Hidden in the Rubble

[navygreen]

Discussion for The Burrow topic - Hidden in the Rubble by Kimberly.

[inkling7]

If as you suggested Voldemort may have left a Horcux behind at the Godric's Hollow house when he blew himself and the house up and became as some people have called him Vapourmort (English spelling) then surely he would have gone back there a when he became snakey-facemort and retrieved this horcux just in case one did get made there wwith his Avada Kedavra spell? or at least sent a loyal deatheater - I'm thinking Wormtail here as he knows where to go - to collect this something he left behind. He wouldn't have to necessarily tell Peter P it's real significance - just that he wanted it brought to him.

[SusanBones]

I was really glad to see your editorial because the horcrux part of it matches my own theories. Voldemort took an object to Godric's Hollow that he had planned to turn into a horcrux. I have also thought that if the object has to be prepared before the murder, so that the soul piece has a target, like a magnet, then it is possible that Harry will find a horcrux when he returns to Godric's Hollow. Why else would JK Rowling send him there? Robbie Fischer's editorial about how sad it was to return to his step-father's old home, actually supports your theory that something positive will come from Harry's visit.

You are going to get a ton of comments about this horcrux theory. People have a hard time discussing it politely. But you did a really good job of supporting your theory.

Of course, inkling7 raises a really good point. If Voldemort realized he had left a horcrux behind, why didn't he go get it? If he didn't realize he made an accidental horcrux, then there are still the same number out there for Harry to find. But, if Harry found a horcrux that Voldemort didn't realize he had created, it will make it possible for Harry to kill Voldemort once he finds the rest of the horcruxes.

[Dumbledoresgal7]

yay good editorial! i agree that harry isnt a horcrux also because Voldemort has been trying to kill him all this time like in GOF so why would he want to destroy one of his own horcruxes?

[squibpott]

i agree that harry isnt a horcrux also because Voldemort has been trying to kill him all this time like in GOF so why would he want to destroy one of his own horcruxes?

I totally agree with what Dumbledoresgal7 said. I went through a phase of believing that Harry wasa horcrux until i realised that Voldemort would never try to destroy one of his own Horcruxes, unless he didn't care about Horcruxes anymore and there was another method of preservation that he used? But this is unlikely because it would mean that even if Harry destroyed all the remaining Horcruxes and Voldemort himself, then Voldemort would just become Vapourmort again, not likely, JKR would do that. Besides she said it herself that Harry is not a Horcrux.

However I don't agree that Voldemort made a Horcrux at Godric's Hollow. The way it was written in the book i think that the spell would have to be made after murder; the murder would be committed, the spell would be made and the Horcrux would then be formed in the chosen object. This being the case, it would have been impossible to make a Horcrux at Godric's Hollow.

[mckenna061292]

I'm going to have to disagree with the author's theory on the horcrux. Now assuming that even if he had the object, preformed the spell, and everything was set to go beforehand... The intended death was not made, in fact, neither of them died...In order for the soul to split, a murder must be committed. Harry is still alive and breathing to my knowlege is he not? And voldemort did not die either, "A fate worse than death" as my mother and Hagrid essentially say. So the intended murder was not made, therefore no horcrux was made. Which leads me to my own theory I thought I'd bring up here. Was the final horcrux even made? If harry was to be the 7th horcrux and harry didn't die. There are only 6 horcruxes (horcri?) that were ever made, am I correct? Think about it.

[limi]

Originally Posted by mckenna061292

So the intended murder was not made, therefore no horcrux was made. Which leads me to my own theory I thought I'd bring up here. Was the final horcrux even made? If harry was to be the 7th horcrux and harry didn't die. There are only 6 horcruxes (horcri?) that were ever made, am I correct? Think about it.

I agree with mckenna061292 about Voldemort not making the horcrux at Godric's Hollow because Harry didn't die, I wanted to bring it up myself... But, I would like to correct you: With Harry's death Voldemort was going to make his 6th horcrux, as Dumbledore explained.
I also wanted to share a theory: Voldemort knows he hasn't got 6 horcruxes because Malfoy admitted to him that the diary is gone. Therefore, it is possible that he'll make another horcrux instead of it, thinking that this would complete his set. This might cause some problems to Harry and his friends, as they have no way to know if he did this.

[bellatrix4ever]

An interesting theory, but since Harry didn't die, I believe Voldemort wasn't able to create his final horcrux that night. I think Nagini is a red herring, and Voldemort used the death of Amelia Bones for his final horcrux. Why would Voldemort, basically lying low since the time of his "rebirth" if you will, go commit a murder out of nowhere? To make a horcrux!

Harry's NOT a horcrux. That would be WAY too easy

[kbarrick1439]

To everyone who responded or will respond, thanks, even if you didn't like it. This is my first posted editorial, and I welcome ANY resposes you may have, positive or negative.

[lilyp]

It's a good editorial. I agree with you about the object and with other posters about the fact that Harry was not killed and that means a Horcrux couldn't be made using his death.
But there is another possibility. Voldemort could have already have made a horcrux using James' death. That would explain why he was so intent in killing James and not Lily. Perhaps he thought James'death would be significant enough to make a horcrux ( there would be something about James we don't know yet). And Dumbledore told Harry that Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow with at least one horcruxshort of his goal. That means he could have another horcrux to make yet.
This horcrux could have penetrated baby Harry's skull in the explosion that followed the AK curse. This would explain Harry and Voldemort's connection, and the horcrux would have been made intentionally with a real death.

[Ben24]

Good editorial. I had a hunch about Harry finding a Horcrux at GH. I thought the idea of Harry being a Horcrux was absurd as well. I mean, why would LV try to destroy one of his Horcruxes? It doesn't make sense. Keep up the good work.

[Mae]

Originally Posted by bellatrix4ever

An interesting theory, but since Harry didn't die, I believe Voldemort wasn't able to create his final horcrux that night.

harry didnt die, but lily potter did! the soul-transfering could have happened then.

[mwahaha]

hmm ya its a good editorial.It has,of course,its leopholes and the fact of discovering a horcrux in the rubble at godric isn't exactly exciting,but it has to happen,or something similar to that,because there is no way to have in only one book all the unanswered questions(and trust me there are a lot of those),the final battle,and the hunt for all the horcruxes.It's just too much to fit in one book that's even less huge than OotP!! but than again,this is jkr were talking here.

why would Voldemort try to destroy one of his Horcruxes? It doesn't make sense
posted by ben

maybe because..he'd rather be one horcrux short than having harry ''vanquish'' him?maybe because.... he doesn't know harry's a a horcrux?i don't think he is though

[wandaXmaximof]

Very good and thought prevoking editorial. I'm with you on the idea the Harry isn't a horcrux, I'm just not sure either way on the possabillity of there being one at Godric's Hollow. There's some good arguments either way. But if your theory is true, it'll make some good reading in the early parts of book 7 and might save Harry a lot of trouble later on. Well done.

[AmeliaBlack]

I think you are right on to ask: "What's the plot's logic of sending Harry to GH?" However, I'm not convinced that Harry will find a horcrux there, for several reasons: First of all, even without the potential horcrux there is inherent logic in sending Harry back to his origins and revisit his roots before he faces the final battle. All along, his maturation (or, as Lady Lupin has convincingly described it, his "alchemical transformation") process consisted in encounters with VM or his likes counterbalanced by encounters with his own roots (his parents' old friends, old objects, old spell-history (priori incantatem), old memories.) I believe that Harry needs to go back to GH to find something that will give him additional strength to face his tasks, like some new allies, or objects or knowledge related to his family that will help him (maybe an insight about Snape's connection to Lily?) But there is another reason why I don't think a horcrux is there: GH is Gryffindor-ground, and we have yet to learn if VM actually made a "Gryffindor-Horcrux" - of the objects we know of, Nagini would be the only option for that one, and she doesn't reside there; unless you guys are right and we have an "unknown" additional horcrux- but let's face it, Jo has enough loose ends to tie up; there is much more likely to be a Ravenclaw-horcrux (maybe Rowena's wand hidden with Ollivander, see the editorial on that theory) - we simply have no hints or clues pointing to a Gryffindor object. Also, Jo rarely comes up with plot line that requires an extensive amount of technical information without introducing at the same time something completely new. Sorry if this is a bit long-winded, but I think your thought that Harry will find something "in the rubble" is right on - it also parallels VM's visit to his own family's home, only that once again the conclusion either will draw from facing his roots will be a contrast.

[Rachie]

That is precisely what I thought when I read book 6. My thoughts ran along the lines that discussing Godric's Hollow at the end of the HBP, Harry is setting our minds in the direction of Godric's Hollow. I think that digging in the rubble for a Horcrux that could in all possibility be there is a way for JK Rowling to draw the story out of book 6 and connect it with the final journey of book 7. You did a wonderful job of clearly laying out and discussing the possibilities and realities of Harry questing back to his first home.

[blacklvr16]

loved the editorial! i agree with the proposal that the last horcrux could be in the house. now that i think about it, harry's old home seems to be the perfect place for a horcrux. but voldie would be able to come back to the house wouldnt he? i mean, if he knows that he made a horcrux that night, the first thing he would have done once back to power would be to go back to the potters house and secure the horcrux. it could also be possible that this will be where we are led throughout the last book, the final meeting place of harry and voldie. harry's old home, where voldie first tried to kill harry could be the place that they battle for the last time. that would be a great climax. who knows though?

[kathrine]

Originally Posted by squibpott

I totally agree with what Dumbledoresgal7 said. I went through a phase of believing that Harry wasa horcrux until i realised that Voldemort would never try to destroy one of his own Horcruxes, unless he didn't care about Horcruxes anymore and there was another method of preservation that he used? But this is unlikely because it would mean that even if Harry destroyed all the remaining Horcruxes and Voldemort himself, then Voldemort would just become Vapourmort again, not likely, JKR would do that. Besides she said it herself that Harry is not a Horcrux.

Where did JR say that Harry wasn't a Horcrux?

I liked the editorial too. I suppose V. tries to kill Harry because he DOESN't know that Harry is a Horcrux! If he is, then he was made unitnentonaly. And that would bring a dramatic end to the story - a badly injured Voldermort killing Harry and realising too late that his last Horcrux is gone. I don;t believe either that Harry is a horcrux but it would make a good story.
Why does everyone think that the object for a horcrux has to be in the same place the death takes place. Maybe it can be secured somewere, perpeared for the soul piece. We don't know how the hole horcrux-magic works so we can only speculate.

[blacklvr16]

Originally Posted by mckenna061292

... So the intended murder was not made, therefore no horcrux was made. Which leads me to my own theory I thought I'd bring up here. Was the final horcrux even made? If harry was to be the 7th horcrux and harry didn't die. There are only 6 horcruxes (horcri?) that were ever made, am I correct? Think about it.

i never even thought of that!! you have a really good point. so, the question i have is does the horcrux spell (if it is indeed done before the murder) work no matter who it is you kill, or must you have already planned the murder and who it is your killing for you to be successful in making a horcrux?

[pengiedude]

ok, first of all, let me address the secret keeper loophole theory. just like the horcrux magic, we don't know exactly what is entailed in the hiding of a place or person. we've only seen one example (grimauld place) and the piece of paper peter pettigrew gave to Voldemort (or the statement he said to him) COULD have included harry's name. And onto the Horcrux theory. I thought it was pretty clear that the reason Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow was to kill Harry and prevent the prophecy about his downfall from coming true. Why would Voldemort risk such an important task just to make a Horcrux? He killed Harry's family and tried to kill Harry in order to stop the prophecy, not make a horcrux. And I'm pretty sure you can't make a horcrux on accident, as horcruxes are such powerful and evil artifacts. Lastly, who says there's rubble? Maybe i'm misreading your editorial and the rubble is figurative, but I doubt there is anything at all left of Harry's home. When a fire destroys a house, it's either repaired or torn down and a new house is built in its place. If Harry goes to his old house, there will most likely be another house, another wizarding family, and even if a horcrux HAD been made, it would be gone, thrown away along with the rest of the rubble of Harry's old house. Sorry my comment is so long, but it's pretty much over now.