Little HP Questions Answered v6

[Freaky]

Originally Posted by Collette

Can someone tell me,please, who is the DADA teacher who lasted 3 terms? In PoA, it is mentioned as "no one lasting in that position for more than three terms".
Thank you

3 terms is the same as one year. September to Christmas, Christmas to Easter, Easter to June.

[BurrowGhoul]

Originally Posted by 62442al_Man

The Unnofficial Guide doesn't have Crabbe and Goyle listed because they were not sorted during the Sorting Ceremony. For Goyle it goes from Finnigan, Seamus to Granger, Hermione. And for Crabbe, it goes straight from Bulstrode, Millicent to Finch-Fletchley, Justin. Then, look here:

So this means that Crabbe and Goyle were not sorted. It could be a mistake by JKR, like with the whole Marcus Flint thing, or it could just be that they were held back. That means that they were held back their first year until Malfoy arrived at the school;then, miraculously, they started passing their classes. Wierd.

My bet is that they might've just been skipped over like other students. Though, there are other explantations...

Well, since both Crabbe and Goyle come alphabetically before Malfoy, even if they were first years it would make sense that they were already seated when Malfoy was sorted.

[62442al_Man]

Originally Posted by BurrowGhoul

Well, since both Crabbe and Goyle come alphabetically before Malfoy, even if they were first years it would make sense that they were already seated when Malfoy was sorted.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Sookie]

Originally Posted by 62442al_Man

Okay, then yeah, as I said before, it is Quirrell's body so his name shows up. The Marauder's didn't put into the map the idea that someone just might be having someone sharing their body. Quirrell showed up on the map, not Voldemort and not Quirrelmort.

I disagree. It would seem to me that a person's life-force or soul (no matter how fractured) would still appear on the map and it would read their given name. Barty Crouch appeared even though he was polyjuicing to look like Moody. As I said before, Voldemort's life-essence, or whatever you want to call it, was strong enough to force Quirrell into actions and that force should have been represented on the map. At least that's how I see it.

[62442al_Man]

Originally Posted by ASM

I disagree. It would seem to me that a person's life-force or soul (no matter how fractured) would still appear on the map and it would read their given name. Barty Crouch appeared even though he was polyjuicing to look like Moody. As I said before, Voldemort's life-essence, or whatever you want to call it, was strong enough to force Quirrell into actions and that force should have been represented on the map. At least that's how I see it.

And I disagree with that. Voldemort was sharing a body with Quirrell. Quirrell was not sharing a body with Voldemort. Even though Voldemort may have the ability to take over Quirrell's body for a period of time, Quirrell is still the more powerful life-force. Voldemort would be less than the meanest ghost without Quirrell.

[Sookie]

Originally Posted by 62442al_Man

Voldemort would be less than the meanest ghost without Quirrell.

But ghosts show up on the map, so why wouldn't Voldemort?

Voldemort was sharing a body with Quirrell. Quirrell was not sharing a body with Voldemort

Are you saying that Quirrell, as the physically stronger of the two, would "drown-out" any evidence of Voldemort?

[BurrowGhoul]

Who's saying he didn't? Maybe Fred & George were more concerned with getting to Honeydukes than noticing Tom Riddle. And maybe it showed Tom Riddle and Quirrel in such a way that they just assumed they were standing in the same room. How would the map show them sharing a head?

[62442al_Man]

Originally Posted by ASM

But ghosts show up on the map, so why wouldn't Voldemort?

Think about it for a second: Quirellmort. Would that look right coming from the Marauder's Map. If not, what do you think it would say? "Quirrell being taken over by Voldemort"? His image shows Quirrell so it would show Quirrell on the map.

Voldemort wasn't a ghost, by the way.

[sirlaughalot]

Has anybody thought of what Neville's remember ball might have to do with Book 7? Could it hold a secret from Neville's parents before their being hospitalized to help Harry defeat Voldy?

[62442al_Man]

Originally Posted by sirlaughalot

Has anybody thought of what Neville's remember ball might have to do with Book 7? Could it hold a secret from Neville's parents before their being hospitalized to help Harry defeat Voldy?

It's Remembrall, I think. I don't know of it's significance in the future, but I think that Neville lost it, if I remember correctly. I'll search for some quotes. I don't think it holds any secrets, either .

[MrSleepyHead]

Originally Posted by BurrowGhoul

Who's saying he didn't? Maybe Fred & George were more concerned with getting to Honeydukes than noticing Tom Riddle. And maybe it showed Tom Riddle and Quirrel in such a way that they just assumed they were standing in the same room. How would the map show them sharing a head?

I think you put your finger on the problem. As far as I recall, Fred and George wouldn't have even known who Tom Riddle was (Dumbledore said that he is one of the few who knew him as Tom Riddle). Therefore, they wouldn't have even cared when they saw Quirrel with Tom Riddle. As far as they were concerned Quirrel was merely talking to a student when the two showed up on the map.

Originally Posted by sirlaughalot

Has anybody thought of what Neville's remember ball might have to do with Book 7? Could it hold a secret from Neville's parents before their being hospitalized to help Harry defeat Voldy?

Here is the quote 62442al_Man is looking for:

OotP, Luna Lovegood, Page 186, American hb "Another Remembrall?" said Harry, remembering the marblelike device Neville's grandmother had sent him in an effort to improve his abysmal memory. "No," said Neville, "I could do with one, though, I lost the old one ages ago..."

I doubt that the remembrall will come into play. JKR used it in the first book to get Harry on the Quidditch team.

[horcrux4]

Originally Posted by BurrowGhoul

Well, since both Crabbe and Goyle come alphabetically before Malfoy, even if they were first years it would make sense that they were already seated when Malfoy was sorted.

That makes sense to me. Was Malfoy already with them on the train? Indicating that he knew them already? As their fathers were all DEs it seems reasonable that they would know each other, but isn't it odd that 4 Death Eaters (Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle & Nott) had children the same year? What are the odds of that??

[Alastor]

Crabbe and Goyle were with Draco on the train. They were also mentioned as present during the flying lesson. And I seem to remember them mentioned in classes several times through the series.

[Sookie]

Originally Posted by 62442al_Man

Think about it for a second: Quirellmort. Would that look right coming from the Marauder's Map. If not, what do you think it would say? "Quirrell being taken over by Voldemort"?

First off, beyond walking, the map doesn't say what the person or people are doing, only that they are on grounds and where they are. Barty Crouch's name didn't come up as MoodCrouch or "Barty using Polyjuice to look like Moody in order to kidnap Harry Potter and bring Voldemort back to power." The map shows names and whether or not they are moving, with the occasional exception of showing the person in possession of the map how to cause mischief (Dissendium to get into the one eyed witch passage way).

Voldemort wasn't a ghost, by the way.

I know that Voldemort wasn't a ghost and I never said he was. But his state of being was very similar to that of a ghost. He was after all, a soul (or a piece of one, anyway) tethered to the earth, having lost his body to death. So, if Nearly Headless Nick's soul appears on the map, why wouldn't "Tom Riddle's" ?

[kingwidgit]

Originally Posted by ASM

Barty Crouch's name didn't come up as MoodCrouch or "Barty using Polyjuice to look like Moody in order to kidnap Harry Potter and bring Voldemort back to power."

This is true. The map showed "Bartemius Crouch". Not Alastor Moody, not Alastor Moody/Bartemius Crouch, and not Bartimius polyjuiced to resemble Alastor.

The same can be said for those under the animagus transformation. It doesn't say 'cat, dog, rat' or Pettigrew animagus RAT...it said 'Peter Pettigrew'.

Likewise, had we been made aware of the maps existence in PS/SS, it should have shown Quirrinus Quirrell. The map does register ghosts as well, so had we been aware of the map in PS/SS we may have seen T.M. Riddle. or Tom Riddle --- but not Voldemort, as that was an invented name, not the correct name of the individual.

We didn't know of the map in PS/SS, so no one looked at the map and registered anything wrong; just as no one looked at the map and registered 'Peter Pettigrew' for the rat animagus in POA. It never happened, so asking 'What if...' is rather moot.

[Murzim]

Originally Posted by kingwidgit

This is true. The map showed "Bartemius Crouch". Not Alastor Moody, not Alastor Moody/Bartemius Crouch, and not Bartimius polyjuiced to resemble Alastor.

The same can be said for those under the animagus transformation. It doesn't say 'cat, dog, rat' or Pettigrew animagus RAT...it said 'Peter Pettigrew'.

Likewise, had we been made aware of the maps existence in PS/SS, it should have shown Quirrinus Quirrell. The map does register ghosts as well, so had we been aware of the map in PS/SS we may have seen T.M. Riddle. or Tom Riddle --- but not Voldemort, as that was an invented name, not the correct name of the individual.

We didn't know of the map in PS/SS, so no one looked at the map and registered anything wrong; just as no one looked at the map and registered 'Peter Pettigrew' for the rat animagus in POA. It never happened, so asking 'What if...' is rather moot.

I always thought it to be like kingwidgit explained.
Though as far as I remember we don't know whether the map said 'Peter Pettigrew' in PoA; Lupin is the only one who recognised him and he only said 'he was with you', it's possible that the Marauders don't show up with their own names (real or nickname), they made the map and might have added a safety precaution should the map fall into the wrong hands.

Two other possibilities are:

We don't know how the magic of the map works, it might only show locations people and ghosts, as that was what the marauders were interested in. Vapomort was something unique not a man, not a ghost and the magic of the map might not have included him.

While reading this discussion I had another idea, Riddle/Voldemort might be unplottable . I know, that disguise is usually for buildings, but he is a powerful wizard and being the most wanted wizard in the world during VW I, it would have been highly useful for him



I’d like to add a question: Does the Marauders Map show animals? (not animagi!)

[Gigglepoo]

Something that has always been bothering me: how come Mr. Weasley avoids real punishment in CoS when the Ford Angelica is discovered? Shouldn't he have been fired? I mean, it's one thing for normal wizards to jinx objects, but the head the of the office against such practices? He's lucky he kept his job.

Not that I would want him to get fired... I'm surprised Harry never brought him a Rubber Ducky to play with.

One more question:

(I can't believe I forgot this detail...)

Why were the Potters hiding in the first place?

[kingwidgit]

Originally Posted by Murzim

Though as far as I remember we don't know whether the map said 'Peter Petigrew' in PoA; Lupin is the only one who recognised him and he only said 'he was with you', it's possible that the Marauders don't show up with their own names (real or nickname), they made the map and might have added a safety precaution should the map fall into the wrong hands.

Actually, we do know that it showed 'Peter Pettigrew'...The names of people appear on the map, even while in animagus forms.

POA, Cat, Rat, and Dog "And then I saw another dot, moving fast towards you, labeled Sirius Black..."

And proof of 'Peter Pettigrew appearing on the map:

jkrowling.com, F.A.Q. Why didn't Fred and George notice Peter Pettigrew on the Marauder's Map before ("Prisoner of Azkaban")? It would not have mattered if they had. Unless somebody was very familiar with the story of Sirius Black (and after all, Sirius was not Mr. and Mrs. Weasley's best friend – indeed, they never knew him until after he escaped from Azkaban), Fred and George would be unlikely to know or remember that Peter Pettigrew was the person Sirius had (supposedly) murdered. Even if Fred and George HAD heard the story at some point, why would they assume that the 'Peter Pettigrew' they occasionally saw moving around the map was, in fact, the man murdered years before? Fred and George used the map for their own mischief-making, so they concentrated, naturally enough, on those portions of the map where they were planning their next misdeeds. And finally, you must not forget that hundreds of little dots are moving around this map at any given time… Fred and George did not know everyone in school by name, so a single unfamiliar name was unlikely to stand out.

Originally Posted by Murzim

I’d like to add a question: Does the Marauders Map show animals? (not animagi!)

Yes, animals do appear on the map:

OoP, Dumbledore's Army A map of Hogwarts appeared upon the blank surface of the parchment. Tiny black moving dots, labeled with names, showed where various people were. "Filch is on the second floor," said Harry, holding the map close to his eyes and scanning it closely, "Mrs. Norris is on the fourth."

[Murzim]

You're right kingidget, and thank's for the Mrs Norris quote.

Originally Posted by Gigglepoo

Something that has always been bothering me: how come Mr. Weasley avoids real punishment in CoS when the Ford Angelica is discovered? Shouldn't he have been fired? I mean, it's one thing for normal wizards to jinx objects, but the head the of the office against such practices? He's lucky he kept his job.

Not that I would want him to get fired... I'm surprised Harry never brought him a Rubber Ducky to play with.

Mr Weasley told Molly that owning the car, or bewitching it was not against the law (he had made sure of that, when he wrote that law ), so all they could charge him for was neglecting his duty to supervise the car, Ron and Harry.
From what we’ve read most wizards and witches don’t seem to be too bothered with muggle relations, so a flying car won’t be considered a serious offence and there was no lasting damage done so most of them might think that working in the Muggle Relations Office was enough of a punishment for anyone with a little bit of wizarding pride.

Originally Posted by Gigglepoo

One more question:

(I can't believe I forgot this detail...)


Why were the Potters hiding in the first place?

Fudge answered it, and I think he was right. When Harry overhears him, Hagrid, McGonagall and Flitwick in the Three Broomsticks Fudge is telling Rosmerta

PoA chp.10 Dumbledore, who was of course working tirelessly against You-Know-Who, had a number of useful spies. One of them tipped him off, and he alerted James and Lily at once. He advised them to go into hiding. Well, of course, You-Know-Who wasn’t an easy person to hide from. Dumbledore told them that their best chance was the Fidelius Charm.’

From what Dumbledore said in chapter 25 of HBP it was Snape, who realised the danger, betrayed Voldemort and warned Dumbledore.

[Selmo]

Originally Posted by Gigglepoo

Something that has always been bothering me: how come Mr. Weasley avoids real punishment in CoS when the Ford Angelica is discovered? Shouldn't he have been fired? I mean, it's one thing for normal wizards to jinx objects, but the head the of the office against such practices? He's lucky he kept his job.

I assume that Arthur Weasley avoided punishment because whoever was doing the inquiry into the flying car affair owed him a favour.

We read later that the Weasleys aquired World Cup tickets because Arthur did a favour for someone else by making charges for an offence go away.

It's the way the Ministry works.
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