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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:37 am
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Will (and how) Harry Kill Voldemort in the end?

This is not a question of if yiou think Harry will die or whether Voldemort. this thread is designed to ask, If given the chance in the end will Harry kill Voldemort?

Dumbledore was always said that there are worst things than death. this leads me to question if Harry would kill Voldemort or find something else. Also i think that JKR will not have Harry kill anyone. She will want to make him seem more Heroic by not tarnishing his reputation.

Finally, Dumbledore has said that the prophecy does not have to come true. He states that not all the Prophecies have been forfilled. i think it is a matter of choice for Harry.

Well thats my theory, so what do you guys think? Do you think that Harry would kill Voldemort even if he had the chance?



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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:47 am
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"Neither can live while the other survives."
yes I do think that given the chance, Harry will kill Voldemort because the prophecy said so and because Voldemort and his followers have taken all the parent and menor figures out of his life. Voldemort has tried to make life unbearabel for Harry. I don't think that killing Voldemort will tarnish his reputation as everyone hates and fears Voldemort. Any way Dumbledore had to kill a dark wizard in the past and was setting Harry up to kill Voldemort by searching for the Horcruxes.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:50 am
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It has to be done. Nobody else would be able to do it, so Harry either will most likey kill him and survive, or kills Voldemort but winds up dying also...


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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:53 am
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this is also my opinion, Harry will kill LV coz of the prophecy and though it may not be the worst thing LV will think it IS the worst thing. We know that: There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore, he said!


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Old July 20th, 2005, 12:59 am
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the prophecy does not say kill persay though and i dont think harry has it in him to kill. does someone have the exact meaning of vanquish?? maybe harry can find another way to vanquish the dark lord other than the avada kedavra. i think love will save him in the end its just how he applies it....... i can t wait for book 7


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Old July 20th, 2005, 1:21 am
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hm
never occurred to you guys that JK can and might leave the story in a stagnant ending, ie: none of them died yet but HP is as powerful as LV by the end of the 7th book

I've read at least a book that gives stagnant ending, it's ******* me off


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Old July 20th, 2005, 2:19 am
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Yes Dumbledore said it was a choice what Harry did
but i doubt very much that Harry would just leave voldemort to reek havoc
he will want revenge on the one person who has taken so much away from him since birth.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 2:28 am
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for me, the answer to this is still open. jkr likes to create cliffhangers, but then there are times when she doesn't. i believe hp wil kill voldy in book 7, but i still don't quite know.....


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Old July 20th, 2005, 1:06 pm
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Harry HAS to kill him. He just has to. It wouldn't be cricket if Harry died. Harry CAN'T die. Harry is a legacy, there has to be a (relative) good ending.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 6:59 pm
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I believe that in the end, Harry will do what's necessary, even if that means killing Voldemort. Now that we know about the Horcruxes and the fact that Voldemort himself is the final Horcrux, it doesn't seem likely that Harry will just be able to bring about Voldemort's death through an indirect means, but I'm still going to hope for such an outcome.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 7:04 pm
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She will want to make him seem more Heroic by not tarnishing his reputation.
I don't think it would tarnish Harry's reputation to kill Voldemort.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 7:55 pm
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Personally, I think that Harry will not kill Voldemort. I think he will weaken him to the point of Voldemort knowing that he has been beaten and could be killed. At this point Harry will not want to become like him by killing someone. He will show him mercy out of the love in his heart. To Voldemort this will be something worse than death as he has never had anyone show love to him. Thus, not being able to stand it as a result the last fragment of soul that Voldemort has will be released and Voldemort will "die".


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Old July 20th, 2005, 8:37 pm
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i think that harry will find some way to defeat LV without killing him. i dont see harry as a murderer and i dont want to see him become one. maybe it wont be killing, but weakened to a point that he does die. if that makes sense. basically i dont want to see him use the unforgivable curse to kill LV, but if he does it in another way it would be better. if this makes any sense...


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Old July 20th, 2005, 8:39 pm
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Old July 20th, 2005, 8:44 pm
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A part of me believes that Harry will not use the AK curse on LV. I'm not sure of why exactly, it's more a gut feeling. But whatever happens at the end, it needs to completely destroy LV, it needs to be permanent. Perhaps Harry could push him through the veil, even though that seems unlikely.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 8:51 pm
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I think that the HP series has shown too much moral clarity to get bogged down with wishy washy moral equivalancy arguements like...

Harry killing Voldemort = Voldemort killing Lilly

I don't think it would fit into what JKR has written to this point.


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Old July 20th, 2005, 8:51 pm
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I think LV needs to be destroyed, but I don't think Harry will kill him. Perhaps he will destroy all the horcruxes, and then when LV is mortal again, he will somehow kill or destroy himself?

The reasons I don't think Harry will kill LV (as in use the Aveda Kedavra spell) are 1.) No members of the OoTP have used the spell--it is an unforgiveable curse. (although Sirius & Lupin seemed ready to use it in POA, on Pettigrew)
2.) Dumbledore said love is the strongest weapon-not hate. Somehow Harry's capacity to love will be the downfall of LV. I think JKR has hinted at this throughout, especially with how others--Lily, Dumbledore--have sacrificed their lives for Harry.They've shown strength in nontypical ways. 3.) I can't really back this up, but I don't see Harry pointing his wand at LV and saying 'Aveda Kedavra'. It's got to be trickier, or more sophisticated, than that. Using that spell is using the weapon of the DE's, not the Order.


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the prophecy does not say kill persay though and i dont think harry has it in him to kill. does someone have the exact meaning of vanquish?? maybe harry can find another way to vanquish the dark lord other than the avada kedavra. i think love will save him in the end its just how he applies it....... i can t wait for book 7


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Old July 21st, 2005, 10:11 am
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Not having seen this thread, I opened my own thread, it was closed, so I'll repost it here:

Voldemort's Death

After a long and difficult battle, Harry finally disarms (or is that diswands?) Voldemort. Voldemort looks Harry in the eye and says, "Go ahead, I'm defeated, finish me off."

Harry, suddenly becomes calm, and says "No, Tom, I'm not like you. You'll be brought in front of the Wizengamot and spend the rest of your life in Azkaban. Perhaps the Dementors will even give you a kiss. I'm sure they would relish that.

A look of shock comes over Voldemorts face, anything but a kiss. He decides to take the other way out, after all, he has 4 more Horcruxes. He grabs the only thing he has left, the sword of Gryffindor and plunges it deep inside him, as life drains out of his body, he looks up, eyes bright with disbelief, suddenly aware of his loss.


Ok, a bit melodramatic, but Harry is NOT going to kill Voldemort and I think this is the most logical way for it to happen. Voldemort would rather die than be put into prison or have the kiss administered to him; after all, he believes he can come back and I'm sure this time he's made arrangements for it to happen much smoother than last time. There is no indication throughout any of the books that any of TOotP memebers would actually kill. Hell, Dumbledore didn't even like the Dementors. Of course there is a flaw in my theory: I just reread the prophecy and it says "...one must die at the hand of the other." Nevertheless, Rowling will work around that without Harry actually killing Voldemort.


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Old July 21st, 2005, 10:27 am
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I think, somehow, that the killing curse rebounds on Voldemort, as it did when Harry was a baby. Or, if not that curse, something like that happens. Or maybe after Voldemort is completely defeated Harry shows him mercy of some sort, and Voldemort tries one last desperate gamble and loses. Dumbledore has said that Voldemort cannot possess Harry without "enduring mortal agony." Maybe that pain is enough to kill him? He tries to get into Harry's mind to take control, and it won't work. Something like that is what I hope happens, as I don't believe that Harry could kill and keep his soul and remain "untarnished and whole." (both quotes are taken from page 511, American version)


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Old July 21st, 2005, 10:54 am
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Personally, I think that Harry will not kill Voldemort. I think he will weaken him to the point of Voldemort knowing that he has been beaten and could be killed. At this point Harry will not want to become like him by killing someone. He will show him mercy out of the love in his heart. To Voldemort this will be something worse than death as he has never had anyone show love to him. Thus, not being able to stand it as a result the last fragment of soul that Voldemort has will be released and Voldemort will "die".
or, Harry buys LV's last fragment of soul for $5.

good theory there. now where have i heard it before... sounds like a predictable outcome.


 
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