Was it foreshadowing when Dumbledore said "I would trust Hagrid with my life."?

[Schlubalybub]

I don't know about this theory...I think that the Phoenix rising with the smoke was Dumbledore's soul. After all, nobody else mentioned this either during or after the funeral, and it was Harry's first ever funeral, both magical or muggle, so perhaps that is what happens in a Magical funeral. Perhaps your soul takes the same form as your Patronus (I think Dumbledore's Patronus was a Phoenix, it looked like that in GoF), and perhaps your soul escapes from your body in that form when you are buried, or encased as in Dumbledore's case

[gyllyweed]

Originally Posted by freelantzer

But it is interesting to speculate on what else DD might have trusted Hagrid with. I'm not sure he knows why DD trusted Snape. Let's face it, Hagrid is terrible at keeping a secret, so perhaps it's not information that he's been trusted with but maybe some item of value that would help Harry in his quest.

What if Dumbledore entrusted Hagrid with something, a clue, or something he would look over, or think unimportant? Hagrid couldn't reveal something if he doesn't know he knows it. Harry could be lead to it, and recognize it. Or more likley, Hermione will recognize it.

[SiriusBlack24]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

Theory: What if Dumbledore is tied to Fawkes in the same way that Voldemort and Nagini are tied.

Dumbledore suspected that Nagini is a horcrux. I don't see how or why Dumbledore would have a horcrux. He was not afraid of death and would definatly not have split his soul.

I'm not sure if you were suggesting that Dumbledore made a horcrux out of Fawkes or not, but if you were, theres my answer to it.

I think that Fawkes was just an extremely loyal pet to Dumbledore.

[WelshGreen]

I certainly think we can expect some foreshadowing from Dumbledore's statements!!! That's been poppiing up in my head lately. Whether it has to do with the phoenix rebirth, or something hidden in the cave found for Grawp, or whatever, I think we'll have cause to recognize the significance when the action takes place!

[yomilly]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

Theory: What if Dumbledore is tied to Fawkes in the same way that Voldemort and Nagini are tied.

This would not be possible because this would mean that Dumbledore created a horcrux in Fawks and i can not see that happening.

[storyteller]

Originally Posted by SiriusBlack24

I think that Fawkes was just an extremely loyal pet to Dumbledore.

Here's my answer to that . Faulks was more of a companion than a pet.

I think it may be foreshadowing when taken with the fact that Dumbledore says "I trust Serius Snape" Notice part of it missing? He did not say with his life. Now that does not mean that Snape is bad, just that Dumbledore saw the potential for him to turn.

I also think is is alluding to the fact that Dumbledore trusted Hagrid with Harry's life, at GH, and that Harry should turn to Hagrid if he is in trouble. Also we know he has to go back to GH and he does not know where it is. I wonder who is going to let that information slip?

[gyllyweed]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

Theory: What if Dumbledore is tied to Fawkes in the same way that Voldemort and Nagini are tied.

Originally Posted by SiriusBlack24

Dumbledore suspected that Nagini is a horcrux. I don't see how or why Dumbledore would have a horcrux. He was not afraid of death and would definatly not have split his soul.

I'm not sure if you were suggesting that Dumbledore made a horcrux out of Fawkes or not, but if you were, theres my answer to it.

I think that Fawkes was just an extremely loyal pet to Dumbledore.

I ammend my afore mentioned statement. I did not mean to say that I thought Fawkes a hx.

Vol. and Nagini are tied/linked in some way/to some extent. Vol. has an affinity for snakes. Vol. can see through Nagini. What if Dum. has some kind of conection with/to Fawkes. If Fawkes can come to the aid of someone who is loyal to Dum, perhaps Fawkes himself if extremely to Dum. Maybe would entrust Fawkes with something. And entrust Hagrid with Fawkes (not that I think Fawkes needs to be entrusted to anyone, its just a theory).

[Nellas]

Originally Posted by gyllyweed

Vol. and Nagini are tied/linked in some way/to some extent. Vol. has an affinity for snakes. Vol. can see through Nagini.

Not to be repeating the others, but the reason LV can see through Nagini's eyes is that she is a hx, and he chose her (not out of love or trust) for the fact that he can speak parsletounge and she is a snake, thats all it is.

As to DD and Fawkes beeing somehow linked after his death- I really don't see it. I know They were more that just master and pet (Like LV and Nagini) they were friends, but I still believe that the only way for Harry to talk to DD now is the portrait. I do however think that Fawkes will have a part in the downfall of LV, Harry has needed the help before and gotten it- and he is still Dumbledore's man though and through.

[Eric_Cartman]

It's interesting that Dumbledore seemed to have more trust in Hagrid than ANYONE else, including McGonagall. There's a good chance that he knows something important, perhaps regarding how DD destroyed the ring Horcrux. We know that Snape knew what happened, but Harry is hardly gonna get the information from him, is he?

Also, for DD to say 'I would trust Hagrid with my life' all those years ago suggests that Hagrid had done something prior to that to prove his worth and loyalty. This could be related to the Potters. It could turn out to be CRUCIAL to the overall plot. I would like it if Hagrid had a memory from when he was at school (with Tom Riddle and Minerva McGonagall, no less, even though they were a few years above him) that turned out to be important.

[gyllyweed]

Ok, I have been wondering why only the 1st yrs enter the school over the Black Lake. Is there a spell of some kind that is cast over them when they go over it? What if it is connevted to a founder? What if one of their possessions is located in the lake? If this would be the case, would Hagrid know something of this? Could he have been entrusted with some vital info about it?

[Ravenwood]

Originally Posted by Nellas

I know it sound a little far-fetched, but this could be a sign for the reader to trust Snape (just follow my thoughts for a bit), as I have said before, there are a mayor parallel between Hagrid and Snape in the fact that no one understands why Dumbledore trust them, and that’s why when Dumbledore says something about one of them, regarding trust, he might as well have been talking of the other.
Or maybe I’m just looking for signs of Snape’s goodness in the wrong places… what do you think????

I'm the last person you'll see looking for signs of Snape being good because right now I'm still convinced he's bad (perhaps not Death Eater bad, but bad, nonetheless). However, I felt like Dumbledore's message about trusting Hagrid is related to his trust of Snape.

I feel like this statement of Dumbledore's was meant to tell us that he has justification in trusting whomever he decides to trust. Hagrid has not betrayed that trust and we have no reason to think he will. So when Dumbledore says he trusts Snape, perhaps we're meant to understand that as a message that Snape is not the evil, murdering git we've been asked to believe.

[62442al_Man]

No, it was merely a saying. Jo later brought in Horcruxes and Secret Keepers, or atleast their explanations, so she probably never thought people would make that connection. I've heard this type of 'theory' other places. I don't think so, not at all. We can't always assume that everyone is a Secret Keeper or they have a Horcrux. Hagrid just isn't one of those people, plus he can barely do a water spell...he isn't the most magical, as far as wizarding skills, person. And Hagrid would rather die than reveal any information that would lead to the Death of Albus. People can't insult him and get away with it, let alone pester or torture information out of him that would lead to Dumbledore's death. No way.

[King_Sirius]

I kinda hope so, though it could just have been forshadowing COS where Hagrid is accused of re-opening the Chamber of Secrets.. but it would be nice if it was, i mean we all want to see Hagrid shine at some point..

[galleon]

I must say when I read "The Lightning Struck Tower" that was the first line, even though it was said all the way back in book 1, that immediately popped into my head.

Once Hagrid carried DD down the aisle, that was it for me.

I think Hagrid knows something or DD gave Hagrid info or objects for Harry.

[AnneBonny]

It does make sense for it to be a parallel with Snape.
Both characters are mistrusted by others for various reasons. Both are trusted implicitly by Dumbledore for reasons we are not aware of. We don't really question why Dumbledore trusts Hagrid so much because he was introduced to us as a wholesome big-hearted (if you'll excuse the pun) lovable kind of person who wouldn't hurt a fly. But certainly people didn't take that view of him when he was accused of opening the Chamber of Secrets back in his student days. So did something have to happen to make Dumbledore realize the overall character of Hagrid?

Whether you are of the Snape is Evil camp or the Snape is Good camp, this could work either way. For the Good people, we could see this as Dumbledore trusting people even when the rest of the world does not- and Dumbledore wins in the end in terms of his correct character judgement. For the Evil camp, we may be drawing a parallel in situation so we see how Dumbledore "always" believes the best of people- but even he can make mistakes, and this could be his "big" one (as foreshadowed by his comment to Harry that his mistakes tend to be bigger than normal peoples'.)

[hgrwfan]

I am desperately keeping hope alive that DD is not really dead and he will be reborn from his ashes like Fawkes does. Anyway I don't think it is foreshadowing. I think it was merely a fact. DD trusts Hagrid implicitly. Though you can't tell Hagrid anything because he certainly can't keep a secret. I digress.

[AnneBonny]

Originally Posted by hgrwfan

I am desperately keeping hope alive that DD is not really dead and he will be reborn from his ashes like Fawkes does.

Unfortunately, JK Rowling revealed in an interview that Dumbledore is in fact really dead.

I was sad to learn of it too, but it does make sense- it's absolutely vital for Harry's character to have all of the people standing between him and Voldemort removed. This is mentioned in the end of HBP.

[gyllyweed]

I found something else that makes me wonder if Hagrid does know something.

SS/PS Ch. 4 pg. 50: "You never told him? Never told him what was in the letter Dumbledore left fer him?"

Ok, I know what the letter probably contained was all that DD later told him? And yes, I know its a kinda wild theory, but what I am saying is : What if there is something in the letter that Harry has forgotten, or DD never had the chance to tell Harry (although I think the latter less likley)?

Just an idea.

[PadfootBaby]

Well, Dumbledore is well and truly dead, and I think it's an insult to his memory to believe he made a Horcrux, but the idea in itself is good. It very well might've been foreshadowing of some kind... I like your idea, gyllyweed. I have a feeling in Book 7 we're going to be able to finally see what exactly was in that letter. And since Hagrid brought Harry to the Dursleys from Godric's Hollow himself, wouldn't that indicate he knows something...?

"I would trust Hagrid with my life." That is an interesting statement to make at the very beginning of everything, before we even get to know Hagrid. Maybe in 7 we'll also get to see just what Hagrid did for Dumbledore that made him trust him that much. That's a big thing to say, for a series like this.

But hey, she does seem to work tiny details like that into the plot. Why not this? That's a very good idea, I've never thought about that quote like that before... Nice job!

[Eric_Cartman]

Yeah, I believe Petunia will give Harry the letter and it will contain the last piece of information that Harry needs from Dumbledore.