Remedial Potions And Snape As An Efficient Death Eater

[allegro]

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

Again a very cruel difference between what is "right" and wat is easy, but this time he burdens someone else it. I am convinced that Severus, no matter how horrified he must be at the mere thought of killing his friend and mentor, would eventually go through with it if Dumbledore convinces him of the "greater good"... This is by no means getting me of the fence -- I still am too horrified by the thought myself, but I can see JKR building something along these lines -- only way more subtle and making much more sense, of course...

What's saving Snape in my eyes a bit is what one of the Death Eaters said, that Dumbledore wouldn't be living for long anyway. He looked half-dead on the tower. I am not sure if what Harry thought- that Dumbledore weakened himself for nothing - was right.

Originally Posted by maebelle

I think Dumbledore and Snape (through Legillimancy) knew that Dumbledore was a 'dead man' from the potion anyway. The "Severus, please..." was not Dumbledore pleading for his life, it was Dumbledore pleading to a friend and co-Order member to do the right thing. Save Harry, Draco and himself (Snape). Do what is right, not what is easy. The look on Severus' face tells all. He was revolted and hated what he 'had' to do, for the greater good.

I am curious how Avada Kedavra behaves on a person whose one part (the hand) looks like dead, even if it's painful and a kind of 'alive'.

Originally Posted by aislin

Do you think that Snape was more able to see what was 'necessary' because he did not have attachment to Harry? I mean, he does not feel the same way about Harry as Dumbledore does.

I think both Snape and Dumbledore care about Harry, each of them in his own way. Snape is of course in denial

, OddmentTweak!

[HPSpec]

Originally Posted by aislin

did. He takes a big pause before telling Harry that he trusts Snape. It seems to me that Dumbledore was on the verge of revealing something but did not out of respect of his and Snape's agreement.

I follow your reasoning but have another angle. I'm thinking that if Snape asked Dumbledore to keep something secret then Dumbledore never would have even considered telling Harry. Another answer for that pause is nothing was holding Dumbledore back from giving the truth but for his fear of how Harry would respond. If the reason involves Lily, then Harry's hatred and mistrust of Snape might spill onto his mother and Dumbledore wouldn't want that. So I think Dumbledore's pause was 'can I convince Harry without damaging his image of his mother'? And I think the answer he came to was 'no'.

Originally Posted by hpfan101

In this way, I think that Snape has a better sense of what is "necessary."

I like this idea. I think Snape has, at times, been genuinely angry at Dumbledore for 'endangering' the greater goal for Harry. And I think Snape can use these moments to 'show' legilimens Voldemort his 'hatred' of Dumbledore and Harry - convincing Voldemort of his loyalties. Since Voldemort doesn't understand love he doesn't guess you can truly hate someone's actions at a particular moment but still love them as a person. As for Harry, Snape probably did hate Harry initially, but I think he has grown to respect him. I guess I cannot see Snape loving Harry - it takes real emotional strength to love someone that hates you. Somehow I don't think Snape has that strength.

As for Dumbledore's personal loss - I'm sure none of you are surprised when I say I think his most recent deeply felt loss was Lily. Although I think it is probable he had other losses in the war with Grindelwald.

[Morgan_Emerald]

Good point, HPSpec, about Love as a more powerful "motivator" than anger and disagreement. That's certainly something Voldemort won't understand. All he can see in his paranoid mind is pain and fear...

Originally Posted by allegro

I think both Snape and Dumbledore care about Harry, each of them in his own way. Snape is of course in denial

Slightly on a side note: something along these lines came up at another thread. One of the observations was that Severus never taunts Harry with what he picks up during Occlumency lessons. Not before and not after SWM -- of which Harry doesn't speak a word either... But in HBP Dumbledore seems to know a lot more about both Severus's and Harry's past.

It is really interesting that Severus reported all those things to Dumbledore... that is not the type of behaviour one would expect from a cold-hearted self-absorbed person who does not think much of emotions and "sad memories"! Severus does not consider emotions and memories nonsense, he considers them liabilities and he is quite right about that. One only has to look at Harry's erratic and rash behaviour during OotP to see that they really are dangerous. Until Severus' legilimensing nobody knew the cruelty and severity of Harry's background and I think that it sincerely worries him. Severus actually CARES. That's why he reports them to Dumbledore. He knows first hand what childhood trauma can do to a person if left unreckoned, "untreated" if you will (are we ready to add Therapist!Snape to our list of Good!Snape aliases yet ;-). Perhaps this is also part of the reason why Dumbledore suddenly understands the seriousness of Severus' own "wounds" -- because of the undeniable empathy Severus shows through conveying Harry's memories...

[CathyWeasley]

I agree Morgan Emerald - it was noted (on the Dev of Sev thread I beleive) that at the end if OotP Order members warn the Dursleys and at the start of HBP Dumbledore himself comes to collect Harry and give the Dursleys a piece of his mind for mistreating Harry. It would appear that it is on Snape's information regarding Harry's life at Privet Drive that these actions are deemed necessary.

[OddmentTweak]

Salutations!

Orininally posted by aislin
I think that Dumbledore and Snape had an agreement that Dumbledore would not tell anyone why he trusted Snape the way he did. He takes a big pause before telling Harry that he trusts Snape. It seems to me that Dumbledore was on the verge of revealing something but did not out of respect of his and Snape's agreement. However, this backfires because Harry makes the assumption that Snape told Dumbledore he was sorry about telling Voldemort about the prophecy and Harry equates that to what he saw in the Penseive.

Yes, I like your reading of this scene and I agree. But its just so frustrating, though. We want to know! Send Harry out of the room and just tell us, DD!

originally posted by HPSpec
Another answer for that pause is nothing was holding Dumbledore back from giving the truth but for his fear of how Harry would respond.

I can whole heartedly agree with this, too! You really get the feeling that DD is balancing how much he should tell someone against:
how much do they need to know
how will it effect them and others
how much can he trust them to keep it to themselves
how much can he spare Harry and protect his childhood and innocense

Originally posted by Morgan_Emerald
Until Severus' legilimensing nobody knew the cruelty and severity of Harry's background and I think that it sincerely worries him. Severus actually CARES. That's why he reports them to Dumbledore.

Ooooh, good one. I was getting ready to say I did not believe that Snape loved Harry, but this is worthy of some thought on my corner stool. Good work, here

CathyWeasly thanks for reposting that here, I missed it and it is worth thinking about. It does make sense, and I like it.

[staniw]

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

Until Severus' legilimensing nobody knew the cruelty and severity of Harry's background and I think that it sincerely worries him.

So dear old Mrs. Figg never had any communication with Dumbledore then?

[HPSpec]

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

He knows first hand what childhood trauma can do to a person if left unreckoned, "untreated" if you will (are we ready to add Therapist!Snape to our list of Good!Snape aliases yet ;-). Perhaps this is also part of the reason why Dumbledore suddenly understands the seriousness of Severus' own "wounds" -- because of the undeniable empathy Severus shows through conveying Harry's memories...

Ooh that's good!

Originally Posted by staniw

So dear old Mrs. Figg never had any communication with Dumbledore then?

I think that Morgan_Emerald's point was that Snape saw into Harry's mind (Mrs Figg cannot) and saw what Harry was 'retaining' (legilimens doesn't get to pick and chose - it only sees what is offered, so what is offered is telling in of itself). In addition he had the ability to empathize. I think it is a powerful point.

OddmentTweak, very nice rundown on Dumbledore's thoughts! ! Nearly all words have consequences, not just prophecies!

[Morgan_Emerald]

staniw: HPSpec interpreted my words correctly (thanks ;-) I do blelive Dumbledore had some inkling that not all was daisies and buttercups for Harry, but I do not think he was completely aware of the true extent and impact -- much like he was not aware of the true extent and impact of Severus' suffering until after he must have received an explanation concerning the SWM pensieve incident.

[allegro]

Originally Posted by HPSpec

As for Harry, Snape probably did hate Harry initially, but I think he has grown to respect him.

I agree; it grew and grew, maybe since the end of GoF when Harry came back, wounded, from the encounter with Voldemort Snape was scared of. Harry managed to escape: Snape must have seen and admire that even if he wouldn't have admitted it in front of himself. Then the Occlumency lessons and Snape sees that Harry was humiliated in a similiar way that he was. It's significant that knowing Harry's lack of talent in Occlumency, Snape saw Cho Chang in Harry's memories but he didn't comment on this: he chose to comment on the dog and he wasn't cruel to Harry. Snape was able to admit when Harry made an improvement and was angry with him when he saw that Harry didn't practise. Severus just loves to see James in Harry and to give Harry James's traits when he accuses Potter that he likes feeling important (visions with Voldemort).

I guess that when Harry asks Snape for help in OotP after Harry had seen SWM - it's a kind of like Harry started 'talking' to Snape first, Snape sees he's useful and even if Harry doesn't trust him completely, he still can trust Snape to the degree of letting him know about the vision he had. Harry goes to save Sirius he loves just like Snape would save Lily, I guess.

Harry is almost posessed by Voldemort, his friends are with him, they help him. Snape would have to be blind not to appreciate that.

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

Perhaps this is also part of the reason why Dumbledore suddenly understands the seriousness of Severus' own "wounds" -- because of the undeniable empathy Severus shows through conveying Harry's memories...

Good point!

[CathyWeasley]

I'm still mulling over Snape's feelings towards Harry. Right from the start he must have known when Harry was coming to the school and that he'd have to teach him. I can't begin to imagine how he must have felt anticipating that ( oh alright then I can!) apprehensive, excited, distressed, fearful, frustrated - oh I could go on all day! I don't think he really started to hate Harry until PoA when Snape was so forcibly reminded of James. I certainly think that Snape respects Harry - or at least respects his abilities; it frustrates him that Harry doesn't try harder and doesn't seem to get how important it all is. I also think that perhaps (if he loved Lily as i think he did) he must at times think of how disappointed Lily would have been in Harry's behaviour. (I certainly think that Lily would have done a good impersonation of Mrs Weasely with Harry over the pensieve incident)

Originally Posted by allegro

I guess that when Harry asks Snape for help in OotP after Harry had seen SWM - it's a kind of like Harry started 'talking' to Snape first, Snape sees he's useful and even if Harry doesn't trust him completely, he still can trust Snape to the degree of letting him know about the vision he had. Harry goes to save Sirius he loves just like Snape would save Lily, I guess.

That is a good point! I wonder what Snape thought about that maybe "at last the kid has learnt to put aside personal feelings when it comes to important stuff". For all Snape's pettiness he knows what's important and what isn't.

[OddmentTweak]

Salutations!

Originally Posted by HPSpec

I like this idea. I think Snape has, at times, been genuinely angry at Dumbledore for 'endangering' the greater goal for Harry. And I think Snape can use these moments to 'show' legilimens Voldemort his 'hatred' of Dumbledore and Harry - convincing Voldemort of his loyalties. <snip> I guess I cannot see Snape loving Harry - it takes real emotional strength to love someone that hates you.

HPSpec, I have read this over a few times now, and I like that first part more and more each time. Aside from the rather amusing aspects of the scary, super-controlled Potions Master 'blowing his top' over something clever the trio has done - a sure fire (child) crowd pleaser! - I haven't sat in my corner thinking through why this fits Snape's character. Yep, I likes this a lot.

However, I don't think Snape has ever loved nor hated Harry. I also don't think Harry really hates Snape - Oh, he has had flashes of hatred after run ins and discipline, but I don't really see an abiding, growing, nurtured hate living in Harry's heart. He's not built that way. Despise, distain, distaste, and resentment are a few adjectives that I feel work better.

[allegro]

Originally Posted by CathyWeasly

I'm still mulling over Snape's feelings towards Harry. Right from the start he must have known when Harry was coming to the school and that he'd have to teach him. I can't begin to imagine how he must have felt anticipating that ( oh alright then I can!) apprehensive, excited, distressed, fearful, frustrated - oh I could go on all day! I don't think he really started to hate Harry until PoA when Snape was so forcibly reminded of James. I certainly think that Snape respects Harry - or at least respects his abilities; it frustrates him that Harry doesn't try harder and doesn't seem to get how important it all is. I also think that perhaps (if he loved Lily as i think he did) he must at times think of how disappointed Lily would have been in Harry's behaviour. (I certainly think that Lily would have done a good impersonation of Mrs Weasely with Harry over the pensieve incident)

I wonder if Snape knew that Harry looked a lot like James. If he didn't, it could have been a shock for him, making him think that it's his reborn foe who visited Hogwarts. Snape's attack on Harry during his Potion speech in SS would have a good effect if the child was spoilt and pampered - but Harry isn't James!

In my opinion with the end of GoF there's slight change in Snape's attitude towards Harry. It's for better, as if Snape had finally started to see Harry in Harry or at least to stop comparing Harry to James (in HBP Snape compared Harry to James only in "The Flight of the Prince" and you certainly remember how often Snape was feeding Harry his "Like a father, like a son" in PoA!)

Originally Posted by CathyWeasly

That is a good point! I wonder what Snape thought about that maybe "at last the kid has learnt to put aside personal feelings when it comes to important stuff". For all Snape's pettiness he knows what's important and what isn't.

It was something Snape would appreciate.

Originally Posted by OddmentTweak

However, I don't think Snape has ever loved nor hated Harry. I also don't think Harry really hates Snape - Oh, he has had flashes of hatred after run ins and discipline, but I don't really see an abiding, growing, nurtured hate living in Harry's heart. He's not built that way. Despise, distain, distaste, and resentment are a few adjectives that I feel work better.

I see what you mean. Harry changed much after OotP - it's Sirius's death that changed him. If he wasn't able to hate in the middle of HBP, I'm afraid that he'll hate Snape until somebody will show him that Snape wasn't a traitor. Dumbledore's death can be too much for Harry. I understand yours "he's not built that way", I mean he isn't this kind of a boy who loves to hate, he's a good boy - but the thing with Snape is even more personal than with Draco. So my opinion is that he hates Snape now but it can be remedied.

[HPSpec]

Originally Posted by allegro

It's significant that knowing Harry's lack of talent in Occlumency, Snape saw Cho Chang in Harry's memories but he didn't comment on this: he chose to comment on the dog and he wasn't cruel to Harry.

I think this is a beautiful example of support for your theory that Snape's attitude is changing. Snape picked up on the thing he had in common with Harry, not the item he could make fun of.

Originally Posted by CathyWeasly

I also think that perhaps (if he loved Lily as i think he did) he must at times think of how disappointed Lily would have been in Harry's behaviour.

Just has young James didn't meet Lily's standards either! !

Originally Posted by OddmentTweak

I don't think Snape has ever loved nor hated Harry.

I agree that Snape has never loved Harry (and I don't think he ever will) but I'm a fence-sitter on the hate. I would agree that Snape doesn't hate Harry the same way he hated James and Sirius, that hate was very personal. If Snape has hated Harry, I don't think it was ever for personal reasons (with a possible exception of the end of PoA). I like your word 'despise' the best even if I'm applying it to the wrong person. As for Harry, I confess I'm going on JKR's statement that Harry's feud with Snape is now 'more personal' than with Voldemort. There might be a mirror there - I think Snape hates Voldemort for what he took from him (possibly his entire childhood if Tobias was killed by DEs for 'tainting' the Prince line. And of course Lily.) So Snape has deeply hated a number of people (the Marauders and possibly Voldemort) and this may well be why he is a horrible person - so much hatred corrupted him. Harry, on the otherhand, was too young - he didn't remember his parents so that loss wasn't as personal. And Harry's strength is his ability to NOT hate (example: Dursleys) - but I think we are about to see that strength severely (a pun!) tested. Harry now 'hates' Snape because Snape seems to have murdered Harry's father figure. I do believe Harry feels hate now, the the journey to overcome that corrosive force acting on his soul will be book seven. Any chance Voldemort will try to lure Harry into his net by using Harry's hatred of Snape? Perhaps this is why Voldemort decided to have Dumbledore killed by Draco or Snape - and no other DE was allowed to do it. It had to be someone Harry hated already so Voldemort could fuel that emotion to his advantage. Hate undoubtedly weakens Harry's protection - he had to be filled with love for Sirius to escape Voldemort so if Voldemort can keep Harry focused on his hatred of Snape he may well be able to kill Harry himself.

[Mugsy]

ugh... stop posting long enough for a guy to catch up would ya? lol

Thanks for the vote of support HPSpec. You're the bestest!

zgirnius - I agree with what you're saying about how Albus phrased it. That's what can give rise to the doubt. However, he is known for telling A truth.. but not the whole truth. I think it's Lupin in HBP that tells Harry that he hates Snape simply because he wants to. Harry has too much emotion regarding that. That's why I phrased it the way I did about Aberforth telling about the night. No half truths.

Harry at this point can't calm himself long enough to keep anyone from reading his mind. Dumbledore knows this. Can harry truly be trusted with something that could cost Snape his life? I don't think so personally. Truly Dumbledore is misleading Harry in some way. Aberforth will reveal, I hope, exactly what!

hpfan - yeah, I think there are lots of questions to be answered about that night. The main point I was trying to make is that things don't necessarily add up at this point and I think that's what Aberforth will fill us in about. I do think that it would be very possible of Dumbledore to have questioned Snape and found out that night that he was a DE. Who knows though? eh.. only Jo right now.

Okay.. I'm going to test another new idea out in my next catch up post. I don't have my book on me right now and I want to quote it exactly.

[OddmentTweak]

Salutations!
I see I must have somehow missed the boat, because you two are talking about Harry's feelings during the Flight and forward. I was talking about the overall arc of the series. Sorry. Yet it does fit into my point about Harry feeling hate after an incident. Killing DD was a big incident, and the level of hate and how long it will linger will proportionally be big as well.

There might be a mirror there - Perhaps this is why Voldemort decided to have Dumbledore killed by Draco or Snape - and no other DE was allowed to do it. It had to be someone Harry hated already so Voldemort could fuel that emotion to his advantage.

Ooooh! I like this! I'm going to have fun thinking about this, thanks!

I'm going to stay on my stool in my little confusion corner about Snape's attitude towards Harry. After my pycho-analysis of Snape, I don't quite agree with you about this. I am going to reserve judgement until I finish my read through and see if I get a fresh perspective.

[Morgan_Emerald]

CathyWeasly, allegro: good posts about Severus' feelings for Harry and the changes in them... I'm also not convinced that Severus ever truly hated Harry. They got off on the worst possible start: the Start of Term Feast where the anticipation of welcoming the "famous" Harry Potter collided with possible shock of seeing the incarnation of his childhood nemesis and that weird Quirrellmort Scar incident. What did Severus know about Harry's background? Harry didn't know anything about his parents, their friends and their history but was Severus aware of that? And then, the moment they look each other in the eyes for the very first time, this boy grimaces, in pain -- but again, does Severus know that? Of course, he responds with a scowl of his own and their you have it: the perfect basis for misunderstanding!

Severus doesn't strike me a particularly biased -- a man with convictions, yes, but not necessarily biased. But all that happens from that dratted first encounter pretty much confirms his worst expectations. Harry is James in the making! I guess you are right, allegro when you say that this conception starts to change after GoF -- it would make sense, Severus and Harry have something in common now: they both have thwarted the Dark Lord, Harry's spectaculair escape must have earned him some respect to say the least! The change becomes adamant, however, after the Occlumency lessons -- and we have been there already so I won't go into it here.

HPSpec: I seem to be singing in your choir today You bring up a very valid point: the danger of Harry's hatred. "Harry-Snape is now as personal, if not more so, than Harry-Voldemort." [Anelli, Melissa and Emerson Spartz. "The Leaky Cauldron and MuggleNet interview Joanne Kathleen Rowling: Part One," The Leaky Cauldron, 16 July 2005] definitely my favourite quote from JKR, because to me it once again emphasises the triangular structure of the story -- it make me wonder about the missing variable in the equation and the possible mirrors that exist between the three: Severus - Voldemort!

I must say, HPSpec, that you give it an interesting twist: Voldemort "planned" on Severus killing Dumbledore because he knew that would further Harry's "sliding down the slippery slope of Darkness" the most effective? It brings to mind the gruesome but very fitting picture of Voldemort as the kind of predator that is picking on existing wounds, preventing them from healing and increasing the damage and inflammation until his prey finally succumbs to something that might have began as nothing worse but a mere scratch... I am reminded of Severus' exaltated phrase preceding his famous "Fools who wear their hearts on their sleeves speech": "[i]Than you will find yourself easy prey for the Dark Lord!". That line really gives me the shivers -- especially now... *shudder* And than Harry's wonderfully observant response "I am not weak!" yeah, you really got the message, boy! That's exactly the point! Even the strongest person, hero, King of People and Animals can be felled, brought down, by the minutest of flawes, scratches -- history is full of that sort of lessons... And that is exactly how Voldemort works... Another "nice" image: Voldemort literary get's "under one's skin", eating away at one's "integrity" from within... *shudder*

I'm pretty certain that this is how he reeled Young!Severus in in the first place...

On a side note: and isn't that also what he is doing with Severus now? Placing Pettigrew with him?

Now, back to how Harry's full-fledged hatred for Severus endangers his "mission"... I have been posting on this since forever it seems but you have just given it a neat extra edge! It is clear that he needs to overcome his hatred for Severus (which must be misplaced otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense... ;-) in order to (re)connect to his true strength, his "Power the Dark Lord knows not" a.k.a. Love... How is he supposed to do that? On the How will Snape prove his loyalty? thread (which I have only recently discovered and where many of you post) several scenario's are being discussed, so I won't go into that here... this rant is already getting long enough as it is

Yeah, I think I'm just gonna stop now... save the rest for later!

[HPSpec]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Harry at this point can't calm himself long enough to keep anyone from reading his mind.

Mugsy good to see you back! This is an excellent point - Harry's emotions being so close to the surface protect him (when it is love) but make him vulnerable a the same time (when it is fear or hate). I wonder, do you think Dumbledore knew that Harry couldn't learn Occlumency but it was his way to throw the two of them together in hopes that they'd each figure out they have a lot in common? I'm sure that idea isn't new.

Originally Posted by OddmentTweak

I'm going to stay on my stool in my little confusion corner about Snape's attitude towards Harry.

Sounds much more comfortable than a fence - I like having a wall at my back! And HPverse often gives a range of directions, not just two!

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

Of course, he responds with a scowl of his own and their you have it: the perfect basis for misunderstanding!

*jaw drops* That is so Snape! Misread a facial expression (immediately assuming it is directed at him if it is negative) and the defenses go up! Bravo! I never saw that. And loved the rest post of the post too. I do wonder if we might be on to an answer for avoiding Harry the Horcrux - I need a reason for Voldemort to have backed away from Harry. Also, thanks for the summary on Snape's Patronus thread!

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

On the How will Snape prove his loyalty? thread (which I have only recently discovered and where many of you post)

I am certain we went over there to trot out aislin's jaw dropper about Fawkes. It does seem to be more of a 'random post' thread so I only check it when I'm avoiding something I SHOULD be doing! Like now.

Speaking of jaw droppers, I never found a good place to put maebelle's ideas about Snape's house choice. I wish I could talk her into starting a thread about the possibility that all students get a choice of houses and the only time the hat immediately decides is when a student does what Draco undoubtedly did - makes it clear he'll go home if he isn't put in the house he wants.

[Morgan_Emerald]

You're welcome, HPSpec! Glad you liked my take on the Start of Term Feast! I really think this is where it all started: two facial expressions, a piece history and a dash of Quirrellmort at the exact right moment, shaken not stirred, and we have brewed ourselves a highly explosive Molotov Cocktail of Misunderstanding...

The Choice of House -- interesting concept. I am quite certain that most people have different aspects to their personalities that might make them suitable for different Houses... but to be frank, I really don't like the system at all, it is rather stigmatising (I am a severe case of "anti-parochialism", makes me wonder where I would have ended up ;-) Severus strikes me as a perfect blend of all four Houses, actually: Spy!Snape = Slytherin, HBP!Snape = Ravenclaw, Healer!Snape = Hufflepuff, Order!Snape = Gryffindor... I can't imagine that he would have been very happy wherever he was placed -- probably for the same reason I wouldn't be happy

I don't know aislin's take on this matter, but I'm not sure where this will lead... with regard to Severus sounds very much like what is / has been going on DevSev (may it Rest in Peace ;-) If she does decide to start a thread I'll be sure to check it out (heck, like I have nothing else to do ;-)

Ah, the "Harry is a Horcux" dilemma! Yeah, you know, I have no clue as to why Voldemort would want to leave him (cannot help you there ;-) but I recently came up with a really cracking theory on the connotations to a possible soul piece in Harry -- without him being a Horcrux, mind you, I don't like that concept either (it has to do with the symbolism of Voldemort's EIGHTfold soul) No idea where to post it though...

[HPSpec]

Originally Posted by Morgan_Emerald

I can't imagine that he would have been very happy wherever he was placed

I agree that Snape has the traits of all houses but I do think given his financial, social and blood status he made the absolute worst choice. I hope I get to discuss it on the sorting hat thread!

Morgan_Emerald, do find a place to post that theory and let me know! I'm intrigued!

Which thread was it that we were speculating that Lily and Snape were involved with Hagrid raising fierce creatures? I think it was Nymphchild that suggested it. I found some interesting canon:

Dumbledore about Snape OoP, Ch 37 In the meantime, Professor Snape, intended to search the forest for you.

How many professors are comfortable searching the forst? And wasn't Grawp there? We certainly know Umbridge didn't fair too well there! I thought this was interesting...

[aislin]

The only professors we have seen go into the forrest before are Dumbledore, Hagrid, Umbridge. In HBP, the overheard conversation between Dumbledore and Snape takes place in the forrest. Where did we discuss why Snape and Dumbledore would have talked there?