What Annoyed You Most About GoF? v2

[GodricHollow]

The problem they had with Hermione's dress was that the castle was also decorated in blue. Tiny clash there.

[Blast_ended]

My only problem with the Dragon Chase scene is the fact that Harry is stupid. Near the end of the scene, there is that bridge, and instead of flying above him, he fly through him! What was the point of that? It's really dangerous. And then the Dragon hit the bridge and fall down. I didn't liked the idea of hurting the dragon - if it was up to me, Harry will take the egg and then the wizards around will stupifey the dragon.

As to Hermione's dress - they said in the DVD that she was suppose to look pretty and the people who dressed her though she looked better in pink.

[witchway]

Please excuse me if this has been previously mentioned... The most annoying aspect of the film for me was the somewhat 'cryptic' comments of Dumbledore. For instance (and this is not word perfect by any means..) "Personally, I don't have time for heros" . Harry is nothing if not heroic. Is this some kind of backward explanation as to why he put Harry in danger?
Then there's the scene after the pensieve where Dumbledore states that he "just can't find a connection" (or something similar) to everything that's been going on. Harry tells him of his recent dreams where B Jnr is assisting Morty and what does Dumbledore do? See it as the connction it is? I don't think so! He tells HP to cast it away or some such thing which was a lovely way to end the scene and all but DIDN"T MAKE SENSE! Dumbledore came off looking like a twit if u ask me. Not someone with a spectacular level of wisdom and perception. I was most disappointed.

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by shock058

I think one thing that was irritating is that in the movie, Hermione was wearing a pink dress to the Yule Ball, and in the book she is supposed to be wearing a "periwinkle" dress. I know that sounds really picky and annoying, but it just seems that it would take NO effort to stay true to the book, but her dress color was changed anyway. What was the need?

No, Not picky at all. They did have a genuine reason to change it. As some has mentioned the 2 blues would have clashed O' so badly!
As this is one of Hermiones most prominent and important scenes, she needs to stand out. Wearing a blue dress, would not have achieved this. This is an odd case, of it taking more effort to stick to the book, than to change one small detail, which improves the scene. (compared to what it could have looked like).

Here is an Example.

Ok Periwinkle blue-

And now A picture of the Great Hall, when it was decorated.


If her dress had been blue, we would not have been able to see her.

This is an example of Screen Adaptation.

[Artemis_Fowl_2]

Originally Posted by shock058

I think one thing that was irritating is that in the movie, Hermione was wearing a pink dress to the Yule Ball, and in the book she is supposed to be wearing a "periwinkle" dress. I know that sounds really picky and annoying, but it just seems that it would take NO effort to stay true to the book, but her dress color was changed anyway. What was the need?

I actually heard they did that because the blue dress blended in to well with the silver decor and they needed something to contrast the silver.


Edit - Oh, Beefy beat me to an answer! Never mind.

[yoshi2542]

Originally Posted by witchway

Please excuse me if this has been previously mentioned... The most annoying aspect of the film for me was the somewhat 'cryptic' comments of Dumbledore. For instance (and this is not word perfect by any means..) "Personally, I don't have time for heros" . Harry is nothing if not heroic. Is this some kind of backward explanation as to why he put Harry in danger?
Then there's the scene after the pensieve where Dumbledore states that he "just can't find a connection" (or something similar) to everything that's been going on. Harry tells him of his recent dreams where B Jnr is assisting Morty and what does Dumbledore do? See it as the connction it is? I don't think so! He tells HP to cast it away or some such thing which was a lovely way to end the scene and all but DIDN"T MAKE SENSE! Dumbledore came off looking like a twit if u ask me. Not someone with a spectacular level of wisdom and perception. I was most disappointed.

Your first quote is "Personally I've never had much time for heroes", and that seems pretty clear cut. He does not have time for people who brag about their achievements and who gloat about their good deeds, people who are arrogant. He likes people like Harry, who are heroic, but don't like to be called heroes. He is just dismissing Barty Crouch Jrs comment about being welcomed back like a hero, i.e. you can brag all you want, but your off to prison, and you've done nothing heroic in my eyes. Dumbledore was simply determined to deflate Couch's pride, and confess that he has little time for people who go on about the heroic deeds they've done.

I don't think your second issue failed to make sense. Dumbledore in the book and the film did not piece together the puzzle in time, and was unaware of the fake Moody situation. He refers to one small detail that he has overlooked, which I suppose is the tongue-flick that Crouch does. When Harry tells him for the first time about the dreams (remember in the film he does not hear from Sirius about them), he asks if there are others like this, and then tells Harry the best thing would be to cast them away. I.e. let Dumbledore handle this while you concentrate on surviving the 3rd task. It is a similar situation in OOTP, when Dumbledore knows these visions can be dangerous, and he tells him to ignore them and try to block them out, no matter how seemingly important they may be.

Not really cryptic at all. 'I don't like arrogant supposed-heroes like you' was his meaning in your first quote, and 'let me worry about this, try to forget about your dreams' was his meaning in the second. Certainly in the books Dumbledore expresses frustration and confusion about what is happening, read 'The Pensieve' chapter in GOF and you will see Dumbledore behave similarly.

[witchway]

This thread is to discuss the movie only. Not the book and the movie. The purpose here is to discuss what we found annoying about the film version of GoF. I actually understand your reasoning, however my reaction to the scenes I mentioned was annoyance. I didn't find them entertaining or enriching to the movie. I found them annoying...hence the reason for my post. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I found the scripting to be rushed (like the film itself). The hero comment annoyed me because I was unhappy with the lack of detail. To discuss Dd's motivations etc, in regard to the GoF movie is one thing, to discuss them in relation to the books AND the movie is another and I wasn't doing that anyway.

[Queen_Beruth]

Originally Posted by witchway

This thread is to discuss the movie only. Not the book and the movie. The purpose here is to discuss what we found annoying about the film version of GoF. I actually understand your reasoning, however my reaction to the scenes I mentioned was annoyance. I didn't find them entertaining or enriching to the movie. I found them annoying...

Yes, we know.

Originally Posted by witchway

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hence the reason for my post. Perhaps I should have mentioned that I found the scripting to be rushed (like the film itself). The hero comment annoyed me because I was unhappy with the lack of detail. To discuss Dd's motivations etc, in regard to the GoF movie is one thing, to discuss them in relation to the books AND the movie is another and I wasn't doing that anyway.

Ah, but your comments suggest that you are looking at the film as being not like the book, hence your complaint about the "lack of detail", something only a reader would look for (rather unreasonably IMO) in a dramatization.

The other posters were just trying to look at the scenes you disliked objectively, and suggest reasons why they were done that way.

[crookshanks16]

What really annoyed me was that it seemed like Harry and Hermione were in love or something. I'm a Ron/Hermione shipper, so it really made me angry.

[mark]

siruis's head was one thing for sure they should have showed siruis's head instead of a bunch of fire shaped like his head
also there was the quidditch world cup they didnt even show the game! i was looking forward to seeing that too
it was a really good movie tho

[AnotherRedhead]

Generally, I liked GoF (I saw the movies before reading the books). The only thing that irritated me was the passage of time in the movie. I know there are time constraints, but they skipped over the months between the tournament tasks as if they didn't exist at all. You would have never known that four months passed between the second and third tasks.

I, too, was bothered by the way the students acted so casually at the end of the film. I had expected them to be much more subdued after Cedric's death than they were.

[PurpleSun]

this film is the worst yet, as far as sticking to what Rowling originally gave us in the book. the non-book audience completely misses hermione's house elf pwoer trip, which shows that, despite the fact that she is a confused teenage girl, she is also still the same bossy,know it all hermione that we first saw in Sorcer'rs stone. also, they omit entire characters,(ludo bagman, winky, dobby,sirius) they omitt the part about veela, which ruins the fleur character, and ron's reason for being so taken with her. the non- book audience also doesnt get a full portrayal of the plan to return voldy to power. furthermore, they absolutely SHOULD NOT have shown barty crouch in that dream at the beginning, nor should have they let karkaroff's trial reveal barty crouch's death eater activity, as that changes the entire story line. hell, they duidnt even get the wording of the spell right in the graveyard! i could go on, but those are the main points. great acting from the characters, but the writng and directing...ugh.

[Peg]

The very condensed beginning irritated me. I hated the way we didn't really see anything until the Beaubatons and Durmstrang delegations arrive at Hogwarts. I had really been looking foreward to the World Cup, too, so I was really dissapointed that we didn't see it.

The fact that Bagman was left out really bothered me too. I had wanted to see him, especially as he provides a great deal of the comic releif in the book.

I had also wanted to see Weasley's Wizard Wheezes, and therefore bordered on infuriated when they were left out.

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by AnotherRedhead

Generally, I liked GoF (I saw the movies before reading the books). The only thing that irritated me was the passage of time in the movie. I know there are time constraints, but they skipped over the months between the tournament tasks as if they didn't exist at all. You would have never known that four months passed between the second and third tasks.

I, too, was bothered by the way the students acted so casually at the end of the film. I had expected them to be much more subdued after Cedric's death than they were.

May I say, I too saw the films before reading the books, and It is the best way to do it IMO!

Anyway, I think that a reason why they appeared to be "over" Cederics death was because in the movie, there is about 20 minutes between Ced Getting it and the End of the film. In the movie world, thats an aweful long time.
And we also got Dumbledores speech aswell as Harry by himself whilst everybody is saying goodbye. Afterall, it affects him the most.

Plus, Between the End of GOF and the Start of OOTP, many people (not Book fans) will forget the details. So they will not remember the grief being felt, and hence it will loose its affect on them. So ending the film, on a postitive note is quite a good idea.

(hope that made sence)

Originally Posted by PurpleSun

this film is the worst yet, as far as sticking to what Rowling originally gave us in the book. the non-book audience completely misses hermione's house elf pwoer trip, which shows that, despite the fact that she is a confused teenage girl, she is also still the same bossy,know it all hermione that we first saw in Sorcer'rs stone. also, they omit entire characters,(ludo bagman, winky, dobby,sirius) they omitt the part about veela, which ruins the fleur character, and ron's reason for being so taken with her. the non- book audience also doesnt get a full portrayal of the plan to return voldy to power. furthermore, they absolutely SHOULD NOT have shown barty crouch in that dream at the beginning, nor should have they let karkaroff's trial reveal barty crouch's death eater activity, as that changes the entire story line. hell, they duidnt even get the wording of the spell right in the graveyard! i could go on, but those are the main points. great acting from the characters, but the writng and directing...ugh.

Wow where to start! Erm I think I will tackle that all at once.

You mention the non-book readers missing out on all the sub-plots like SPEW etc and not knowing Characters like Bagman etc.

Well, lets think. Have these sub-plots or Characters played a big role in Harrys story? No, really is the answer. I enjoy reading about them as much as the next person, but essentially, what the Non-readers don't know, won't hurt them.
Aslong as they don't introduce the ommited characters suddenly in the next movies, then they will make sense.

And the reason you ask, why they had to cut out all the fore-mentioned? Well, if you wanted a 8 Movie, then well you put all the details from the books in it! Unfortunately, the Directors don't have Time Turners, so to fit the book into 3 hours, it had to be cut.

[weasley001]

Techniclly Weaslys Wizard Wheezes weren't left out of the movie although I know what you're talking about. I wanted to see the Ton Tounge Toffee too, but we just might be able to see the Nosebleed Nogats and the Extendable Ears in the next film *crosses fingers*

[Beefy]

Originally Posted by weasley001

Techniclly Weaslys Wizard Wheezes weren't left out of the movie although I know what you're talking about. I wanted to see the Ton Tounge Toffee too, but we just might be able to see the Nosebleed Nogats and the Extendable Ears in the next film *crosses fingers*

Unfortunately I doubt we will. I mean Hopefully they will at least introduce Weasleys Wizarding Wheezes, but there is soo much information and plot to cram into the movie as it is! I doubt they will find time for it!

Anyway, they can just have the Trio put their ears up to the door to listen in, instead of using extendables.

[MuggleNutter]

The things that bothered me were the things that everyone has already mentioned: Hot Lava Monster Sirius, Dumbledore's crazy behavior, the tightly-condensed story (though they had time to have a pointless and nonsensical dragon chase) and the lack of character development for Fleur, Cedric and Krum. If Cedric had been a more prominent character, his death would have had a lot more impact. Speaking of his death, the happy, fairy-tale ending seemed like it could have been done beter - the optimism is fine, but you have to remember, a student just died and this is supposed to the installment in which the story takes a darker turn.

[witchway]

[quote=Queen_Beruth]Yes, we know.

it didn't actually seem like it.

Ah, but your comments suggest that you are looking at the film as being not like the book, hence your complaint about the "lack of detail", something only a reader would look for (rather unreasonably IMO) in a dramatization.

The other posters were just trying to look at the scenes you disliked objectively, and suggest reasons why they were done that way.

[/QUOTE

Not necessarily. Perhaps the hero comment was done in relation to the book but the connection comment was movie only. Watching that scene without reading the book i would have been confused and irritated that Dumbledore was dismissing the evidence of a connection between events. Besides, the post that i was referring to discussed many references and i felt that was a completely different thing to do. i don't believe the dream Harry has in GoF the film is like the dreams he has in the OotP the book. That's getting off topic.

[marylovesharry]

Originally Posted by MuggleNutter

...If Cedric had been a more prominent character, his death would have had a lot more impact. Speaking of his death, the happy, fairy-tale ending seemed like it could have been done beter - the optimism is fine, but you have to remember, a student just died and this is supposed to the installment in which the story takes a darker turn.

This was actually something that annoyed me also and I wasn't going to say anything but I've changed my mind. My senior year of highschool we had a student (in my class) die (he was shot at a party) and it changed the entire tone of the year. Death is not something people get over quickly (especially teenagers who tend to think they're immortal and invincible). I liked that they ended the movie on a happy note but at the same time ... the "good-bye scene" seemed much too happy for what had just happened. I don't know ... it seemed very WBish to me. In their t.v. shows the characters go through stuff and get over it entirely too quickly and forget all about it (this ties in with my earlier post about how I feel Hermione is portrayed in this film). So yeah, it annoyed me too.

[GodricHollow]

Originally Posted by Beefy

Unfortunately I doubt we will. I mean Hopefully they will at least introduce Weasleys Wizarding Wheezes, but there is soo much information and plot to cram into the movie as it is! I doubt they will find time for it!

Anyway, they can just have the Trio put their ears up to the door to listen in, instead of using extendables.

Not really, you just need to mention the fact that Fred and George didn't get as many OWLs as Molly wanted (nice way to introduce OWLs too, I might add,) and then they can just say that "All we want to do is open a joke shop", and then they can show Molly some of the things they've made, like the ears.