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Old November 21st, 2005, 2:41 am
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I am not sure if Ollivander did get away. I hope that he did. I think that either way, that is the reason that Wormtail has been placed to assist Snape. They are either looking for Ollivander or they are keeping him at Spinner's End until he has completed the job. No way would Voldemort use any old wand to kill Harry. We already know that Voldemort likes "special" he would want the best wand possible. He would not want one made by just anyone either. He is not going to just kill Harry. He wants to humiliate and destroy him before he kills him. Even in the graveyard, he had no plans of just killing him. He wanted to play first. After all that Harry has messed up for him, he wants him to suffer.

As for Fortescue, I have no idea why he was taken. Maybe because he was the only one that they could get to that did know Harry well enough to get any information from. It could be his knowledge of history as well. Maybe he knows something about ancient magic, that Voldemort wants to know more about.


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Old November 21st, 2005, 4:20 am
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It could be possible the good side hid them. The order could of made them disapear to protect them from the DEs and LV. Not everyone in the order knows everything cause we know that LV would have spies in the order and the order has spies in the DEs. So it could be possible Dumbledore hid them before the Des got to them to keep them for being forced to join the DEs. I just have to believe some of the disapearances were planned by the Order.


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The OP had some really really good points. I agree they both could have been useful. I think Ollivander could help Voldemort explain what happened to their wands when they connected. Voldemort was certainly not expecting that to happen and Ollivander could tell him that he will not be able to duel harry, due to their wand cores...this means Voldemort would have to kill Harry by some other means.

Fortescue is a little more hard to pin down. How would Voldemort know that he was good with history? Maybe there's something else about Fortescue we don't know yet. It's a good guess with the idea that he might know about the four founders...but knowing facts about trinkets from the four founders? That's a bit dodgy. Maybe he holds another sort of value we're just unaware of.


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Old November 21st, 2005, 5:39 am
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While I can't help but see both men as good, I acknowledge the very real possibility that one, or both, isn't/aren't.

Ollivander, I feel, took off. I think, since he remembers every wand he has ever sold, he knows Harry's and Voldemort's wands can't duel. He knows Voldemort might come for him in hopes of ridding himself of that problem and he doesn't want to find Voldemort browsing through his store one day.

As for Fortescue, I've acquired this terrible habit of thinking of him as "Master" from Witch Hunter Robin. I don't know why, really, but I can't erase that image... I suppose it may be because Master was always kind to Robin and he helped Amon on at least one occasion. He also runs a restaurant so...

Either way, my thinking of him in such a way forces me to think of him as a good guy. However, as soon as I push that out of my mind, I think, "Well, how likely is it that both men disappeared and both are good? Especially since, one, that would be rather bland and, two, what could he have had to offer?"

Now, if he is a Death Eater, that better explains his disappearance. He doesn't seem to have anything special Voldemort might come for let alone something he felt he had to hide by abandoning everything.

Wouldn't it be ironic if a Death Eater was right there all along? That would crush the stereotype people have of Slytherins and Death Eaters.

For those of you who don't know who Master is, here are a few pictures. This is the guy I can't help but envision when thinking of Fortescue.

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Master and Amon
Master and Robin
Master helps Amon with a hunt
Master and Robin again

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Fortescue is a little more hard to pin down. How would Voldemort know that he was good with history? Maybe there's something else about Fortescue we don't know yet. It's a good guess with the idea that he might know about the four founders...but knowing facts about trinkets from the four founders? That's a bit dodgy. Maybe he holds another sort of value we're just unaware of.
How much have we seen of him even? I know we've probably seen even less of Ollivander but Fortescue seems to be just a regular guy, the wizard's version of the ice cream man. That's probably why he's harder to pin down, he didn't play a big part whereas, for a minor character, Ollivander had a pretty big part to play. Know what I mean?


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Old November 21st, 2005, 7:03 am
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I believe Ollivander was of use to Voldemort because of the his wand. Maybe he wants him to make him another (that's just a strong) but doesn't have the same core as Harry's, making it so they can duel.


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Old December 18th, 2005, 8:26 pm
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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

I just reread HPB and i noticed something interesting, sorry if this has already been brought up...Neville was talking to Harry Ron and Hermione about how his grandmother was proud of him for doing all that stuff in the Department of Mysteries...long story short...Neville's gran bought him a new wand, and Neville pointed out that Ollivander disappeared the next day and that his new wand was probably the last one he sold...Coincidence? or not? tell me what you think


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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

coincidence....but I am a simple person and I rarely think deeply so I may be wrong


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Old December 18th, 2005, 8:38 pm
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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

I think that Ollivander has his obvious uses, which is why he was taken.

I think Fortescue seems like the kind of neighbor that would see shady characters hanging around his buddies shop, so he went to investigate, and poked his nose in Voldies business, which means that he got it chopped off.


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Old December 18th, 2005, 8:40 pm
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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

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I think Fortescue seems like the kind of neighbor that would see shady characters hanging around his buddies shop, so he went to investigate, and poked his nose in Voldies business, which means that he got it chopped off.
I don't really understand why Death Eaters would be organizing in the middle of Diagon Alley, but then again if his shop is near Ollivanders its a possibility, and maybe they were coming out of Knockturn Alley...by the way, does anyone know just where in Diagon Alley the entrance way to Knockturn Alley is?


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Old December 18th, 2005, 10:01 pm
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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

Well, I don't know why Voldemort would want Ollivander, sure he makes wands but, Voldemort is perfectly capable of using the wand he has and even though Harry and his wands connect Voldemort wont want to get rid of it. Did anyone ever wonder if Voldemort's wand is a Horcrux? Maybe thats why he looked terrified when Harry's beam almost made contact with it in The Goblet of Fire. I mean, even if Harry disarmed him he was still surrounded by a good amount of Death Eaters. I just thought of this while writing this post so, I really have no other evidence to support this idea. And as for Voldemort wanting Fortescue. Maybe when Tom Riddle went to Diagon Alley all those years ago he grew fond of Florean Fortescue's ice cream sundaes and has been subjecting Florean to the Cruciatus Curse if he does not make them for him Even if Fortescue knows a fair amount about History of Magic Voldemort could have ghostnapped Professor Binns or some other History of Magic buff. Ollivander and Fortescue seem like an unlikely pair in aiding Voldemort to me. I mean, And now fighting for the Dark Side, A wand maker and A sundae specialist! Voldemort can sure pick some intimidating and dangerous people if you ask me.



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Old December 18th, 2005, 10:03 pm
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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

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One of Fortescues ancestors was headmaster at Hogwarts. ** talks to his portrait in OotP as "Fortescue, could you please (do this and that)... " (sorry, I cannot recall in which chapter it was).
I think Florean Fortescue, who has a lot of knowledge, was dragged of by Death Eaters, either because he knows something Voldmoert needs or he knows something that could harm Voldemort (about his Horcruxes???).
Where are the quotes for this one and the one about Fortescue being in Ravenclaw?

I think that Ollivander would have been a target for Voldemort because he is an expert in his field, he knows everything about his trade, and the post earlier about him being a mad scientist made me think that maybe Ollivander could be used to make the ULTIMATE WEAPON, something much more powerful than a regular wand, and we all know how much Voldemort hates having anything in common with anyone else, to be special!

Maybe Ollivander took off in the middle of the night and is in hidding with Fortescue (if him being a headmaster's decendent and being linked to Ravenclaw is correct, we know that Voldemort has not got hold of any of Godric's relics, so could Fortesue have sonething hidden?) and were maybe helped into hidding by the Order (like the Potter's were) and a current safe and sound.

Or

Ollivander has gone over to the Dark Side (by his own will or not) and is now currently in the middle of making the most devastating weapons to help along Voldemorts love of death and destruction and Fortescue is dead or being tortured into handing over a relic.

Or

One got away Safe with the Order, and the other is with the Dark Side.

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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

Is Ollivander a death eater?


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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

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Harry says in Book 3, that Fortescue helped him with his History of Magic homeworks.
So, that means, Fortescue could know a lot about History, for example about the founders of Hogwarts.
Fortescue could have helped Harry finding the Horcruxes, and that's why he got kidnapped.
i really like your idea about fortescue, he could be helpful finding the horcruxes

for what happened to ollivander, my favorite theory is in the the fox that bellatrix black killed thread (look for my post in that thread)


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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

Umm the whole thing about using the portrait I think is bogus because frankly I doubt the occupent would even bother telling Voldemort the truth or even return to the other portrait. Also I can see that Ollivander dissapeared out of his own free will just as Slughorn dropped off the face of the earth for a year


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Yeah, I was thinking about the Priori Incantatem-Thing.
Everybody says, that Voldemort wants a wand without a phoenixfeather, but as I said before, according to Ollivander, there's only ONE wand, that perfectly fits to you.
I can't imagine that Voldemort would change wands at this point. If Ollivander told young Tom Riddle what was in the core of the wand all those years ago I see him liking the idea that its Fawkes' feather- the Dark Lord does enjoy his symbols.
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It could be possible the good side hide them. The order could of made them disapear to protect them from the DEs and Voldemort.
This does make sense. Especially with Dumbledore's explanation at the end of HBP about how the Order has hidden people before. We know why they would hide Ollivander by why Fortescue.


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Am I wrong, or was Ollivander's shop just closed but Fortescue's looked as if there had been a struggle? (Haven't got my HBP with me). I came away with the impression that Ollivander had gone into hiding, but Florean had been taken.

I can't see why Ollivander would have needed to run away though unless he knew something about Voldemort or was afraid of what Voldemort might ask him to do. I appreciate the point that V might want a new wand, but Ollivander has a shop-full. Why not go for one of those? It doesn't need to be gold-plated, just not have a phoenix feather in it.

I also noticed that he left after selling Neville his wand. It is probably just co-incidence but it makes you wonder......

Fortescue is a real mystery. What on earth was there about him that would make V and the Death Eaters want him out of the way? (Apart from wanting the ice cream) He wasn't a member of the Order of the Phoenix was he? He must have known something that could be dangerous to V, I'd suppose. In which case I hope Harry finds him.


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Re: Ollivander and Fortescue - Their use for Voldemort

Since the makeup of wands tells what they specialize in, maybe Voldemort wants to know what kind of wands other people have - or if the prior incantatem might be a problem between an order member and one of his death eaters.


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I have a theory about the kidnapping of florean fortescue. One of the paintings in Dumbledore's office is called fortescue. Whether it's his first name or surname, i don't know, but it's possible that the two are both related. If that is true and florean fortescue's grandfather (or someone along that line) was once a hogwarts headmaster, then maybe Voldemort thinks florean fortescue might have some valuable information about the school, or about the whereabouts of a relic of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw.


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Ollivander makes the best wands. If voldemort took him for that, it would be excellent.
Fortescue makes good ice cream. voldmort NEEDS ice cream. (voldemort never needs anything. He thinks he does)


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*Couldn't Voldemort make Ollivander make him a new wand..he could use it just to kill Harry & go back to his own wand? I mean it would probably be hard to do because it's not his wand, but Voldemort's powerful enough, he could do it.
*And Voldemort needs Fortescue because..........because he.......uhhhh......likes ice cream. I don't know....maybe they'res more to Fortescue then we know:
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I have a theory about the kidnapping of florean fortescue. One of the paintings in Dumbledore's office is called fortescue. Whether it's his first name or surname, i don't know, but it's possible that the two are both related. If that is true and florean fortescue's grandfather (or someone along that line) was once a hogwarts headmaster, then maybe Voldemort thinks florean fortescue might have some valuable information about the school, or about the whereabouts of a relic of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw.
-That might have something to do with it....


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