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Old June 24th, 2005, 6:54 pm
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Here's a related thread regarding Percy being a spy for the ministry against the family.

http://www.cosforums.com/showthread.php?t=42228

I feel strongly that Percy has made an alliance with Umbridge and gave here info to enable the dementors attack against Harry in Little Whinging. He probably wouldn't want anyone else to know about this error in judgement, including Fudge, and if it's true he is now vulnerable to blackmail.


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Old June 24th, 2005, 7:41 pm
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Percy knows now, that he, Fudge and Umbridge had been wrong about the return of Voldemort. I don't think, that he will join the dark side; he is ambitious, but he's more like Crouch sen.

But he has two problems to deal with: How to apologize to his family? He is proud and it can't be easy for him to go back. The reaction of Fred and George will not be friendly and forgiving.

In his short career at the Ministry he has blundered twice now. He is ambitious and I think, he will try to do something, which might improve his situation. I can see him doing something heroic and stupid, like going after a group of DE's alone.


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Old June 24th, 2005, 8:39 pm
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Percy will have a rough road now that the Ministry is changing. I mean rough emotionally. He screwed up by picking the wrong side and showing some attitude with his close knit family. So now he has to admit he was wrong... will he? mmm... I am willing to bet one of his parents will open the door... remember his mother tried in OotP. I am betting that Pennelope is with him now... they were dating through the last few years of school. I wonder why we haven't heard about her more. She may be a pushing factor.

I think he will come back to the Weasley fold... his work...? I wouldn't be surprised if Percy needs a job. I don't think he was under any curses so he acted of his own free will. At least he is young and that may work in his favor. His father should be in better standing at the Ministry now so maybe he can help.

Poor Percy... it was horrible being young and niave. I hope we get to hear from him in the HBP... I would like to see how he is really doing. AND what he is doing!


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Old June 24th, 2005, 9:46 pm
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I feel strongly that Percy has made an alliance with Umbridge and gave here info to enable the dementors attack against Harry in Little Whinging. He probably wouldn't want anyone else to know about this error in judgement, including Fudge, and if it's true he is now vulnerable to blackmail.
What info could Percy give Umbridge that the Ministry didnt already know?

They knew where Harry lived. Ministry knew he could produce a Patronus from the multiple public displays in Book Three. What more did Umbridge need to send a dementer on him so he would defend himself?

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Old June 24th, 2005, 11:28 pm
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If he does return to the good side of magic, then he'll have a lot of explaining to do.


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Old June 24th, 2005, 11:51 pm
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Percy is an ambitious git, and he tried to further his career by attaching himself to Crouch and then Fudge. Not a bad move; as both Fudge and Crouch have much influence and power in the Ministry and they are well positioned to bring along a young mans career. Of course this all becomes a complete mess. First Crouch is proven to have done something very illegal and ultimately very damaging to the Ministry. Then Fudge is proven to be a complete failure since he refused to believe that Voldemort had returned.

Where does that leave Percy? As the underling to two people who suffered spectacular failures within the last two year, Percy can only be considered damaged goods. What do you do with damage goods? Either throw them out or shove them into the corner.

I think it highly likely that he will be shoved into a very detestable {from his point of view (POV)} job. From his POV he will feel that he can't go back to his family and he will feel abandoned by everyone. I do not think he will knowingly help the Death Eaters but in his desire to somehow regain his footing he will be manipulated into to something for the death eaters.

Whether or not things transpire like I see it, JK surely has some interesting plans for this flawed character.


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Old June 25th, 2005, 10:35 pm
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Percy's a Git

I didn't read the first forum, so this may already be said - sorry if it repeats other's theories.

I don't believe Percy will every willfully go back to his family and apologize. In the first book Dumbledore tells Harry that it is the choices one makes in life that are important. I think this is an important thread running through the entire series. In such, Percy has made terrible choices. He chooses his ambition and power over his family and I think that is one of the worst choices you could ever make. He is not loyal and will turn on those who get in his way. Not even the thought of losing his father made him come back into the fold, so I doubt being wrong would do it.

He has also made poor choices in who he works for and who he chooses as his mentors. First Couch and then Fudge, both are amibitous and a little stupid. To continue in this pattern, I think he will continue to make poor choices as far as mentors are concerned. At this point, someone will have to request him since he is in with Fudge. We know that in the first war there were spies in the Ministry and can assume there will continue to be spies working there. One of them could easily select Percy as his/her assistant - "I'll be kind to Arther's son and take him." Percy is so willing to be manipulated that he could easily fall under a spell. He may go back and apologize to his family, but I feel he would only do this if he was under the power of the Dark Lord. He would then be in a good position to spy on his family but not be doing it under his own free will.

I've read a lot of people mentioning his care of Ron when he thought he had drowned or his letter to Ron as showing signs that he is truly caring. What this showed is that he could have gone either way, but Book 5 is a crucial turning point for him as a character. I believe his choices have long term consequences.

People have also mentioned his being a Gryffendor and part of the Weasley family as being some sort of clue that he's not bad and will turn out alright in the end. I don't believe it. I think the Serius quote is crucial here. There aren't just good wizards and death eaters. There also aren't good people in every family - look at the Dursleys for goodness sakes. Percy may have elements of braveness (turning your back on your family when you truly think they're nutters is considered by some brave), but his other qualities that are not so noble are what will bring him down in the end.

As far as book two goes, I think it is highly significant that Ron says that Tom Riddle reminds him of Percy. I don't think this is a throw away line by JK. I also think Percy lurking around and such in the library and in the dungeon wasn't entirely due to Penelope. I think there was something else darker going on with him. The Penelope thing was to throw us off the track.

In the end, I feel Percy needs to die. Maybe he'll redeem himself or maybe as he's dieing he'll express his love for his family. But at this point, I think Percy is too far gone and cannot be redeemed.

My 2 cents anyway -- sorry the long post -- thought I could say it more succinctly


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Old June 27th, 2005, 4:45 pm
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Wow... the last two posts really have me thinking.

I agree with Sssith in that Percy has made himself dispensible and very well may end up with a pit job... It would be comical if his father was promoted and he replaced him. I don't know if that would really happen but I would like to see that, mostly because I would like to see Arthur promoted.

Then I read Charmseeker... I can totally see this happening. I really like how you put it... it makes lots of sence. I don't see him dying until the last book because it would take away from that story line. Since there is a war there will have to be spies and you are right Percy is ripe for the taking. Pity, too. I hadn't thought of him being down in the dungouns... who do you think he was talking to or doing? Wasn't Penelope in Ravenclaw? I mean, she wasn't in Slytherin. Not that everyone else is good.


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Old June 29th, 2005, 12:54 am
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First off, I want to say that if Fudge makes an attempt to keep his position as Minister of Magic., he will most likely offer to assist Dumbledore in the ifght against Voldemort. So, I think that because Percy basically 'worships' the Ministry, he will join up with Dumbledore, as well (assuming Fudge does decide to help Dumbledore. Even though Molly and Arthur are very loving parents and will know doubt want to forgive Percy, he did cross way over the line. Percy is going to have to do some major apologizing if he is ever going to gain the Trio's and the rest of the Weasley's trust again.

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Old June 29th, 2005, 2:17 am
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Percy seems to have a strong dislike for Harry, this could mean that he'll join Voldemort.

Another possibilty, He doesn't like Harry because he was Ginny's first love and they never hooked up. So he'd go back to his family and secretly try to get them together.

Two totally opposite ideas, geeze, I'm a nut. ^~


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Old June 29th, 2005, 3:59 am
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Percy does need to die...I hope he is the one Rowling kills off!! But she said that there would be a new Minister of Magic in book 6/7 could this be Percy? He is quite like Voldemort and Voldemort had to gain power at some point so this could be Percy's gaining of power. Of course I doubt he would be a second Voldemort because hopefully he will die...Someone needs to form a *Murder Percy* club because i would surely be a proud member of it...


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Old June 29th, 2005, 4:32 am
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Granted Percy is one of those characters that we're not exactly fond of and when we have a chance to ourtright dislike him we jump on it, but there's something that's just not right about the whole thing. I mean we know from the way he acted at the tri-wizard tournament he cares for his family and that he gave Harry full marks. I still contend because we heard the argument from the twin's point of view there is more them meets they eye. However I will also admit, that I could be completely wrong.


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Old June 29th, 2005, 5:54 pm
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Percy's parents will forgive him the first chance they will get. His siblings will have to get over it and the will. Everyone will be happy having him back in the family. I am sure he feels differently about Harry now that he KNOWS the truth.

I am not sure how far Fudge will go into the HBP. I still think Arthur will get a much needed promotion and Percy will somehow use this to stay in the Ministry.


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Old June 29th, 2005, 9:27 pm
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Percy's parents will forgive him the first chance they will get. His siblings will have to get over it and the will. Everyone will be happy having him back in the family. I am sure he feels differently about Harry now that he KNOWS the truth.

I am not sure how far Fudge will go into the HBP. I still think Arthur will get a much needed promotion and Percy will somehow use this to stay in the Ministry.
Call me cycnical, but I think there's a good point there...Percy will come back to the fold if Arthur gets promoted - not saying Arthur will be the next Minister, but we won't know for a couple of weeks. (I don't see him taking it, if offered...too much time away from the family, perhaps...then again, the kids are all in school most of the year and Molly's busy fighting the war too.)

So, I've talked myself into this: Arthur is the new Minister of Magic; Percy comes back to the family to beg forgiveness and job security (not out of familial loyaltly, but out of a sense of self-preservation).

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Old June 30th, 2005, 12:37 am
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Call me cycnical, but I think there's a good point there...Percy will come back to the fold if Arthur gets promoted - not saying Arthur will be the next Minister, but we won't know for a couple of weeks. (I don't see him taking it, if offered...too much time away from the family, perhaps...then again, the kids are all in school most of the year and Molly's busy fighting the war too.)

So, I've talked myself into this: Arthur is the new Minister of Magic; Percy comes back to the family to beg forgiveness and job security (not out of familial loyaltly, but out of a sense of self-preservation).

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Thats a good idea...but then again Mr. Weasley doesn't seem all that popular at the MOM and he is poor so obviously he doesn't have one of the top-notch jobs so it would be kinda weird if he went from that to Minister...It would be cool though and I hope you're right..except about the part where Percy comes back and everybodys happy because I still want Percy to die.


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Old June 30th, 2005, 12:39 am
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Sorry Fanmom... JKR already said Arthur will not be the new Minister. I would love that too. I don't think that Percy will have to 'come back and ask forgivness' I think Molly will find him herself... she has already tried to reach him two or three times in OotP. He will come back to the fold unless Voldemort or his supporters find a way to change his mind.

I also believe that The Weasleys are poor because of Lucius and Fudge... they are gone now. I am hoping that their poorness will change.


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Old July 14th, 2005, 8:00 am
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I think that he will turn to whoever gives him the most power. It says towards the beginning of OOF that he didn't bother to report Crouch because he liked being in power. I may be wrong on this, but those are my feelings.


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Old July 14th, 2005, 4:55 pm
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Ron said that... I think he knows his brother best... but fear can humble a guy... even Percy. I still think he will go home.

Did it ever say what his actual feelings were about Voldemort? I mean, does he like him or what? I really don't know. I don't remember reading anything about this.


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Old July 14th, 2005, 6:03 pm
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i think percy will be ashamed of the mistakes hes made and wont know how to come back to the weasleys and he'll,like somebody on this thread said, try and do somethink heroic to regain their trust. but i think the little git will be killed trying to do so and never get to apologize. or he'll join voldemort and then get in good with the order and feed info to the death eaters. but really their are a lot of possibiltys and only future books will tell.


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Old July 14th, 2005, 6:10 pm
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i think percy will be ashamed of the mistakes hes made and wont know how to come back to the weasleys and he'll,like somebody on this thread said, try and do somethink heroic to regain their trust. but i think the little git will be killed trying to do so and never get to apologize. or he'll join voldemort and then get in good with the order and feed info to the death eaters. but really their are a lot of possibiltys and only future books will tell.

I'm sorry... I just can't see Percy being a double spy. I can see him doing something stupid (heroic) to regain the families trust, but I still think Molly will hunt him down out of love and beg him to come home. And if Arthur is not receptive her giving Arthur a wifley tap in the back of the head...

I hope the Voldemort part never comes to pass. I can see him being coerced or forced to Voldemort's side... I wish I knew how Percy felt about Voldemort.


 
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