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Old November 2nd, 2003, 10:51 pm
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They can probably do it telepathicly based on how Harry heared Lilly and James


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Old November 2nd, 2003, 10:55 pm
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I have always wondered that myself and I like the point that dobby rocks and morgan le fay brought up about them having thier own language like the goblins, mer people and giants all seem to have.


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Old November 2nd, 2003, 11:03 pm
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I can't help thinking that they can't really talk. Their voices would be like a dry rattle. Do they have tongues? Teeth?

If they don't communicate telepathically, they can still sign and use body language. Fudge could have stayed there late, heard Sirius muttering in his sleep and asked 'Does he always do that?' - a Dementor could have nodded.


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Old November 2nd, 2003, 11:19 pm
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Perhaps the Dementors communicate through the bad memories and thoughts. The rasping breathings is also a very good possibilty.

It seems as if nearly every magical creature can gesture and make their intentions known through physical movement, so sign language could be the universal form of communication for Dementors.


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Old November 2nd, 2003, 11:29 pm
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I think it's almost definite that Dementors can understand instructions and parts of the English language. I'm not terribly sure whether they can actually "talk" as such, themselves.

Do we know if the Dementors are the only "guards" on Azkaban? Is there an unfortunate witch or wizard who has the task of ordering them about? If so this could explain how Fudge was "told" about Sirius's nighttime talking habits.


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Old November 2nd, 2003, 11:33 pm
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I think it's almost definite that Dementors can understand instructions and parts of the English language. I'm not terribly sure whether they can actually "talk" as such, themselves.

Do we know if the Dementors are the only "guards" on Azkaban? Is there an unfortunate witch or wizard who has the task of ordering them about? If so this could explain how Fudge was "told" about Sirius's nighttime talking habits.

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Old November 7th, 2003, 5:54 pm
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Grogan Stump, the newly appointed Minister for Magic, decreed that a "being" was "any creature that has sufficient intelligence to understand the laws if the magical community and to bear part of the responsibility in shaping those laws
Surely that indicates that the "beings" have to be able to communicate to wizards? It also says that merpeople became "beings" due to the fact that people could translate what they were saying. As we have seen, to Harry, the merpeoples voices just sounded like screeches - you couldnt even recognise it as someone saying something. Therefore it is likely Dementors may be able to communicate somehow. I dont think it is necessarily the rattling breath, as that is just sucking in the air, but through the books so far, a Dementor has no reason to speak.

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So it is therefore my theory that a dementor is created when a lethifold has eaten a certain number of victums. The putrid breath and scabby horrible hands sound like a digested victim, and the fact they have human form under their black cloaks.
Thats a very good thought! But I think that there are still differences between Dementors and Lethifolds, that make it not true.
For a start, Dementors are listed as "beings" as they have responsibility, and intelligence, and are usually not a threat to people (but have often been tempted).
Whilst a Lethifold is described as a "beast" and has no interest in whether what it is doing is right or wrong, it seems unable to comunicate with wizards, and is a threat to asolutly anyone - you cannot bargain with them.
However, there are too many similarities for it to be a coincidence, perhaps they are related somehow, but still different (like humans and monkeys). i dont think a Lethifold can turn into a Dementor simly from eating a lot.

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"They breed in the darkest, filthiest places, they create decay and despair, they drain peace, hope and happiness out of any human who comes too close to them... Even Muggles feel their presence, though they can't see them. Get too near a dementor and every good feeling, every happy memory will be sucked out of you. You'll be left with nothing but the worst experiences of your life."
Im sure I had a dream about watching a Lethifold getting fatter...


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Old November 7th, 2003, 11:59 pm
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Death Eaters/ Dementors

Ok, guys, this has happened to me before... if there is a thread like this, feel free to delete mine....

okay... my friends harryfantotheend and DarkMark90 and i came up with this strange theory that when Death Eaters die, they become Dementors. After all, they both share such a hatred to mankind...


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Old November 8th, 2003, 12:09 am
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Intresting.......but I doubt it...........There are alot of Dementors and Death Eaters are fairly new.........also Dementors are another species.........I doubt in Death you change species............its like saying that Harry will die and come back as a centaur............now that would be freaky............. lol..........but good theroy all the same.


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Old November 8th, 2003, 2:52 am
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There's a thread on Dementors that sort of discusses this (i.e. where they come from). But DEs becoming Dementors when they die? Somehow, I don't think so.

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After all, they both share such a hatred to mankind...
Do they really? Or is their hatred toward half-bloods and Muggles? That's not ALL mankind, ya know.


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Old November 8th, 2003, 4:18 am
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Hm........... I guess that could be true.


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Old November 8th, 2003, 6:45 am
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Dementors have existed well before Voldemort and his supporters.

Besides, Dementors are described as creatures; I have my doubts as to whether they were ever anything resembling human.


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Old November 8th, 2003, 3:55 pm
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Notice how the dementors sort of appeared out of thin air in the beginning of OotP, and then, when Harry used the Patronus, they kind of disappeared into thin air? Maybe dementors aren't separable entities, but just can form and dis-form, so to speak, at will?


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Old November 8th, 2003, 4:04 pm
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He'sdead-Didn't it say that the dementors flew/floated away.......?


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Old November 8th, 2003, 4:15 pm
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I think Dementors must be able to talk, judging by the Fudge comment and the fact that Fudge and Dumbledore seem to know what they think or want, as though they've communicated with them in some way.

But then they don't seem very chatty. They just seem like silent, drifting monsters. And if they lack any human conscience or a soul, even, why would they be given a voice to speak? Unless they only speak when they really have to.

Perhaps they do talk telepathically. Or perhaps they just convey feelings in a flash of imagery, like the reverse of Leglimency - putting a thought into your head, but a visual one rather than in words.


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Old November 8th, 2003, 4:24 pm
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Ok, guys, this has happened to me before... if there is a thread like this, feel free to delete mine....

okay... my friends harryfantotheend and DarkMark90 and i came up with this strange theory that when Death Eaters die, they become Dementors. After all, they both share such a hatred to mankind...
I have the idea that dementors have some sotra "intelligence," hence a soul or certain individual personality. I don't think all of them are or think like one. Then, I wonder, liek Helhorn posted in her first post, how they are "created". They cannot simply exist. They have to have an origin, and coming from humans can be credible. Furthermore, can they be destroyed? Forever?
So the only think that I can came up talking about the Death Eaters is that once they die, their evil soul goes somewhere where they can be sorted, or maybe for their own will, to become a Dementor. So dementor could be the product of an evil soul with the mission of capturing good souls or destroying people with good souls or happiness. DE have an evil soul if they don't change their minds like Snape did. So, I believe they can't be destroyed (They are death already) but they can be sent back to whatever you may call it (hell? ) forever as they failed in earth they will not return as a Dementors....hmm


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Old November 9th, 2003, 2:17 am
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He'sdead-Didn't it say that the dementors flew/floated away.......?
Yes. I don't have the quote with me, but that sounds like what it was. And think about it. When dementors leave somewhere, they stay on the ground - notice in PoA how the demetors walked/glided back to their posts. Either way - they cannot fly, normally. That is why when they go into the air in OotP, they may just be floating away into nothingness - normally they cannot float away and stay dementors.

I'm not sure if this is how dementors work, I'm just throwing it out there. Whatever the case, demetors do not have a normal life cycle. They almost certainly do not have parents. Maybe they can form and "un-form" and re-form, but they do not live and die like humans do.


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Old November 9th, 2003, 3:21 am
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I think dementors are more like a force of sheer negativity; the demons of the Wizarding world. i don't eventhink those are their bodies; I think that's the guise they take on when they have to do things on the earthy plane, kinda like the Nazgul.


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Old November 15th, 2003, 11:54 pm
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was just browsing on line and I came across a curious theory.....Liselle



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In rereading book three, I noticed several instances where the Dementors specifically target Harry. They first try to get at him on the train to Hogwarts; then they attack during the quidditch match. Though Lupin indicates they were drawn by their ever-growing hunger for the crowd, the book clearly states that Harry saw "At least a hundred dementors, their hidden faces pointing up at him," (Prisoner of Azkaban pg 178). Finally, they attempt to administer the dementor's kiss on Harry near the end of the book; the professors are alarmed, of course, but seem to think that the dementors were simply out of control. I think that the dementors are targeting Harry for a purpose, and we'll see why in one of the next books.



* aside we saw this in ootp obviously, here comes the interesting bit though!*

Perhaps they are more drawn to him because he has such dark memories, and consequently is a very satisfying prey. Or perhaps the dementors mistakenly think that Harry is actually Voldemort since Harry does seem to have acquired some of Voldemort's attributes, such as his ability to speak Parseltongue. Wouldn't it be interesting if Voldemort was finally destroyed by a dementor because of his connection with Harry? Voldemort mentions numerous precautions he took to avert his own death; perhaps the dementor's kiss is the only thing capable of destroying Voldemort.


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Old November 16th, 2003, 12:03 am
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Actually they weren't drawn to him. At the quidditch match they came because there wa such a large crowd filled with excitment for them to feed on. On the trai they were checking for sirius. They just effected him more then others.


 
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