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Re: Is Dumbledore Dead or Alive? v.10
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(In fact, I believe he DID choose to die, in the precise manner in which he appears to have died, for precisely this reason).
I totally agree

Chosing to die is a much better end to such a great wizard, then dying at the hands of Voldemort


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I agree that Dumbledore is dead. At this point in the story, he has served the purpose of showing Harry with what his going to have to do to defeat Voldemort, and that is find and destroy the Horcruxes before finally facing Voldy himself. As we all know, Dumbledore did not give Harry all the answers as to where the rest of the horcruxes are and how to destroy them. His death searves as a final motivating factor to put an end to Voldemort once and for all. Harry needs to do that on his his own way with his friends and not with the guidence of the old, wise, and powerful mentor. At this point, Harry is not strong enough to defeat Voldemort. The trials that he has to face will be like the forging fires for a sword. They will temper his mind and soul giving him the strenght to face his greatest challenge, the confrontation with Voldemort.
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I totally agree

Chosing to die is a much better end to such a great wizard, then dying at the hands of Voldemort
I agree.

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I agree that Dumbledore is dead. At this point in the story, he has served the purpose of showing Harry with what his going to have to do to defeat Voldemort, and that is find and destroy the Horcruxes before finally facing Voldy himself. As we all know, Dumbledore did not give Harry all the answers as to where the rest of the horcruxes are and how to destroy them. His death searves as a final motivating factor to put an end to Voldemort once and for all. Harry needs to do that on his his own way with his friends and not with the guidence of the old, wise, and powerful mentor. At this point, Harry is not strong enough to defeat Voldemort. The trials that he has to face will be like the forging fires for a sword. They will temper his mind and soul giving him the strenght to face his greatest challenge, the confrontation with Voldemort.
Exactly! Gosh, where were you when I needed you?


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I agree that Dumbledore is dead. At this point in the story, he has served the purpose of showing Harry with what his going to have to do to defeat Voldemort, and that is find and destroy the Horcruxes before finally facing Voldy himself. As we all know, Dumbledore did not give Harry all the answers as to where the rest of the horcruxes are and how to destroy them. His death searves as a final motivating factor to put an end to Voldemort once and for all. Harry needs to do that on his his own way with his friends and not with the guidence of the old, wise, and powerful mentor. At this point, Harry is not strong enough to defeat Voldemort. The trials that he has to face will be like the forging fires for a sword. They will temper his mind and soul giving him the strenght to face his greatest challenge, the confrontation with Voldemort.
I totaly agree. ^_^
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I agree that Dumbledore is dead. At this point in the story, he has served the purpose of showing Harry with what his going to have to do to defeat Voldemort, and that is find and destroy the Horcruxes before finally facing Voldy himself. As we all know, Dumbledore did not give Harry all the answers as to where the rest of the horcruxes are and how to destroy them. His death searves as a final motivating factor to put an end to Voldemort once and for all. Harry needs to do that on his his own way with his friends and not with the guidence of the old, wise, and powerful mentor. At this point, Harry is not strong enough to defeat Voldemort. The trials that he has to face will be like the forging fires for a sword. They will temper his mind and soul giving him the strenght to face his greatest challenge, the confrontation with Voldemort.
Great theory. But Harry will use love to destroy Lord Voldemort, he will not defeat him with spells, but with love.


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I agree that Dumbledore is dead. At this point in the story, he has served the purpose of showing Harry with what his going to have to do to defeat Voldemort, and that is find and destroy the Horcruxes before finally facing Voldy himself. As we all know, Dumbledore did not give Harry all the answers as to where the rest of the horcruxes are and how to destroy them. His death searves as a final motivating factor to put an end to Voldemort once and for all. Harry needs to do that on his his own way with his friends and not with the guidence of the old, wise, and powerful mentor. At this point, Harry is not strong enough to defeat Voldemort. The trials that he has to face will be like the forging fires for a sword. They will temper his mind and soul giving him the strenght to face his greatest challenge, the confrontation with Voldemort.
I REALLY want to agree with this, but if Dumbledore isn't dead, why the weird-behaving Avada Kedavra?
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Great theory. But Harry will use love to destroy Lord Voldemort, he will not defeat him with spells, but with love.
I'm not sure what you mean by he will defeat him with love?

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I REALLY want to agree with this, but if Dumbledore isn't dead, why the weird-behaving Avada Kedavra?
But we don't know if it did behave stragely.
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Great theory. But Harry will use love to destroy Lord Voldemort, he will not defeat him with spells, but with love.
MRWHITE213 said nothing about Harry using spells to destroy Voldemort. I agree that love will be the key for Harry defeating Voldemort; why else did Dumbledore keep reiterating it and why else was it in the prophecy?


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Maby it's becouse Snape didn't really wanted to kill Dumbledore, and bellatrix says in the Ootp that you really have to want it, and that's why the curse doesn't works properly.


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I REALLY want to agree with this, but if Dumbledore isn't dead, why the weird-behaving Avada Kedavra?
Why kill Dumbledore just to bring him back later? Either way it will be Harry leading the fight with the help of his friends in the Order and Ron and Hermione.


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Oh goody, someone to agree with! Can you explain your views though?

Well, it would be so stupid for the plot if he comes back. It would make such a scene that it would seem he's the 'star' of the last two books, not Harry. If he dies, he dies. If any more miracles happen everything would seem cheesy and there would be no tragedy before a victory.


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I'm not sure what you mean by he will defeat him with love?
He won't yell something like "love shield!"
But ultimatily the power that Voldemort underestemated most, will destroy him.
Remember, there is a locked room in the ministry of magic that contains love. Maby the last battle will take place there.


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I agree.



Exactly! Gosh, where were you when I needed you?
Hey, better late than never .

Yes, Harry's ability to love and Voldemort lack of that is what Dumbledore continually states will ultimately defeat him. Now how that comes into play, I honestly don't know, hence why we all are going out of our minds waiting for book 7 ! Seriously though, Harry still needs to be strong enough in soul, mind, and body to defeat Voldemort, even with love. That is why these trials are needed and that is why I believe Dumbledore is dead. During these trials, Harry is going to strugle and falter, but working through them without "the only man Voldemort feared" will make Harry that much stronger.
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But we don't know if it did behave stragely.
Yes, we do . . . either way you look at it, he was blasted into the air by the spell, something that never happened before. If you look at all the other ways that people have died at the hands of that curse, you'll see that they weren't blasted violently into the air before falling down, dead.
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Yes, we do . . . either way you look at it, he was blasted into the air by the spell, something that never happened before. If you look at all the other ways that people have died at the hands of that curse, you'll see that they weren't blasted violently into the air before falling down, dead.
That can be easily argued because we never saw someone perform an Avada Kedavra when they were that emotional. We have proof that the more emotional you are, the stronger the spell/curse. I still don't think you have to hate the victim to perform a successful Avada Kedavra though. When Voldemort, Peter, or Bellatrix used the Avada Kedavra they seemed to be either in fear (Peter and Bella) or indifferent (Voldemort) to the victim.

*Harry blasted the Death Eater with the Impedimenta Jinx and we know that is not what that jinx usually does.


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I have to start visiting this thread more. I've missed all that.
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I have to start visiting this thread more. I've missed all that.
Don't worry about it, because we even debate how emotion effects the power of a spell too!

Numenorian reminded me I have to protect my theory. "LOVE SHEILD!"


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I think Dumbledore is dead and Snape killed him and it sucks...yup.


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He won't yell something like "love shield!"
But ultimatily the power that Voldemort underestemated most, will destroy him.
Remember, there is a locked room in the ministry of magic that contains love. Maby the last battle will take place there.
Well I sure hope you're right because I think I would die if it was something like this
Harry: I love you Voldy
Voldy: NOOOOO!!!!

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That can be easily argued because we never saw someone perform an Avada Kedavra when they were that emotional. We have proof that the more emotional you are, the stronger the spell/curse. I still don't think you have to hate the victim to perform a successful Avada Kedavra though. When Voldemort, Peter, or Bellatrix used the Avada Kedavra they seemed to be either in fear (Peter and Bella) or indifferent (Voldemort) to the victim.

*Harry blasted the Death Eater with the Impedimenta Jinx and we know that is not what that jinx usually does.
I agree, I mean when Voldy killed lily and James, Hagrid said that the house was destroyed but Voldy only used the Avada Kedavra so maybe the more powerful magic you put into it the stronger the curse
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Dumbeldore is dead for sure. The evidence:

1. The freezing charm and Harry suddenly stopped.
2. His portrait appeared in the headmasters office
3. They found his body. Enough said.
 
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