Smallville

[Kashman]

I personal think that they are goingto the end of the road with Smallville and think that Series 8 will be the last. I know they can change Superman's history to suit their purpose but trying to keep it close to the 'real' one would mean him leaving very soon to begin the journey inot becoming Superman.

I would love however in series 8 if they could have Clark meet the young Bruce Wayne, that would be great!

[Ginny1976]

Season 8 will be the last and they have tried to have Bruce Wayne's character on the show, but it's never gone through.
I'm sure that next season, they'll tie everything up and Clark will finally be able to do his training to become Superman.
I was just thinking thought that it would be fun at as the last episode to have Clark go into the fortress and then have the next scene years later to see him going to the Daily Planet wearing glasses to find a job and see Lois. And then have him see some catastrophe and run off opening his shirt and showing the Superman symbol as he goes. That would be a nice ending!

[jordmundt6]

Ginny--I'm glad you approve of my restraint. I appreciate that Jimmy knows a good thing when he has it and when he sees it--that he's trying to be mature, and that he really values all aspects of Chloe. However, even just a brief glimpse at Pete Ross becoming the old Pete Ross (that last scene) showed just how far short Jimmy falls as a significant other for Chloe. I really think they should pursue a relationship between him and Kara--she's more his speed, and he's hers.

I guess I can see your Jimmy/Catherine Morland comparison, but I was left with the impression that Catherine, armed with her self-knowledge would mature into a young woman and wife who could, over time, close the mental gap between herself and Henry. Jimmy--this Jimmy, his heart's in the right place, but I feel we're seeing his absolute best, right at this moment. The match just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I see it as rather like Rory Gilmore and Logan Huntzberger on Gilmore Girls; or, maybe, Jason Stiles and Lorelai Gilmore on the same show.

[Black_XY390]

Back to Lionel we never got to see what happened to him when Brainiac led Clark to the Kryptonian geologist, so he is probably still pretending to be Lionel. I am confused about that though. Since they didnt show where Lionel was the only possible conclusion is that he is dead.

[jordmundt6]

I don't think that's the ONLY possible conclusion--since I like to think that Lionel is the character with the most depth and complexity on this show--but that's the easiest and most logical explanation (which means it's about 50-50 whether the writers will use it). Frankly, I hope they don't, because if this show is going to survive with less Lex next season, they need Lionel there as a strong presence.

[Fawkesfan1]

Originally Posted by jordmundt6

I don't think that's the ONLY possible conclusion--since I like to think that Lionel is the character with the most depth and complexity on this show--but that's the easiest and most logical explanation (which means it's about 50-50 whether the writers will use it). Frankly, I hope they don't, because if this show is going to survive with less Lex next season, they need Lionel there as a strong presence.

I agree -- Lionel is a strong presence, and if they kill off his character, the show itself would not do that well whatsoever. Both him and Lex are partially what provide atmosphere to the show itself and if they get rid of him, the show would be lacking, since Lex (like you said) wouldn't be on as much next season.

[Ginny1976]

But John Glover is contracted through next season, which means that he will be there. I guess it's all going to depend on what happens tonight...if they allude to Braniac at all, that is. If they don't then maybe it really is Lionel.

[jordmundt6]

Brainiac will come into play for the end of the season, but I don't think he will act as a replacement for Lionel.

[Ginny1976]

Yeah, I know that Braniac is certainly not finished. It's just the missing pieces between him an Lionel that's confusing. They either left it out on purpose or not. And with this show, you just never know. Sometimes they're great about remembering things and other times not, which I'm sure we can all think of quite a few!!

[jordmundt6]

Indeed--they made a conscious effort to remember old continuity for references to seasons when Pete was a major factor in the episode where Pete took on the Mr. Fantasitic role thanks to the gum.

[Ginny1976]

So finally some good answers. I'm guessing that since Lex didn't know anything about Veritas that Oliver doesn't either. It's a good story. I want to believe that Lionel didn't kill the other members, but he is Lionel and this is Smallville,s o of course it's probable.
And now someone else knows Clark's secret. And now I'm thinking there's just too many people who know and people are going to get killed.
I'm wondering what Kara's excuse is going to be with Lex. He's not going to let her off easy.
Although, to me, the best part of the episode was the sound effect they put in right before Clark said no the Lionel at the end about Lionel being a changed man.

Okay, so I wrote that forgetting that I didn't watch the last few minutes, which I now have and see that the lovely Miss Swann has had an early demise ordered by our nefarious Lex. All to get the locket that contains a key to...what? We'll have to tune in next time to find out. Now what would be cool is if there is something from all the members that needs to be collected.

[Black_XY390]

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

So finally some good answers. I'm guessing that since Lex didn't know anything about Veritas that Oliver doesn't either. It's a good story. I want to believe that Lionel didn't kill the other members, but he is Lionel and this is Smallville,s o of course it's probable.

I wish they had thought of this plot sooner. If they had they could have involves the Tiegs[sp?] more. Before they went psycho over the stones.

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

And now someone else knows Clark's secret. And now I'm thinking there's just too many people who know and people are going to get killed.
I'm wondering what Kara's excuse is going to be with Lex. He's not going to let her off easy.

No one else knows his secret anymore...there was a scene toward the end that killed that possibility. I had been excited that Clark had another ally.

Originally Posted by Ginny1976

Although, to me, the best part of the episode was the sound effect they put in right before Clark said no the Lionel at the end about Lionel being a changed man.

I noticed that too! It was cool!


My favorite part was actually the way Chloe and Lana worked together. Pooling their skills together to help save Clark.

[jordmundt6]

Except--what that actually was was Lana providing information and Chloe providing the skill.

This was an excellent episode--their best, probably in two years. I think they thought of this plot as retcon--retroactive continuity adjustment--as an excuse for the Teagues and an explanation for Dr. Swann's knowledge and interest (other than it just being an excuse for an awesome guest star).

My favorite part of the ep, and my favorite part of this season by far was Chloe pleading the case to Jor-El. I almost broke out in Hallelujahs when I heard her.

The other part of this episode that makes it interesting is the reactions of the two Luthors. Lionel appears to have been given a Snape-like route, and I'm pleased because I know Glover is up to the challenge. Also, Lex has clearly taken that last step towards supervillainy--he was already investigating Veritas, and he had Patricia Swann executed to protect his own secrets and to obtain the key (whatever that key's for).

[Fawkesfan1]

Nice, glad to hear that a good episode finally aired! Hopefully they'll show it in reruns soon enough, I'd like to catch it .

[jordmundt6]

Be warned--If they do what I think they're going to do with this finale run--that is, kill off Chloe or Lionel or BOTH, then there won't be anything worth watching to save for season 8 which is already guaranteed.

[GodricHollow]

Spoiler: show

Well someone's going into a coma and someone's being offed (or so I heard, admittedly off of Wikipedia), so here's hoping one of them's Lana.

[jordmundt6]

No chance--If Lana leaves (which is to say, if they can't get ink with Kreuk) it'll be a voluntary exit to Gotham City or Paris or some such nonsense.

[GodricHollow]

Spoiler: show

Well, Kruek is the title role in the next Street Fighter film (due out 2009), so chances are she's off soon to shoot that. And I heard that one of them was a character Clark cared about (Lara, Lana and Chole are the only ones that come to mind - why kill off Lara so soon? Chole's been on the cards since the third season but hopefully her being written into the DC Comic continuity saves her from the axe (though she is now being written in as a girl on a internship (whatever that is), not the "other girl across the newsroom"), thus, Lana is the logical conclusion.

EDIT - OK, Chloe's back on the cards. Turns out she's nmot being written in. Darn. But the whole section's confusing to me, see if you can make sense of it:

At one time, it was planned for Chloe to become a character in the DC Comics universe. According to Superman editor Matt Idelson the DC comics version of Chloe would be similar but at the same time different from the character on Smallville. “‘Our’ Chloe is clearly inspired by the Smallville character, right down to wanting to be a journalist, and being roughly the same age as the Smallville character. And she’s still Lois’ cousin. Beyond that, though, since she’s obviously a different age than Clark and Lois, she’s got to be her own, unique character," Idelaon says.

According to writer Kurt Busiek, “The problem we'd have faced if we brought her in with the same background as the TV show is that she'd fill two basic roles -- the Girl from Back Home and the Reporter -- and those roles are both pretty solidly filled in the adult Superman cast, by Lana and Lois. So she's got to have a different spin, one that lets her occupy a different role from either of them. She's the younger sister of someone Clark went to school with, not a classmate of Clark's herself. As a result, she's the new intern at the Daily Planet, fresh out of journalism school and itching to make a name for herself. That'll make her clearly different from Lois and Lana, and at the same time more familiar to watchers of the show.” Busiek has also pointed out that this "Chloe" will not know Clark's secret, nor will she have super powers.[13]

Although it was announced that Chloe would make her comic debut, Dan Didio has confirmed that this will not be the case. “Chloe is an exciting character on the television show, and we had hoped to work her into DC continuity, but unfortunately, the stars did not align properly, and even though we had announced it, she will not be appearing in any of the issues of Superman or Action Comics.”[14]

[jordmundt6]

I think that's wishful thinking on your part--If you'll look back at the threads you'll notice quite a lot of grumbling recently about the writers putting a flashing neon sign over Chloe's head reading "Will Sacrifice Self to Save Clark Kent." Basically, like what she did at the end of last season for Lois, only with a permanent death as a result.

As to Chloe's presence in the comics--she's basically an ultra-version of Lois Lana with blond hair. They can't have someone legit and idealistic elbowing into Lois' space, and she's not selfish or needy enough to be a take-off of Lana. So, basically, they tried to create a new niche for her--a young, blond spitfire from Smallville, smart and hungry for fame as a reporter who would try to carve out a ncihe for herself at the Daily Planet--except, if she's significantly younger than Clark, you basically have a blond with Chloe's name and nothing else that ties her to the popular show character that they wanted to import into the comics. Basically, the comic writers tripped over Chloe's existence as sort of a hybrid uber-Lois Lane and said so. Let's all laugh up our sleeve at Al & Miles while we grind our teeth.

[GodricHollow]

Spoiler: show

Oh. That's the thing with her - too much ruddy empathy (that's how the creators explain it, taking other people's pain and making it her own). But what could kill her, she's died twice. And unlike another American blonde (Buffy), she wasn't revived by a known method (CPR) or a mystical ritual thingy.