Login  
 
 
Go Back   Chamber of Secrets > Forum Archives > Harry Potter Archives > Divination Studies

Destruction of a Horcrux



 
 
Thread Tools
  #41  
Old July 20th, 2005, 2:43 pm
Fingolfin  Male.gif Fingolfin is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 5075 days
Location: Belleriand
Posts: 33
To destroy them harry must travel to mordor and destroy them in the fires of mount doom from whence they were made !... oh wait wrong book

Seriously though, the way they are made is through death, what if its the opposite that will destroy them life or possibly love, what if harry has discovered one by Bills wedding and still doesnt know how to destroy them but because it was present is destroyed by the beginning of life or because of love.


__________________
<a href="http://quizilla.com/users/senkomoon/quizzes/Harry%20Potter%3A%20Which%20Member%20of%20the%20Re scue%20Mission%20Are%20You%3F%20(with%20all%20new% 20pics!)/"><img src="http://images.quizilla.com/S/senkomoon/1085739023_rescueluna.jpg" border="0" alt="luna"><br> <font size="-1">Harry Potter: Which Member of the Rescue Mission Are You? (with all new pics!)</font></a><BR> <font size="-3">brought to you by <a href="http://quizilla.com">Quizilla</a></font>
Sponsored Links
  #42  
Old July 20th, 2005, 2:50 pm
irishjayhawk  Male.gif irishjayhawk is offline
Second Year
 
Joined: 4694 days
Location: Overland Park, Kansas
Age: 30
Posts: 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalziel
I'm really intrigued by possible plot(s) in book seven. After all, going to get to a horcrux (the locket -false clue) in a watery cave and climbing up cliffs was quite a quest. Now harry has to find four more (is it 4?) Sounds like these quests could almost use a book each!

anyway, to destroy them will depend on what each is made from --- melt down the locket, crush a crystal or rock etc. With each Horcrux gone, LV has lost a bit more of his soul. By the time Harry has to confront him, he will be pretty much a zombie and I don't think Harry's humanity will find much in LV still human.

BIG problem to me --- I think part of LV's soul has been left in Harry (Maybe entered through his scar). In order for LV to survive, Harry can't kill himself. But, in order for LV to be killed, Harry has to die too. "Neither can live while the other survives."

I hate this idea but I really believe Harry will not survive after killing LV. I think it's the only possible ending. It also means that JKR cannot be pursuaded to write further episodes after Hogwarts. This will REALLY be the last part of the story.
I think you may be on to something here about dying, not that it hasn't been said before. Anyway, I think the point is that Harry can survive if he is the last horcrux because of the theme love. Therefore, he can love Ginny to eradicate the horcrux and then destroy Voldemort.


  #43  
Old July 20th, 2005, 3:35 pm
alphega1983  Male.gif alphega1983 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4695 days
Location: Grimmauld Place
Age: 35
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishjayhawk
I think you may be on to something here about dying, not that it hasn't been said before. Anyway, I think the point is that Harry can survive if he is the last horcrux because of the theme love. Therefore, he can love Ginny to eradicate the horcrux and then destroy Voldemort.
If there is a piece of Voldemort's soul inside of Harry, when Harry destroys his body the only part of him remaining would be inside of Harry. As a result of this, from voldemorts point of view he would be suffering a fate worst than death because he will be surrounded by the thing he hates the most which is love.


  #44  
Old July 20th, 2005, 4:36 pm
Peskipiksi  Undisclosed.gif Peskipiksi is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 5136 days
Posts: 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotmama2
Well....there is a portrait of Dumbledore in the headmasters/mistress' office - so Harry will have to visit Hogwarts (or whereever Dumbledore's other portrait hangs) to talk to him....I'm sure he will be able to give Harry advice and answer questions! (after he wakes up - I'm sure there is a time after death that the person/portrait must rest and come to terms with their own death before they are ready to converse with others.)
What about the Chocolate Frog cards? Can the pictures talk, I've never heard them talk, but DD did not want the MoM to take him off the cards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingolfin
To destroy them harry must travel to mordor and destroy them in the fires of mount doom from whence they were made !... oh wait wrong book

Seriously though, the way they are made is through death, what if its the opposite that will destroy them life or possibly love, what if harry has discovered one by Bills wedding and still doesnt know how to destroy them but because it was present is destroyed by the beginning of life or because of love.

My thoughts entirely, where better than Mount Doom! I have been trying to work out a way to get rid of them without dying! Iarwain - Elvish for oldest, my elvish name on a diff. site!


  #45  
Old July 20th, 2005, 6:02 pm
Irised  Female.gif Irised is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 5079 days
Posts: 20
Gosh, there is so much for Harry to do - and if the one Horcrux could do so much damage to DD's arm, how on earth is Harry going to manage four?
And what is he going to do with the one that resides in his scar, turn the wand to his head and say Adava Kedavra? And then who's going to kill LV after that?


  #46  
Old July 20th, 2005, 6:41 pm
Quicksilver  Female.gif Quicksilver is offline
Second Year
 
Joined: 4728 days
Location: Tol Eressea
Posts: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irised
Gosh, there is so much for Harry to do - and if the one Horcrux could do so much damage to DD's arm, how on earth is Harry going to manage four?
And what is he going to do with the one that resides in his scar, turn the wand to his head and say Adava Kedavra? And then who's going to kill LV after that?
Snape mentions to Narcissa in Spinner's End that, "...DD is growing old. The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower that they once were." pg 31 AE

So maybe since Harry is younger he will be able to avoid an injury.

We don't know that his scar is a HC. But if it is Harry will have to die I think.


  #47  
Old July 20th, 2005, 7:06 pm
CVSTODES  Male.gif CVSTODES is offline
Second Year
 
Joined: 4701 days
Age: 37
Posts: 185
First of all, some people have brought up the possibility of Voldemort creating additional horcruxes beyond the initial 6. I don't believe this is the case. If the magical number is 7, then Voldemort's soul would have been spread across 7 objects. If they're destroyed and Voldemort continued to make them, the aspect of 7 would be lost. Yes, there might be 7 at that time, but I think the initial splitting into 7 is the most important. Aside from this, I think Dumbledore would have brought up this possibility when he and Harry were discussing the destruction of the diary.

Aside from that, I think it's very likely that R.A.B. will have left behind notes about the horcruxes; clues about their location, how the soul can be extracted from the object and destroyed, etc. If Dumbledore was unable to find the cave for such a long time and was most likely unaware that R.A.B. made the swap, it's very likely that Harry would be unable to find the locations of the remaining ones without some kind of help. If R.A.B. is Regulus Black and Harry plans to live in the Black's house after moving away from the Dursley's, the stage is set for Harry to find notes/penseive memories left behind by Regulus.

Also, about Harry or his scar being a horcrux... while I find that very unlikely for reasons I've posted before, there is no indication that Harry needs to die for the horcrux to be removed. The diary was not completely destroyed nor was the ring Dumbledore obtained.


__________________
En los montes, montes soy
  #48  
Old July 20th, 2005, 7:15 pm
Durandal's Avatar
Durandal  Undisclosed.gif Durandal is offline
Fifth Year
 
Joined: 4853 days
Location: Last seen around Tau Ceti.
Posts: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrLazy_89
Maybe Harry needs to use the spell that Voldemort used to kill the specific victim for a certain Horcux .............u get it right?

For example if Voldemort killed Regulus with the Avada Kedavra than harry need to use the avada Kedavra on the hurcrox ( this is an example only, regulus was killed after the horcruxes)
Brilliant idea, poetic justice seven times over. The only problem is that Voldemort probably used Avada Kedavera on most of his victims, and Harry can't cast a decent Unforgivable (not that I fault him for that.)

Incidentally, I figure a good Patronus could kill off Voldemort in the end. A Patronus is the opposite of Avada Kedavera, it relies on the caster having a strong soul, happy memories, and such things. I would love to see Voldemort with only 1/7th (or 1/64th for those of us who are mathematically inclined) of a soul being killed by a Patronus like some common Dementor.


__________________
"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to."
-Leela, Ship Operations AI, UESC Marathon, 2794

"The final chapter of the seventh book is written."
-Joanne Kathleen Rowling, July 1999
  #49  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 1:49 am
jgarden14  Undisclosed.gif jgarden14 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4694 days
Posts: 14
Does anyone know the answer to my Q.?
Wait how did DD black his hand. Whemn he destroyted it, or when he got it. (Like did he injure himself getting it through the magic barraiers. Or when he blew it up or whatever)


  #50  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 2:09 am
XRadianceX  Female.gif XRadianceX is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4692 days
Location: Oregon (in the States)
Posts: 68
The Portrait in the Headmasters office will almost certainly be of some use- there is much speculation on this that I will not go into. There is also multiple other persons that know, Dumbledore cant be the only one, right?

...



.::.


  #51  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 10:22 pm
crazytook  Undisclosed.gif crazytook is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4691 days
Posts: 6
I think that in order to understand the destruction of a horcrux, we need to think about how horcruxes (sp?) are made. In order to make one, you need to do an act of evil, aka murdering somebody. So, it stands to reason that in order to destroy a(n) horcrux, you need to do an act of good. Nowhere does it say that you have to destroy the actual object to destroy the horcrux, unless im mistaking. If you think about the two horcruxes that we know for sure were destroyed, (the ring and the diary) we know that it took a sacrifice to destroy them (harry got bit by a basilsik, and dumbledore sacrificed his hand.) So, my working theory, is that destroying the rest will NOT be easy, and will require some kind of sacrifice from the characters. This also relates right back to the fact that the power harry has over Voldemort is love. And I do agree with the theory that harry is the sixth horcrux. However, I don't think harry will have to die in order to destroy his horcrux. I think maybe Ron will sacrifice himself for harry, thus the act of good needed to destroy his horcrux, then harry's free to defeat voldemort. (by the by, i say ron because there are many theories that show that ron's death has been foreshadowed.)


  #52  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 11:16 pm
orangejo28  Male.gif orangejo28 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4694 days
Location: Michigan
Posts: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by slavetopadfoot
maybe if harry just threw all of the objects through the veil, they could be destroyed that way
But what happens if he tries and it dosen't work lol. Anyone aspiring to get the horcrux would die before they got to it, that would stink.


  #53  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 11:17 pm
DrLazy_89  Male.gif DrLazy_89 is offline
Third Year
 
Joined: 4706 days
Location: in a City
Age: 29
Posts: 469
Quote:
Originally Posted by Durandal
Brilliant idea, poetic justice seven times over. The only problem is that Voldemort probably used Avada Kedavera on most of his victims, and Harry can't cast a decent Unforgivable (not that I fault him for that.)

Incidentally, I figure a good Patronus could kill off Voldemort in the end. A Patronus is the opposite of Avada Kedavera, it relies on the caster having a strong soul, happy memories, and such things. I would love to see Voldemort with only 1/7th (or 1/64th for those of us who are mathematically inclined) of a soul being killed by a Patronus like some common Dementor.
but wouldn't that be too easy i mean.......because even if harry destroys all the hurcruxes voldemort is still very strong and i think that harry needs to do something more than that like stabb him with GG's sword


  #54  
Old July 22nd, 2005, 11:21 pm
orangejo28  Male.gif orangejo28 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4694 days
Location: Michigan
Posts: 28
If Voldemort is indeed mortal again couldn't an object like Gryfindor's sword (or anything like that) kill him.

Edit:well okay so drlazy thought of it before i refreshed


  #55  
Old July 24th, 2005, 1:41 am
crumseekerlynch  Undisclosed.gif crumseekerlynch is offline
Fourth Year
 
Joined: 5018 days
Posts: 526
I don't know how he will destroy them, I thought Dumbledore was going to teach him before he died. Maybe his picture will.


__________________
I'm smart and I win!
  #56  
Old July 24th, 2005, 1:55 am
SeekerLynch  Male.gif SeekerLynch is offline
Fourth Year
 
Joined: 5069 days
Location: Tennessee, US
Age: 27
Posts: 520
Maybe Harry can find another Basilisk, kill it, and use it's fangs to destroy the other Horcruxes. lol


  #57  
Old July 24th, 2005, 4:35 am
MidlifeCrisis  Undisclosed.gif MidlifeCrisis is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4713 days
Posts: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by fortuna_major
Ok well i was just thinking, i may not describe what im thinking right but im sure you'll get the jist of it. Anyways, ok we now know that love is harrys uderestimated weapon, ok so harry is protecting Ginny by breaking up with her, as as stated above it ould be just like Ginny to get back in somehow, But ok this is what i was thinking ginny gets caught by V and is being used as a lure or something, harry goes up against V and V aims likea Ava kad at ginny, harry jumps in the way sacrificing himself for love! and as V has marked Harry as his equal is his undoing, not just bouncing opf harry as it did origianly but turing on V instead. obvoiulsy at his point harry would have found the horcruxs's i dunno but it seems plausable any ideas?
I thought of this today myself, while on my second read-through of HBP, and I knew I couldn't possibly be the only person to whom this had occurred. Then I thought of something that might shoot that theory down, unfortunately: will Harry even be given the chance to live by Voldy? In order for the curse to rebound, according to JKR, he has to choose to die (since Lily was given the chance to live and chose to die). I don't think Voldy will give him that choice - I think Voldy would kill him off just for good measure, even if he didn't think he was much of a threat anymore. But, I still think it's a good theory & it might come to fruition somehow - we don't have all the details yet as to how the AK-rebound works.


  #58  
Old July 24th, 2005, 6:34 am
akat123  Female.gif akat123 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4691 days
Location: USA
Age: 29
Posts: 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by panda10128
There are two problems that arise from HBP. First of all Harry doesn't know how to destroy a horocrux without piercing it with a basilisk fang. Dumbledore never tells him how to so how will Harry know how to destroy them presuming he finds the horocruxes? I bet it requires quite a bit of magic. Secondly the problem with the last horocrux in Voldemort is that Harry is pure of heart and all that soo he can't use the unforgivable curses. Thats why they fail on Bellatrix. He can't cause her pain but hes supposed to kill one of the most powerful wizards ever. Sure he has anger but I thought you had to want to cause pain and like it. Harry just wants revenge on him and snape so how's he gonna do it?

Maybe he can slash everything with Sectusempra?

That spell peirces things with a sword and causes slash marks, etc. While it is a powerful bit of dark magic, it is not an unforgivable. Maybe harry can use Sectusempra on Voldemort himself, too. Kill him with stab wounds.

Or otherwise, for the locket, I'm thinking sledgehammer.

Only joking.

But for an animal? Maybe there's a magical means of extracting a horcrux from something without killing it. A spell of some sort.


  #59  
Old July 24th, 2005, 7:34 am
Lobo237  Male.gif Lobo237 is offline
First Year
 
Joined: 4694 days
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 31
Personally I don't think destroying the objects that are Horcruxes is going to be that difficult. The hard part is recovering them. Now this is my interpretation, but I got the impression that Dumbledore's hand was mangled because of the enchantments that had been left on the ring to protect not, not destroying the ring itself.

Lets say I tell you you need to kill someone. Not that difficult a task. There are a variety of ways to do it that don't require a lot of strategy or effort. Now lets say this person is in a tank. Technically it's still not that hard to kill him, what is hard is getting past the obstacle that the defensive capabilities of the tank provides.

This is how I view the Horcrux quest. Destroying them is the easiest part of the job. Locating them and then getting past their protection is what's going to cause problems.


  #60  
Old July 24th, 2005, 8:19 am
PrtVeela's Avatar
PrtVeela  Female.gif PrtVeela is offline
Fourth Year
 
Joined: 5681 days
Location: Here and there
Age: 33
Posts: 696
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lobo237
Personally I don't think destroying the objects that are Horcruxes is going to be that difficult. The hard part is recovering them. Now this is my interpretation, but I got the impression that Dumbledore's hand was mangled because of the enchantments that had been left on the ring to protect not, not destroying the ring itself.

Lets say I tell you you need to kill someone. Not that difficult a task. There are a variety of ways to do it that don't require a lot of strategy or effort. Now lets say this person is in a tank. Technically it's still not that hard to kill him, what is hard is getting past the obstacle that the defensive capabilities of the tank provides.

This is how I view the Horcrux quest. Destroying them is the easiest part of the job. Locating them and then getting past their protection is what's going to cause problems.
I tend to agree with you . We have also been given other evidence of this as per CoS when Harry used the fang to destroy that Horcrux. I think that destroying them would probably have to be done in some unconventional way. The main reason I believe this is because I know the last thing I would be thinking about when I had a Basalisk fang would have been to put it into the diary. Didn't Harry say he didn't know where the idea came from or why he did it, but it seemed like the thing he had to do (something to that effect, I will find it in the book).

We also know that Voldemort thinks extremley highly of himself, we could deduce this just from his past actions and overall character, but Dumbledore tells us this in HBP as well. Knowing this, he wouldn't have reason to believe that anyone would or could destroy the horcux, therefore, doing it would not be as hard as retrieving them. Voldemort has the uncanny ability repeatedly underestimate those fighting him. He wouldn't assume that people would be able to get past everything let alone actually lay their hands on the actual horcrux.

However, I don't believe that the horcrux's themselves are completley harmless, I just think that they might be slightly easier to destroy then they are to retreive


 
Go Back  Chamber of Secrets > Forum Archives > Harry Potter Archives > Divination Studies

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 2:38 am.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Original content is Copyright MMII - MMVIII, CoSForums.com. All Rights Reserved.
Other content (posts, images, etc) is Copyright its respective owners.