Spinner's End #14 - Demise of the Dark Lord

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Discussion for Spinner's End #14 - Demise of the Dark Lord by Lady Lupin.

[Chrysanthemum]

Well, I thought that this was a really brilliant editorial. I have always thought that the patronus charm would play some part in voldemort's demise...(I even wrote a fanfiction with that in it...)

I had a thought though, that maybe a patronus could directly affect Voldemort, because he does have so little humanity left. I mean, it's always seemed like to me that Voldemort was making himself into a Dementor... not on purpose, but... he's like an uber dementor.... scary...

[cdmHPfan]

Lady Lupin, I always enjoy your thought provoking editorials. But this one... this is the icing on the cake. Absolutely superb! I have been thinking for the last 2 books how LOVE could possibly be used as a weapon. I couldn't wrap my mind around the incongruency of love and weapon. There is no way in my mind to combine the two. I never even thought of love, used as protection, as a weapon.

As usual you have come up with a stunning new idea that will be talked about in the chats and forums for weeks to come. I'm sure JKR's comment on the ideas she has seen in the fan sites has to refer to you.

[ironbrick52]

hey i just had a thought. If harry fears dementors more than Voldermort than does that mean he would rather face Voldermort than a dementor?????

[MacGyverMagic]

"Maybe it's Harry's fate to be Dumbledore to the next Harry."
Well said. From when I first started thinking up theories, I've been thinking history will repeat itself somehow and that evil will never be fully defeated.
Remember the relief when Grindelwald was gone and the subsequent horror when Voldemort emerged.

IIRC, Tom Riddle left Hogwarts at about the time Grindelwald was defeated. Perhaps there's a connection? It would certainly explain why he fears Dumbledore so much. He knows he did it once... And then there's the fact he had a scar too

[EmilyRadcliffe]

I would first like to congratulate you on this wonderful editorial,Well written (as always!). I have always thought dementors would play a part in the final story somewhere, due to their continued presence within the books. Your editorial just made it seem so plausable that they could turn up in the way that you described. Again, well done!

[Bowtruckle]

Lady Lupin - you're my hero! Love your work. I get so excited when I see your name next to 'Today's updates' and again this one did not let me down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[MadamRosmerta]

Lady Lupin, you've done it again! Do you think that you could be channelling Jo??

[codfish]

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! I had been fiddling with the idea of a patronus charm coming into play during the final battle ... Though until I read your editorial I'd dubbed it a "lost cause."

WELL DONE! You've got such eloquence when it comes to these theories ... I just love it. And I'm with Madam Rosmerta on this one, are you sure you're not channeling Jo?

[Kgaladriel]

Hello Lady Lupin,

this editorial conjured up a great vision not unlike a special, blazing Phoenix Patronus that would protect Harry and all the ones we learned to love in the series. In CoS, Prof. Lockhart lost all his memories and what seems to be a huge part of his sense of self; we met him again in OOTP and we know what has become of him. Such a fate is certainly worse than death...

In many ways, I think Lockhart resembles Voldemort. Steeling peoples memories and their lives. Lockhart's punishment in CoS was brilliant, he tasted his own "medecine". Would Voldemort be punished in a similar way? If he loses his memories and sense of self, he will be far worse than dead. To make the punishment more hellish, he might keep a glimpse of consciousness, just enough to realize how trapped he ended up to be, for like eternity...

Hopefully, when he is vanquished all our beloved characters will be still alive and happy. Harry certainly deserves a happy life with his new family and Ginny.

Great job!

Karima

[Donal_Graeme]

Personally, I think nothing would hurt Voldemort more than for him to live, but lose all of his powers. While he seeks to evade death forever, living life as a Muggle would terrify him. In his own words, he knew "he was special." To lose his powers, to stop being a Wizard, would remove that special nature from him, and perhaps be such a shock that would prefer death over living life as a Muggle.

My one problem with the Dementors finishing Voldemort off is that he has lost so much of his humanity that he wouldn't be seen as worthwhile prey by them. In many ways he has come to resemble them, what value would be sucking a small fragment of a soul from him?

[thestralseer]

Once again, a great thought provoking editorial. Personally, I believe we've just been treated to a early glimpse of the true final chapters of book 7. It just all seems so plausible. Wonderful!

[WhiteBee]

I very much enjoy your work Lady Lupin, and I was very happy to see that they gave you a section to yourself.

I was thinking about your theory and something came to me that I don't think you considered. It has been said that Voldy does not beleive light magic is worth anything and that he underestimates it. Wouldn't that mean that he would either refuse to congure a patronus, or forget how to do so, since it is such an "unimportant" spell. He did emerse himself in the dark arts once he left school, so maybe he wiped it from him memory in order to replace it with something he felt would be more powerful, something dark.


Just a thought....

Your editrorial was excellent though, great connection between love and the partonus charm, how the heck did this not scream out at us when we were all thinking of how Harry would love Voldemort to death.

BRAVO!

[nobi_fawkes]

I LOVE this editorial. I love Lady Lupin as well. I've seen threads abt how wud i FEEL wn Voldemort is Dead, but never "HOW WILL HE DIE?" I didn't think of the Patronus Charm, but abt the veil. I think it wud be more fitting (and dramatically ironic) that he got his immortality but lived with his soul sucked out. I agree with WhiteBee, regarding the Patronus Charm:

how the heck did this not scream out at us when we were all thinking of how Harry would love Voldemort to death

I couldnt think how love cud be a tangible thing, let alone a weapon.
I also agree with Donal Graeme:

My one problem with the Dementors finishing Voldemort off is that he has lost so much of his humanity that he wouldn't be seen as worthwhile prey by them. In many ways he has come to resemble them, what value would be sucking a small fragment of a soul from him?

Unless Harry got thm to suck out the soul from the horcruxes, it won't really be an appetising meal!! But I guess if they're hungry, they'll eat anything, even if it's just a small amount.

[gothic_prince]

The idea of a Dementor sucking out the remaining soul fragment within Voldemort, leaving his body to live forever because of an undestroyed Horcrux was both creative and inspired, LadyLupin. This was an excellent and thought provoking editorial!

Towards the end of the editorial you discuss the potential of someone uniting Voldemort's soulless body with an undestroyed Horcrux, and how this potential would symbolize the threat of evil returning for Harry. I really love this idea but if JKR wants a more definitive end for Voldemort, then perhaps you could extend this line of thinking so that Harry finds and destroys any remaining Horcruxes after Voldemort has suffered the Dementor's kiss.

[XxXCissyXxX]

I like that idea about Harry being helped to realise that revenge is not the reason that must be driving him. It seems like such a 'harry-like' lesson to have to learn and i think it would be really good to have Snape play a part in the process. I also don't believe, and am glad that Harry cannot/will not use AV, it really does make sense as i think you proved admirably in this ed. As Gandhi said "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind"

[srose2885]

I loved this piece! I've believed for a long time that Harry will not be willing or able to defeat V. with dark magic but rather, as you put it 'light' magic. I just wasn't able to make the connection, as others have said, as to 'how' light/love could defeat V. This is brilliant. I agree that you may have just given us a glimpse of bood 7. Now... go write something else. I'd love to read more. Thanks!

[LadyLupin]

Hello All,

Glad to see the article stirring ideas around. Something came to me via my email from a fellow sleuth that I wanted to share...

Remember Harry's DADA essay for Snape? They disagreed abou the best way to fight Dementors? I was curious about that, because we have only been told about the Patronus and Jo doesn't tell us what Snape favors. Kevin suggests that Snape may use Occlumency. Remember, Sirius tells us that he slipped past the Dementors because he could transform to his animagus dog and they had a harder time sensing his "less human" emotions. Could Voldemort employ Occlumency to fight the Dementors? If so, how would that effect my suggested scenario? Would there be too many? Would his worst memories or fears overcome him as Harry's used to? If Voldemort's worst fear is death, and I think it clearly is, could his fear prevent him from summoning his best defense?

Mind you, I think that my ideas may have something to do with the conclusion, but I also think we are not finished with the Veil. There are many places and magical objects, creatures and people who could figure into the story. It's always a question of when and how.

Happy sleuthing,

Lady Lupin

[wandaXmaximof]

As with all the editorials you write, I loved every word of this. Like many other people on here, I too have thought about what role the Dementors will play in the last book, and if they could be used to finish Voldemort off. Your editorial seemed to cover everything, from how Harry would ward off the dementors and subsequently send them Voldemort's way. To what shape Harry's Patronus might take. To Dumbledore saying there are worst things than death. To how love would also factor into Voldemort's demise.

Originally Posted by LadyLupin, from the editorial

Voldemort would have his wish - he would be "immortal." But what a heinous immortality to contemplate! Perhaps this is the fate of Voldemort. He will live forever, as he always wished, but with no awareness of himself, no power, no friends, and no hope - the epitome of Hell.

This would be so ironic and brillient, I really hope it happens. I think it would be a very fitting end for Voldemort.
Another though occured to me too, if what you said in your editorial happened, and Harry conjured a Pheonix Patronus, it would emphasise what Dumbledore said: "I'll only be gone when no one remains loyal to me." Again very fitting.
Well done on a fantastic editorial, it's something I really could se happening in the final book.

[lurk]

Wow Wow Wow!

I don't know if you've written an amazing fanfic or if you hit the nail on the head! You might have just exposed something VERY important. I got chills when you described the possible Patronae scene, particularly Dumbledore rising from the ashes in the form of Harry's patronus.

Question.....what happens to a soul-less body once a dementor kisses a person? It is still biologically alive, sooooo? Is there a special ward at St. Mungo's for these victims?