired but that would be a lot of people. Or maybe because he was apart of Fudge's staff he'll be fired with Fudge as well. But, no matter what happens to his job, I think he'll come back home to his family and apoligize for all the hurtful things he said. (but not after being stubborn for awhile) Percy and his family will make up and things will be almost back to normal.


 
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