Was it foreshadowing when Dumbledore said "I would trust Hagrid with my life."?

[gyllyweed]

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In the Philosphers/Sorcerers' Stone, Chapter 1, Page 14, Dumbledore tells Professor McGonagall "I would trust Hagrid with my life." This is a powerful statement for a characters' introduction. So I have wondered for a long time if J.K. Rowling was forshadowing something.


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Let's discuss ( 1.) the possibility that this quote might be foreshadowing in some way. We know Dumbledore is dead and aint coming back, but if Dumbledore would trust his life to Hagrid, ( 2.)what else might he entrust Hagrid with? Why would it/could it be import?

[Picko]

The reprieve referred to a character she had planned to kill in book seven but has since then decided their fate lies elsewhere. Therefore it refers to neither Dumbledore or Sirius who are both well and truly dead.

[draconeedsahug]

Interesting. People who support the "Dumbledore is alive theory" have speculated that Dumbledore has a Horcrux and that Hagrid is the Secret Keeper for it. Personally I don't believe Dumbledore would EVER make a Horcrux and it is an insult to his memory to suggest so. But anyway... good theory

[siriusroxx]

Jo has confirmed that Dumbledore is definately dead. i think we can safely assume that Jo would not lie to her fans about the death of a beloved character.

[gyllyweed]

A horcrux wasn't part of the theory. I too believe that Dumbledore would never do that.

I did not know that JKR said that Dumbledore is dead, thank you Siriusroxx.

The thoery was merely exploring the possibility that Hagrid is gaurding Dumbledores life in some way. My "Fawkes" theory is only a possible explination for how this could be done.

We do know that there is more than a body and a soul that can exist of a person. Look at ghosts, a copy of there previus selves. There are also echos of a person (what came out of Voldemorts wand). What if Fawkes carried something like this out of the tomb?

JKR has set all sorts of clues in the books for us. Why did she mention Dumbledores extreme trust of Hagrid? And if this is forshadowing, what other possibilities than my "Fawkes" theory could there be? What would other fans find in the pages of JKRs' mind? Also, what arguments from the book would a reader have to believe that it is not forshadowing?

I myself have my own argument for the "Fawkes" theory. It is: why prepare Harry for taking Voldemort on by himself (telling him what to do) if Dumbledore would be back?

Any other theories, arguments? pros and cons?

[MHPFAN]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

We do know that there is more than a body and a soul that can exist of a person. Look at ghosts, a copy of there previus selves. There are also echos of a person (what came out of Voldemorts wand). What if Fawkes carried something like this out of the tomb?

My only problem with this is, what if there is a spell that needs to be performed when leaving an imprint (i.e. ghosts) of themselves? From what we know, which isn't much, from Nearly Headless Nick, is that unfinished business might be what enables someone to stay on as a ghost, though he wouldn't clarify for Harry in OOTP.

JKR has set all sorts of clues in the books for us. Why did she mention Dumbledores extreme trust of Hagrid?

This could mean that Hagrid has Dumbledore's complete trust when it comes to anything that Dumbledore might reveal to Hagrid. Maybe Hagrid knows many things that could help Harry in the hunt. Maybe Dumbledore revealed to Hagrid the reason for Snape's elusive remorse. It might not mean, necessarily, his life per se.

[SeverusLovesUs]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

Are there any clues that might suggest another possibility for the forshadowing? What other general theories are there regarding the possibility that Dumbledore has entrusted Hagrid with his life.

I'm not sure if I can support that idea or not but it did remind me that is was Hagrid who carried "what Harry knew to be Dumbledore's body" during his funeral. Hagrid placed him at his final resting place. If your theory with Fawkes and Dumbledore and Hagrid has any merit, I think that this ties in nicely with it.

[RinkyDink]

I don't believe it's forshadowing, I think that it is just showing Hagrid's loyality to Dumbledore which we see often in the book. By him saying that he is letting us know at the very beginning of the book that Hagrid is someone who is trustworthy and loyal since we haven't met him yet.

[Firebolt_Rider]

Originally Posted by RinkyDink

I don't believe it's forshadowing, I think that it is just showing Hagrid's loyality to Dumbledore which we see often in the book. By him saying that he is letting us know at the very beginning of the book that Hagrid is someone who is trustworthy and loyal since we haven't met him yet.

Exactly. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[PotterSnicket]

This is JKR we're talking about, this sort of stuff should be expected.

[Yoana]

Originally Posted by RinkyDink

I don't believe it's forshadowing, I think that it is just showing Hagrid's loyality to Dumbledore which we see often in the book. By him saying that he is letting us know at the very beginning of the book that Hagrid is someone who is trustworthy and loyal since we haven't met him yet.

My thoughts precisely!

[hpscigurl]

I don't think that it's foreshadowing but a way to show how trusting Dumbledore is. We know that he sees the best in people and that was a good way of showing it.

[gyllyweed]

Good point(s). It would be a ggod way to show faith in Hagrid.

SeverusLovesUs could have a good theory going to.

Ok, so let's say this foreshadowing was not Dumbledores' life "per se", are there any other theories in what exactly Dumbledore entrusted with Hagrid? Are there any clues that might suopport your theory?

[gyllyweed]

Originally Posted by MHPFAN

This could mean that Hagrid has Dumbledore's complete trust when it comes to anything that Dumbledore might reveal to Hagrid. Maybe Hagrid knows many things that could help Harry in the hunt. Maybe Dumbledore revealed to Hagrid the reason for Snape's elusive remorse. It might not mean, necessarily, his life per se.

I like this idea.

Perhaps the trust that JKR wants to show us in Hagrid will play into a scenario where Harry or another member of the Order, or the trio will have to trust Hagrid , even blindly perhaps.

Perhaps a scenario where JKR makes Hagrid look like a bad guy, but, this is a clue to us that he is really good. Maybe Harry will trust Hagrid though he shouldn't logically, but we will know Harry is right, even if the other clues JKR gives us might make us think otherwise.

[Nellas]

I know it sound a little far-fetched, but this could be a sign for the reader to trust Snape (just follow my thoughts for a bit), as I have said before, there are a mayor parallel between Hagrid and Snape in the fact that no one understands why Dumbledore trust them, and that’s why when Dumbledore says something about one of them, regarding trust, he might as well have been talking of the other.
Or maybe I’m just looking for signs of Snape’s goodness in the wrong places… what do you think????

[mugglesrock]

In my opinion it would have been 100% foreshadowing if Dumbledore had said "I would trust Snape with my life!" but I don't know about Hagrid. Maybe DD meant Hagrid was very trustworthy (except the many times he slips up something to the trio ) and he knows something more about Voldemort, the Potters in general?

Originally Posted by Nellas

I know it sound a little far-fetched, but this could be a sign for the reader to trust Snape (just follow my thoughts for a bit), as I have said before, there are a mayor parallel between Hagrid and Snape in the fact that no one understands (initially) why DD trust them, and that’s why when DD says something about one of them, regarding trust, he might as well have been talking of the other.
Or maybe I’m just looking for signs of Snape’s goodness in the wrong places… what do you think????

It's not impossible Jo had this unique way of using words, they could mean anything.

[freelantzer]

Originally Posted by SeverusLovesUs

I'm not sure if I can support that idea or not but it did remind me that is was Hagrid who carried "what Harry knew to be Dumbledore's body" during his funeral. Hagrid placed him at his final resting place. If your theory with Fawkes and Dumbledore and Hagrid has any merit, I think that this ties in nicely with it.

When I read that scene, I totally flashed back to Dumbledore saying that he would trust Hagrid with his life. Of course, JK has since then confirmed DD's death, so . . . But it is interesting to speculate on what else DD might have trusted Hagrid with. I'm not sure he knows why DD trusted Snape. Let's face it, Hagrid is terrible at keeping a secret, so perhaps it's not information that he's been trusted with but maybe some item of value that would help Harry in his quest.

[confutatis]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

When I read that scene, I totally flashed back to Dumbledore saying that he would trust Hagrid with his life. Of course, JK has since then confirmed DD's death, so . . . But it is interesting to speculate on what else DD might have trusted Hagrid with. I'm not sure he knows why DD trusted Snape. Let's face it, Hagrid is terrible at keeping a secret, so perhaps it's not information that he's been trusted with but maybe some item of value that would help Harry in his quest.

Ditto, freelantzer. You know, that scene would have made much more sense if JKR had not told us Dumbledore is definitely dead. Too many strange things happened at the funeral - and before. I'm remembering Fawk's long lament, the flash, the 'maybe' phoenix flying away, never actually seeing DD's body at the funeral, his strange death, etc. I also thought that 'I would trust Hagrid with my life' held more portent than has been given it by most of us.

[Nellas]

You know, that scene would have made much more sense if JKR had not told us Dumbledore is definitely dead

I was devastated when I read about DDs death, nut even more so when it came to the funereal, it was just too much with all of the emotions- but the worst thing about the death of the great Dumbledore was when JKR announced that he was definitely dead. Before that, I was convinced beyond anything that he was not dead and he would return in 7, but now all hope is lost, and the world will fall into shadow and despair.( A little melodramatic, I know!) My only last hope is that Harry will talk to DDs portrait and we will meet the good old DD again.

[petrifiedme12]

Was it foreshadowing when Dumbledore said "I would trust Hagrid with my life?" Not really because Dumbledore is dead and Hagrid didn't really have much with Dumbledore dying.