Ron and Hermione - Where to from here? v5

[MadMagic]

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Version 4

Please remember that this isn't a thread for discussing shipping -- it's for hypothesising about Ron and Hermione's relationship ... or lack thereof.

Here are the last few posts from the previous version.

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Originally Posted by ronjalina Yes. The text itsself is not 100% clear on the order of events, but the above mentioned is the only one that makes sense. And according to that list, the wedding would be the latest point in time for their getting together without "scraping the bottom of the barrell". That would indeed make only bad writing because it would become implausible. Ron and Hermione getting interrupted for sometime before they can confess their feelings is something I could imagine. But even that is something JKR can´t use forever. My vote today is.....okay the Dursleys. It´s so to say the compromise between the train ride home and the wedding. But I definately expect something romantic to happen at the wedding. I mean between Ron and Hermione, for Bill and Fleur it will be romantic anyway. You are absolutely right. We want to see it. Otherwise most of us would feel let down, or at least I would feel let down somehow. I´m still harbouring a little hope she can work in a (part-)chapter from Ron´s and/or Hermione´s point of view. Exactly, that´s what it is about. It has to be believable. To me it would not be believable after what happened in HBP if they got together at the end for example. It has to be as early as possible. The wedding is a very good possibility, of course. That depends on when the wedding takes place. Originally Posted by ViKeDaine I agree. HBP was a turning point for them on a maturity level. The both of them are quite ready to take that final step over the friends/more line. They just have to find a space to do it in. Though a just before the Final Battle "I want you to know before we go" scene would be cute, it wouldn't be believable. Ron and Hermione are chomping at the bit to confess their feelings. Originally Posted by potterposse I honestly can not wait for the wedding...so many predictions on whats to happen. They might or might not get together during the wedding, but I kind of hope they do. Heck, I have so many theories of what will happen during the wedding with Ron/Hermione I could write a story on the wedding alone. --I might just do that ---I'm so impaitient, waiting for book seven is killing me! It would be cute, but yeah, you're right. I would be sort of cheesy, it would be to Holywoodish if that happened I want it to happen earlier, but i could sort of see it happening at the end. I have way to many R/Hr theories in my head. I'm writing a fanfiction where they confess thier love at the end. Originally Posted by RWeasleysgirl Yeah, like I said, I think it might be at the wedding now, I was thinking that was the first thing they planned to do for some reason and it just seemed a little too early on in the book. But now that my head's reset itself I can definitely see that, even at the Dursleys maybe, depending on how long they stay there. Originally Posted by meesha1971 I like how she's done it though. Thus far, they have both reacted in a believable, realistic manner. We have to remember that they are teenagers. On top of that, they haven't really had a chance to be normal because they're always helping Harry. But she's reached the point where she can't drag it out much longer. At this point, she could drag it out with a series of interruptions - not being able to get privacy, etc... But that can only go so far - I really don't think she could pull that off beyond the wedding. The train ride is an option because they will be sharing a compartment and Ron and Hermione do have a tendency to get caught up in the moment and forget they have an audience. However, the issue with that would be Harry sticking around for that. That won't be a classroom where he has no choice - glued to his seat in shock will only go so far. Tricky - but I think Jo could pull it off. It could happen at the Dursleys. We don't know exactly how Jo will handle that situation - if they'll have to share Harry's room or if the Dursleys will actually show some measure of hospitality and give Hermione the spare room. There could be a moment there. That's similar to the train though - it will be tricky to have Harry stick around during a private moment. Another is the constant interruption/lack of privacy idea. I like this one because it would add to the tension and it removes the problem of Harry coming across as a voyeur. They're both ready to admit it but can't find a time to do so - ultimately resulting in both of them snapping at the wedding and revealing their feelings in front of everyone. Originally Posted by ViKeDaine This is one of my favorites. So many wonderful options can arise. First Ron trying to confess to Hermione, then Hermione invoking one of her round about conversations. "You were trying to tell me something earlier, Ron." It'll be less a case of fear of rejection as it will be a need to not come out and say it in front of everyone. With Ron and Hermione's tempers, though, the wedding confession could be a real blow up. Originally Posted by RWeasleysgirl I wonder how Fleur would react if it happened at the wedding. Not that she'd care about Ron and Hermione getting together, but everyone is supposed to be paying attention to her! But anyways, I think it would be kind of easy for a genius like Jo to figure out an excuse for Harry to be present. Originally Posted by ViKeDaine I agree that it's easy to figure out a way in which Harry could be there. Hey, I'm an amateur author, and I can think of about a hundred situations that skirt on the edges of possible. But that's not the idea - to find something that just works. It's to find something we can believe. Harry eavesdropping outside the door wouldn't work, as we know that when Ron and Hermione get into "I'm about to tell you how I feel about you" mode, he's extremely uncomfortable. We know that, while Hermione and Ron often get caught up in the moment, a discussion about something personal that would eventually lead to them confessing their feelings is unlikely to occur in a small group of teenagers, with everyone hanging on their every word. So Jo's seriously got her work cut out for her. She's got to make Ron and Hermione's resolution believable, but she's got to make it public, so as to not disappoint her fans or, more importantly, herself.

[RWeasleysgirl]

I didn't mean listening at the door. I'm sure there's something that can happen, whether there's a reason they can't leave the room or something. I'm not sure if Ron and Hermione would be too worried about Harry overhearing, of course they'd rather it be private, but they may not have a choice. Particularly if he's like, reading a book, or doing something that requires his attention, but when he hears them talking, despite his discomfort he wouldn't really be able to drown them out. And honestly, I don't think he'd be able to help being a little bit interested.

[sparkly]

I think the train is the most likely place for Ron and Hermione to finally acknowledge their feelings for each other. Three reasons:

1) when last we saw our favorite couple, they had just completed a tender embrace. Ron asks Hermione for permission to hit his brother Percy. Hermione talks to Harry using "we" - she's speaking for both her and Ron. They're as much a couple as could be, except for the actual declaration and kiss(es). JKR doesn't need to build them up to the point they're ready to admit they fancy each other - they're right on the brink.

2) The train is the easiest place to have a public declaration that so Harry can witness it. We need Harry to be there because the book is written from his perspective. The train location avoids the awkward switch in perspectives that would otherwise be required.

3) I'm tired of waiting!

[potterposse]

I didn't mean listening at the door. I'm sure there's something that can happen, whether there's a reason they can't leave the room or something. I'm not sure if Ron and Hermione would be too worried about Harry overhearing, of course they'd rather it be private, but they may not have a choice. Particularly if he's like, reading a book, or doing something that requires his attention, but when he hears them talking, despite his discomfort he wouldn't really be able to drown them out. And honestly, I don't think he'd be able to help being a little bit interested.

Well, he wasnt able to drown them out last time in HBP when they were talking in Herbology, I doubt he could drown them out this time. Odds are that Ron and Hermione will drown Harry out like (again) the way they did in Herbology in HBP. But this is only if it happened in public....I would personally like to see it be private.I wouldn't mind reading a few pages on Ron/Hermione. Then again, public would be sort of interesting.
hmmmmm........

3) I'm tired of waiting!

I said this in my last post. I'M TIRED OF WAITING TOO!!!

1) when last we saw our favorite couple, they had just completed a tender embrace. Ron asks Hermione for permission to hit his brother Percy. Hermione talks to Harry using "we" - she's speaking for both her and Ron. They're as much a couple as could be, except for the actual declaration and kiss(es). JKR doesn't need to build them up to the point they're ready to admit they fancy each other - they're right on the brink.

exactly...I just want to hear them say "I love you" to each other...(kiss)...and I'm complete!

---I need a life.

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by sparkly

I think the train is the most likely place for Ron and Hermione to finally acknowledge their feelings for each other. Three reasons:

1) when last we saw our favorite couple, they had just completed a tender embrace. Ron asks Hermione for permission to hit his brother Percy. Hermione talks to Harry using "we" - she's speaking for both her and Ron. They're as much a couple as could be, except for the actual declaration and kiss(es). JKR doesn't need to build them up to the point they're ready to admit they fancy each other - they're right on the brink.

I agree with this. They are both ready to admit their feelings for each other and everything that has happened and everything that is going on now gives them incentive - Ron nearly dying, Dumbledore dying, going on a dangerous mission with Harry, etc... At this point, it's merely a matter of getting a chance to do so.

2) The train is the easiest place to have a public declaration that so Harry can witness it. We need Harry to be there because the book is written from his perspective. The train location avoids the awkward switch in perspectives that would otherwise be required.

I love the idea of it happening on the train, but it would be tricky. We need Harry to be there so we can see it, but we don't want Harry to come across as a voyeur or anything like that. It has to be a situation where Harry cannot avoid overhearing - similar to the greenhouse scene in HBP. They were in class - he couldn't just leave.

The train presents a problem in that regard. Harry could - and most likely would - leave the compartment to give them privacy if they started talking about how they felt. The trick is to do it in a way to where the reveal occurs before Harry realizes what is going on and leaves them alone. It has to take Harry by surprise - not that they're admitting their feelings but that they're doing it right then.

One way around this is to have others share the compartment with them - I would say Ginny and possibly Neville and/or Luna. I think Ginny is significant and will definitely be there because I believe she will get the ball rolling. Jo still has to reveal that Ginny made an assumption about Hermione and Krum - the train is the perfect place for that conversation to occur.

And that's fitting because Ginny's assumption was what started the mess in HBP - and she isn't aware of that. Neither is Hermione for that matter. So I can see Ginny asking Hermione what happened between her and McLaggen and being surprised that Hermione didn't kiss him - saying something along the lines of "It's not like you've never snogged before" and Hermione getting offended and asking her what she means by that.

That leads to a conversation that involves all of them - because they all played a part in that mess. Hermione is going to be upset - understandably so - because Ginny made that assumption. She's also going to be upset with Harry for not telling her about it and with Ron for not coming to her. That allows Harry to stick around for the majority of this - because he's part of it.

The question is - how far will Jo take it on the train? At some point, Harry and the others will have to leave Ron and Hermione alone, but the above scenario presents the opportunity for them to admit their feelings in front of their friends and then be left alone afterwards.

On the other hand, this also presents a situation where a lot of information is revealed and lessons learned. They might need some time to process that - so we get part of the conversation on the train and a continuation a bit later after they've had time to think about everything.

3) I'm tired of waiting!

Me too! At the same time, I think that Ron and Hermione need to resolve the whole Krum/Lavender issue before they move on. Jo can have the bulk of that occur off page, but there needs to be some on page indication that it has occurred. The train presents a good scenario for that.

That's why I like the interruption/lack of privacy idea. Everything begins on the train with the truth being revealed - Ron and Hermione take some time to process all that and realize the mistakes that they made. At the Dursleys, they try to talk to each other but never get to finish a conversation because they keep getting interrupted - resolving the issue, but not allowing them a chance to reveal how they feel. By the time they get to the wedding, the tension will be at its peak and they can have a big romantic moment at the wedding.

There are a lot of ways that Jo could do this. But, unless she switches to Ron and/or Hermione's point of view, Harry has to witness it and that will be tricky because we don't want Harry to come across as a voyeur just so we can see Ron and Hermione's first kiss. Harry will have to be taken by surprise in order for it to work.

[potterposse]

The train presents a problem in that regard. Harry could - and most likely would - leave the compartment to give them privacy if they started talking about how they felt. The trick is to do it in a way to where the reveal occurs before Harry realizes what is going on and leaves them alone. It has to take Harry by surprise - not that they're admitting their feelings but that they're doing it right then.

Yeah, agree. The train would be tricky, but Harry could just leave like you said, giving them privacy. I dont know, the train would sort of be cool. I still think that the start of thier relationship will be at the wedding though, more romantic to me.

I love this smile

--I'm almost done with my fanfiction!

SECOND YEAR! YAY!!

[graceful_me]

I for one am all for the train, but then again, you all do pose the rather interesting problem of how we involve harry so the "big confession" actually makes it to the page.

Perhaps he gos off to use the bathroom or something and walks in on them??
But then meesha mentioned that at least ginny could possibly be there too.

Theres just so many possibilities. Clearly i'm not jo lol.

[RWeasleysgirl]

Maybe if they were on the train, something would be going on in the hallway so that Harry couldn't leave the compartment. *shrugs* Or maybe he just wouldn't get a chance to, like they're all sitting there, Harry thinking about Dumbledore, and all of a sudden one blurts out an "I love you!" And Harry sits there stunned and open-mouthed as one of his best friends confesses their undying love for the other, and the other cuts them off by grabbing them and pulling them into a passionate kiss. *shrugs* You never know. lol

[ViKeDaine]

We've followed this into v5! Is cool.

Originally Posted by RWeasleysgirl

I'm not sure if Ron and Hermione would be too worried about Harry overhearing, of course they'd rather it be private, but they may not have a choice. And honestly, I don't think he'd be able to help being a little bit interested.

Agreed. Harry's their best friend, so I think they would be more comfortable with his presence than with anyone else's. So they might not be so mortified at the idea of him being around when they're broaching this super personal subject.

While Harry will probably be interested in how the conversation between his two best mates is going, every time something romantic in the lives of the people close to him has cropped up ("Mollywobbles," the Greenhouse scene), it's made him rather uncomfortable. He's a teenage boy after all.

Originally Posted by sparkly

3) I'm tired of waiting!

Originally Posted by meesha1971

I agree with this. They are both ready to admit their feelings for each other and everything that has happened and everything that is going on now gives them incentive - Ron nearly dying, Dumbledore dying, going on a dangerous mission with Harry, etc... At this point, it's merely a matter of getting a chance to do so.

I agree. I've been toying with an idea in the back of my mind - that something significant will happen at all three places, the train, the Dursleys', the wedding. The Krum conversation needs to get out of the way first, so that would most likely happen on the train.

Next would be what you're saying, meesha, the interupted attempts at confessing their feelings. That scenario could occur several times, each time being interupted by something loud or important. Harry would be there for each time, of course.

Lastly would be the wedding, where there pent up frustrations and feelings simply pour out in a public confession, most likely brought on by one of their famous rows. Though a soft, sweet, "I love you" at the wedding would indeed be public, Harry wouldn't be close enough to hear.

[westgilg]

I was just thinking about krum and somehow i came whit the idea that he may actually be in the funeral. what do you guys think.

by the way this is my first time posting

[RWeasleysgirl]

Originally Posted by ViKeDaine

We've followed this into v5! Is cool.



Agreed. Harry's their best friend, so I think they would be more comfortable with his presence than with anyone else's. So they might not be so mortified at the idea of him being around when they're broaching this super personal subject.

While Harry will probably be interested in how the conversation between his two best mates is going, every time something romantic in the lives of the people close to him has cropped up ("Mollywobbles," the Greenhouse scene), it's made him rather uncomfortable. He's a teenage boy after all.

Lol, I know. What' I'm saying is that it would be one of those "I don't want to listen... but I have to..." It's like when someone tells you not to look at something or listen to it, because they know it will offend you or make you uncomfortable, but what do you do? You look, and listen.

[ViKeDaine]

We're glad to have you here on the thread, westgilg! Glad you chose to give us your first post.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, though. Are you talking about Dumbledore's funeral?

[graceful_me]

Originally Posted by ViKeDaine

Lastly would be the wedding, where there pent up frustrations and feelings simply pour out in a public confession, most likely brought on by one of their famous rows. Though a soft, sweet, "I love you" at the wedding would indeed be public, Harry wouldn't be close enough to hear.

Ah yes the infamous rows. It seems to fit them well actually. It would certainly make their relationship more believable (not that it wasn't already)

Fanfiction seems to love this route. Maybe Jo'll go for it too.

[RWeasleysgirl]

Yes, Welcome! Hope you like the thread!

[62442al_Man]

One thing I would like to bring up with book theorizers, such as ourselves. What is your opinion on the scenes, such as the Buckbeak paddock hug and back away type of thing in Prisoner of Azkaban, where Ron and Hermione show an overly-obvious sign of something more, whatever that may be, than friendship? Long sentence . I don't know, I don't necessarily consider the books canon, but did Jo step in and have the director add some comment or scene about their possible love in their futures?

Other than that, the scenes from Prisoner of Azkaban (I am back to talking about the canon book series again ) all the way until the funeral scene sold it for me. Jo has spent all this time bottling up their relationship, whatever we thought it to be. It was bulding up, and I think that bit is a tad obvious. But perhaps not. Anyways, she is going to follow up on this. It is impossible for her not to, she won't just ignore the signs. Not to mention how angry half the community of Potter reads would be if Ron doesn't reach his characterized climax and reach maturity -- and as Ginny explained to us, perhaps that means a steady girlfriend ...

[meesha1971]

Originally Posted by 62442al_Man

One thing I would like to bring up with book theorizers, such as ourselves. What is your opinion on the scenes, such as the Buckbeak paddock hug and back away type of thing in Prisoner of Azkaban, where Ron and Hermione show an overly-obvious sign of something more, whatever that may be, than friendship? Long sentence . I don't know, I don't necessarily consider the books canon, but did Jo step in and have the director add some comment or scene about their possible love in their futures?

Other than that, the scenes from Prisoner of Azkaban (I am back to talking about the canon book series again ) all the way until the funeral scene sold it for me. Jo has spent all this time bottling up their relationship, whatever we thought it to be. It was bulding up, and I think that bit is a tad obvious. But perhaps not. Anyways, she is going to follow up on this. It is impossible for her not to, she won't just ignore the signs. Not to mention how angry half the community of Potter reads would be if Ron doesn't reach his characterized climax and reach maturity -- and as Ginny explained to us, perhaps that means a steady girlfriend ...

I'm sure you meant "movies" and not books in that first paragraph.

This was actually addressed in an interview with Jo and Steve Kloves - either on the COS DVD or the POA DVD - I can't remember which. But Kloves acknowledged that he is in constant communication with Jo when writing the scripts for the movies. And Jo mentioned that Kloves had actually began giving obvious clues for the romance in the movies earlier than she did in the books with the "almost hug" in COS.

Jo said she's told Kloves more than anyone else so the clues in the movies would be right.

[The6thHorcrux]

But Kloves acknowledged that he is in constant communication with Jo when writing the scripts for the movies. And Jo mentioned that Kloves had actually began giving obvious clues for the romance in the movies earlier than she did in the books with the "almost hug" in COS.

Cite, please...

The CoS "Almost Hug" was Columbus' idea, last minute, from what I can gather- he told Watson to be so happy and emotional with Harry, then to stutter and wipe the smile off her face with Ron, explaining "that's where the tension is" when she asked him. Watson was pretty confused about it, and this was after she talked to Jo herself. I think Jo would have given her some insight into something like that beforehand, even if she fed her a line to protect the secret...

Likewise, several of the PoA clues were Curans idea, including Hermione's crying on Ron's shoulder- it wasn't specifically written in the script that she picked Ron for a shoulder to cry on.

It's been a while since I posted, but my rather controversial opinion is still standing- Ron and Hermione are far too conflicting a set of personalities to last. They'll fall apart sometime in book seven, or be on the brink of it when the book is over. We have 6 books of canon that say they can't resolve any issue without a war, and that makes for a very unhappy relationship- not to mention one that will end in flames.

I'm still waiting for Jo to say different on her site- she said to not trust anything not said on her page, and I don't see any of this on there. Co-incidentally, her not having a transcript of the Emerson interview on her page is why I don't trust it... I've had several people tell me Emerson took a lot of liberties with it when they defend it against my critique, but the fact remains- It's not on Jo's site, and she said to not trust anything that's not repeated on there.

On second thought, I take back my request for a cite.

[folly54]

Originally Posted by meesha1971

I'm sure you meant "movies" and not books in that first paragraph.

This was actually addressed in an interview with Jo and Steve Kloves - either on the COS DVD or the POA DVD - I can't remember which. But Kloves acknowledged that he is in constant communication with Jo when writing the scripts for the movies. And Jo mentioned that Kloves had actually began giving obvious clues for the romance in the movies earlier than she did in the books with the "almost hug" in COS.

Jo said she's told Kloves more than anyone else so the clues in the movies would be right.

It was the COS DVD and it was Columbus's idea for the almost hug. I heard Emma had a problem hugging any of the guys and I think she said on the GOF DVD that they had to use video technology to stretch out the COS hug with Dan because it was so short and Columbus decided on the handshake because their's more tension there.

[castel]

We have 6 books of canon that say they can't resolve any issue without a war, and that makes for a very unhappy relationship- not to mention one that will end in flames.

There is nothing worst for a couple than to avoid the fights.

A couple who never fights, it's couple who has very serious problems of communication.

And this kind of couple don't work for very long time.

And by the way, if there was anything false in the Rowling interview with Emerson, Rowling would have said it on her website.

[ronjalina]

Originally Posted by The6thHorcrux

Nothing wrong with fights- plenty wrong with that they can't resolve anything from them. They just fight.

That´s incorrect.

PoA: Ron and Hermione returned from Hogsmeade looking as if they had the time of their life.

PoA: Ron helps Hermione with the Buckbeak appeal

GoF: Ron and Hermione help in unison Harry to prepare for the TWT tasks

OotP: Ron and Hermione cooperate throughout the book to deal with CAPSLOCK-Harry.

Not to mention all the times throughout the books when Ron makes Hermione laugh or when Harry returns to the common room and finds Ron and Hermione doing homework, playing wizard chess et al.

They do fight but definately not all the time. Most of it is bickering. It´s their means of communication. In six years they had three fallouts, all of them related to UT, and they made up each time. This looks to me as if they are pretty much able to resolve their issues.

A lot of people seem to dislike the Ron and Hermione pairing because it doesn´t match their personal idea of a romantic relationship. And that is to respect. But we cannot interpret the text based on personal preferences. The point is: Our personal preferences are completely irrelevant when it comes to the pairing. JKR has written it that way. She obviously likes it.

Well, that´s basically all I will say to this point, because I´m pretty sure we are not allowed this kind of debate since it comes near to discuss shipping.