All about the prophecy: meaning, significance and wording

[WandaEvans]

Originally Posted by MarieNC

I hope someone can answer this question. If the prophecy was so dangerous, and Voldemort wanted it so badly, why didn't the Order just DESTROY IT? Why are they sitting there guarding a prophecy instead of just getting rid of it? Dumbledore already had a copy in his office, he already knew the full prophecy - what's the point of keeping the prophecy orb in the ministry?

Because the only people that could touch the prophecy (without going bonkers) were the ones that the prophecy was about.

And if you remember, the Ministry was against the Order of the Phoenix in Book 5. They were in complete denial (via magic or sheer stupidity) about Voldemort's return. The Order could not gain access to that room. Remember they were worried about being caught in that corridor. Even if we suppose that Dumbledore himself could have picked it up without going mad (since it was made TO him) he could not have gained access to that room, either, since Fudge was politicking against him.

Additionally, none in the Order knew the contents of the prophecy (save for Dumbledore and possibly Snape we know he knew some of it, it's debatable whether he knew all of it)) and therefore didn't know exactly what they were guarding.

[Godrics_Souljah]

Does anyone have a quote from the books where the prophecy is called a weapon by someone other than Harry & company?

I always took that when Sirius said, "a sort of weapon" that Sirius was trying not to reveal to Harry exactly what it was. I believe the phrase "gain an advantage he didn't have before" was also used. (He = Voldemort)

I don't think DD ever referred to it as a weapon.

[MarieNC]

Originally Posted by WandaEvans

Because the only people that could touch the prophecy (without going bonkers) were the ones that the prophecy was about.

So how was Sturgis Podmore supposed to get the prophecy? Wasn't that why he was put under the Imperius curse? Wasn't Bode also imperioused to get the orb? Didn't the DE order Harry to give them the prophecy? Why would the DE have done this if it wasn't possible for them to touch it? Even if the jinx prevents someone from physically touching it, there's nothing to prevent using a spell to carry/destroy it. Harry & co. use a spell to smash hundreds of prophecies in the MOM - they didn't go crazy. If a fifth-year student could do this, certainly the Order could. There's no reason why that orb couldn't have been destroyed.

And if you remember, the Ministry was against the Order of the Phoenix in Book 5. They were in complete denial (via magic or sheer stupidity) about Voldemort's return. The Order could not gain access to that room. Remember they were worried about being caught in that corridor. Even if we suppose that Dumbledore himself could have picked it up without going mad (since it was made TO him) he could not have gained access to that room, either, since Fudge was politicking against him.

Dumbledore had no trouble appearing in the MOM when he needed to, during the final battle. Why couldn't he have gone there himself on an earlier night to take/smash the prophecy? It's not like there was anyone from the MOM there at night. Security seems pretty lax. Again, 15-year old kids had no trouble getting into the room - it seems like it shouldn't have been a huge problem for the Order. They actually have Ministry members in their group - it wouldn't be to difficult to plan for one of them to enter the room & smash the prophecy. Instead, DD posts members outside the door to "guard" the prophecy & get caught & injured in the process. It's an odd strategy.

Additionally, none in the Order knew the contents of the prophecy (save for Dumbledore and possibly Snape we know he knew some of it, it's debatable whether he knew all of it)) and therefore didn't know exactly what they were guarding.

This I believe. I believe that the other Order members thought this prophecy was some sort of powerful weapon, or that it had incredibly valuable information. This is why they were willing to risk their lives & reputations guarding it. Two order members got imperiused, one got sent to Azkaban, and one was bitten by a snake - all in the service of guarding an ultimately useless prophecy. But DD knew the truth - why did he risk his supporters' lives, and Harry's life, for no apparant reason? He had months to come up w/a strategy, and this is the best he can come up with? Have Arthur Weasley guard the orb from an attack of Death Eaters? Don't assign a guard at all on the one night VD decided to take the orb? Pretty poor strategy, if you ask me. If DD truly wanted to get rid of the prophecy, he would have arranged to smash it or steal it. He didn't, which makes me think that he had another goal altogether.

[UncleJemima]

Originally Posted by Godrics_Souljah

Does anyone have a quote from the books where the prophecy is called a weapon by someone other than Harry & company?
...
I don't think DD ever referred to it as a weapon.

And so, since his return to his body, and particularly since your extraordinary escape from him last year, he has been determined to hear that prophecy in its entirety. This is the weapon he has been seeking so assiduously since his return: the knowledge of how to destroy you."
-Dumbledore Order of the Phoenix pg. 839-840

Dumbledore says here that Voldemort was looking for a weapon, and he thought the prophecy was that weapon, but I don't think Dumbledore necessarily thought it was a weapon. This goes along with the ulterior motive theory.

On the other hand, Dumbledore might not have let Harry hear the entire prophecy, or maybe some of the knowledge Dumbledore and Voldemort have that we don't allows them to interpret the prophecy further. Maybe the prophecy really does contain information on how to kill Harry or how to stop Harry from killing Voldemort.

[Tbone]

Originally Posted by MarieNC

I hope someone can answer this question. If the prophecy was so dangerous, and Voldemort wanted it so badly, why didn't the Order just DESTROY IT? Why are they sitting there guarding a prophecy instead of just getting rid of it? Dumbledore already had a copy in his office, he already knew the full prophecy - what's the point of keeping the prophecy orb in the ministry?

Wouldn't it have been easier for an Order member to enter, take the prophecy, & destroy it? That way, even if Voldemort succeeded in entering the MOM, he wouldn't get the information. Plus, if it becomes known that the prophecy was destroyed, Voldemort wouldn't try to trick Harry into going into the MOM to recover it. Harry & friends wouldn't be placed in danger from going to the MOM. Order members wouldn't be placed in danger by guarding it - as Arthur Weasley was. What am I missing here? Get rid of it!

Also, when DD comments that only two people know the full contents of the prophecy, & both are in this "spidery" room, I'm almost convinced he wasn't referring to Harry. There's been some speculation that Snape is a spider animagus, and a spider is riding on DD's hat. Wouldn't it be funny if that spider was Snape? It would be another clever example of DD misleading w/his comments while not, technically, lying. If this is true, it would mean that Snape did hear the "full content" of the prophecy, along with DD. But DD only revealed part of the prophecy to Harry. This would also, possibly, help explain DD's decision to protect the original prophecy. Maybe the information in the full prophecy does make it a weapon, a valuable weapon, in the fight against Voldemort. Maybe it states how VD will finally be defeated.

Remember that an Order member could not possibly have "taken" the prophecy - the only ones who are allowed to do that are those about who it was made. Perhaps they could have used the Reductor curse as Harry and friends did, but that might have destroyed many other prophecies, as well as drawing a lot of unwanted attention to the Order member. Strugis Podmore got six months in Azkaban just for trying to get into the Department of Mysteries - imagine what someone convicted of destroying a prophecy would get.

Additionally, I'm sure Dumbledore realized that there was a chance, however small, that he might die or lose his memory or something like that - so he probably didn't want to rely solely on his Pensieve.

Besides, if the prophecy had been destroyed and Voldemort found out about it, he might have gone put into the open sooner than the Order wanted, and that might have had really bad consequences.

[MarieNC]

Originally Posted by Tbone

Remember that an Order member could not possibly have "taken" the prophecy - the only ones who are allowed to do that are those about who it was made. Perhaps they could have used the Reductor curse as Harry and friends did, but that might have destroyed many other prophecies, as well as drawing a lot of unwanted attention to the Order member. Strugis Podmore got six months in Azkaban just for trying to get into the Department of Mysteries - imagine what someone convicted of destroying a prophecy would get.

This is war, right? DD defys the Ministry often, and supposedly, this prophecy is incredibly important to the cause. It would be worth the risk to get rid of it - a skilled wizard could use a spell to break it w/o harming the other orbs. Order members are already placed at risk guarding the stupid thing all those months - why not actually use that time & risk to accomplish something? Harry could smash it, some other Order member could have smashed it as well. No, I think DD wanted that orb to stay safe at the Ministry until VD tried to steal it.

Additionally, I'm sure Dumbledore realized that there was a chance, however small, that he might die or lose his memory or something like that - so he probably didn't want to rely solely on his Pensieve.

Well, this is a pretty weak reason. Penseive memories can be stored in vials; DD could place it somewhere safe. Or, even better, just write the prophecy down! Charm it, give it to a trusted person (Harry) or put it in Gringotts. There's many, many ways DD could preserve the words w/o leaving the Ministry orb.

Besides, if the prophecy had been destroyed and Voldemort found out about it, he might have gone put into the open sooner than the Order wanted, and that might have had really bad consequences.

Ah, now this comes closer to the real agenda, IMO. DD knows that VD's greatest fear is death. VD thinks that the prophecy foretells how he will die. VD is also paranoid about Harry, and doesn't understand why this child keeps beating him. A prophecy about Harry's role in VD's death would be irresitable to VD - that's what makes it such a great "weapon" in the fight. VD would need to hear the whole prophecy in order to know how to avoid his own death, and ensure Harry's. DD knows this - so he uses the prophecy to lure VD out of hiding. He posts Order members outside the door constantly, almost like a big neon sign to VD - "Vital, valuable prophecy inside!!" VD gets distracted trying to get the prophecy instead of killing Muggles, and VD's appearance at the MOM will finally persuade the Ministry that VD has returned. It's prophecy as bait, luring VD into a trap.

In fact, that prophecy is such a good weapon, that I wonder if DD didn't create it himself. The prophecy is valuable, not because of the information it contains, but because of how it affects VD. He's obsessed with it. It perfectly exploits VD's greatest weakness - his total fear of death. In the first war, Order members were being killed left & right, the Death Eaters were winning, when DD hears a prophecy foretelling VD's death & defeat. Snape, VD's spy, hears it too - and is caught. DD knows Legimancy, and knows how to do Memory Charms. When Snape is caught, he must've tried to read his mind - wouldn't he know Snape was a spy? Even if he didn't, why wouldn't he use a memory charm to erase Snape's memory of the prophecy? Instead, he let Snape (and the prophecy) loose. Why?

VD is distracted, and ultimately defeated, because he followed the prophecy - in both the first war, and the MOM ambush. Who's to say that DD didn't actually create the thing? Everyone involved in that prophecy has a close connection to DD. Was he creating the bait, even then? DD was so involved in the telling of that prophecy that it's a bit suspicious.

[wallflowerrr]

^ I love that whole post. However, something doesn't make sense. Why would Dumbledore make a prophecy, or let it loose, when that would mean sentencing three people to death - whether it be the Potters and their son, or the Longbottoms and their son. Dumbledore would have no idea the AK curse would backfire- as it had never happened before, nor that Voldemort would give Lily the conscious choice to stand aside. So why would Dumbledore sentence them to death? Even if the prophecy stated that the baby would have the power to vanquish the dark lord, the only reason that Harry is still alive is because his mother died for him, and Dumbledore would not have been able to foresee that.

Also - the Order members could have taken down the prophecy - they just would've been condemned to madness. But I think this is why Sturgis Podmore was put under the Imperius Curse and used in the attempt to get it - why would Voldemort care if someone from the 'other side' became completely insane, as long as he got the prophecy?

[Tbone]

Originally Posted by wallflowerrr

Also - the Order members could have taken down the prophecy - they just would've been condemned to madness. But I think this is why Sturgis Podmore was put under the Imperius Curse and used in the attempt to get it - why would Voldemort care if someone from the 'other side' became completely insane, as long as he got the prophecy?

If that were true, Bode (who went mad when Lucius Malfoy attempted to have him retrieve the prophecy) would have been able to get the prophecy for Lucius Malfoy, who tried to force him to steal it. Lucius's exact words to Harry in OotP were: "...the only people who are permitted to retrieve a prophecy from the Department of Mysteries, Potter, are those about whom it was made, as the Dark Lord discovered when he attempted to have others steal it for him."

So Voldemort did not know about that until Bode went mad - as further evidenced by Harry's dream about Rookwood telling him that. Harry or Voldemort needed to retrieve it, then anyone could touch it freely. But I do wonder: why didn't Lucius Malfoy try to get the prophecy himself? He didn't know about prophecies making you insane when he tried to force Bode to steal it for him, and he was trusted by the Minister. I guess he was just a coward?

And I think if Dumbledore had faked the prophecy, there definitely wouldn't have been a glass ball containing the prophecy in the DoM that only Harry or Voldemort could touch. Just saying.

[Crookshanks_RAB]

Maybe that's exactly it: the prophecy was faked, DD knowing snape would over hear, rush to voldemort, tell him the prophecy so that he would go after harry. dumbledore planned to prepare harry for this, but snape realized that it was a fake and killed DD. DD was actually pleading for his life in the Lightning Struck Tower. now DD isn't around to help harry anymore... or theres just more to the prophecy.

[LMD101]

The plot of the entire series has revolved around a prophecy which has been known for only two books.

Every action of Dumbledore and Voldemort, and by extension many of Harry's reactions has determined and been determined by the words and working of the prophecy. Fake? I highly doubt it. Even if it was somehow 'made up', its consequences are very real. Whether true or false, there's only one confrontation now which will give us the prophecy's outcome.

[Tbone]

Originally Posted by Crookshanks_RAB

Maybe that's exactly it: the prophecy was faked, DD knowing snape would over hear, rush to voldemort, tell him the prophecy so that he would go after harry. dumbledore planned to prepare harry for this, but snape realized that it was a fake and killed DD. DD was actually pleading for his life in the Lightning Struck Tower. now DD isn't around to help harry anymore... or theres just more to the prophecy.

Aside from my earlier post which I mention how it's most unlikely that a glass ball that only Harry/Voldemort can touch concerning a prophecy could exist if the prophecy is fake, how on earth would Snape find out that the prophecy is fake?

Additionally, I really don't think Dumbledore would put the lives of the Potter family or the Longbottom family at risk, or put such burdens on any one person (Harry), if he knew he really wasn't the person that had the only chance of finishing off Voldemort.

[Indy_Racer]

I think there has been a chess game going on between Dumbledore and Voldemort for quite some time. Like it or not, Dumbledore uses Order members as pawns just like Voldermort uses DE's as pawns. I agree that the whole point of having the Order guard a prophecy that Dumbledore alreadys knows was a distraction or a feint.

Dumbledore seems to try to distract Voldemort's attention more than once in the series. Dumbledore used the stone in the first book in the same manner. Regardless of what the prophecy says or means, Dumbledore knows his enemy too well to not use an opportunity to delay him or possibly trap him.

The prophecy is in a way a weapon in that it has been used multiple times by Dumbledore to force Voldermort into doing something reckless. Unfortunately, the losses for the 'good guys' have been fairly high because of this game that has been played.

[Shewoman]

Crookshanks, how would Snape have found out the Prophecy was a fake? It's been shattered, so he can't hear it unless he uses the Pensieve. How would that let him know it was fake? And why would that make him want to kill Dumbledore? They've been tight for years.

We saw Sibyll give the Prophecy in the Pensieve. If it's a fake, how did that happen?

I don't see how the Prophecy could have been faked--not because of that, but because JKR has said NO ONE KNEW what would happen when Lily stood between her son and Voldemort. That includes Dumbledore. I don't think Dumbledore would have asked or allowed two people to risk death for themselves and orphanhood for their son on the off chance that maybe if Lily tried to save Harry from a sociopathic maniac who happened conveniently to offer her her life, there was a remote chance that said sociopath would be so seriously injured that he wouldn't be much of a problem for several years. That's just not rational and I don't see Dumbledore going for it.

[MarieNC]

Warning: Long speculation!

Originally Posted by Indy_Racer

I think there has been a chess game going on between Dumbledore and Voldemort for quite some time. Like it or not, Dumbledore uses Order members as pawns just like Voldermort uses DE's as pawns. I agree that the whole point of having the Order guard a prophecy that Dumbledore alreadys knows was a distraction or a feint.

I totally agree with this characterization. This is always how I've seen Dumbledore, playing his grand game of Wizard's Chess. He's using elaborate strategies, feints, and - sacrifices, all in order to win the game. As Ron said, "that's chess", sometimes you need to sacrifice a piece to win. DD does see his supporters as pawns in this game, and appears quite willing to use or sacrifice them as he sees fit. His plan is more important than the risk it posed to the Order members, or Harry himself. This is why DD sort of fell apart at the end of OOTP - he realized that he actually loves Harry, cares about him, and doesn't want to see him hurt for some larger goal. But that doesn't mean he won't do it.

This is DD's MO, his way of operating. We've seen the same kinds of strategies from him from the first book on - DD uses bait and traps. He used the "Philosopher's Stone" to lure VD to the Mirror, he shamelessly used Harry to lure Slughorn into teaching at Hogwarts & revealing the Horcrux memory, and (IMO), he used the prophecy orb to lure VD into the MOM.

Given this pattern, I can totally see DD creating the prophecy as bait to lure VD into yet another trap. He didn't have many options at the time - almost all Order members were killed, VD had a huge army, the Wizarding World tottered on the edge of defeat. The only weapon DD had left was his personal knowledge of "Tom Riddle," of what made him tick, and what his biggest weaknesses were. He knew VD feared death above all else, and would go to any lengths to escape it (Horcruxes, etc.) So DD created a prophecy foretelling VD's own death & defeat at the hands of an unknown savior. The description of this child's parents only matches two couples, both members of the Order (that's a big coincidence, isn't it?) He set up the prophecy telling w/his brother, Trewlaney, and a DE spy. He then let the DE spy report the first half of the prophecy to VD - knowing VD would then drop everything else in order to stop this prophecy from coming true. Which he did. VD took the bait and focused on the prophecy instead of the wider war. The Wizarding World gets more time to regroup & gain strength.

Meanwhile, DD takes steps to hide & protect both Order couples (as he later offered to do for Draco.) He thinks this will be sufficient to keep them safe, but he also informs James & Lily about a Plan B in case VD finds them. No one KNEW, for certain, what would happen, but they create a back-up charm just in case. This charm/spell would protect Harry, even if his parents die, and possibly destroy VD as well. I think this is the spell/magic that Lily used that night. And it works - VD is defeated, the Wizarding World rejoices.

Part of the reason I think the prophecy is fake is DD's drastic change in attitude between OOTP & HBP. In OOTP, DD sits Harry down & solemnly informs him that this prophecy is his destiny, his doom. It is foretold that he & VD will fight to the death, one killing the other. Harry accepts this weighty destiny. Then, one book later, DD says, oh, the prophecy doesn't have to come true, it's not destined - it's only important because VD believes it. Huh? This totally contradicts what DD said in the last book. I think DD acts this way because he knows that the prophecy isn't real, but that it's important only in how it affects VD. Also a fake prophecy would make sense, psychologically. It's just the sort of bait/trick DD would try, and just the thing VD would fall for.

[Shewoman]

I still don't see Dumbledore basing everything on Lily dying to save Harry when he didn't know whether that would affect Voldemort in any way or not.

And in HBP, Harry and Dumbleore have a conversation very similar to the one in OotP. It's at the end of "Horcruxes." Dumbledore again points out that Voldemort's trust in the Prophecy led him to take action that created the current situation, adding that "He will continue to hunt you . . . which makes it certain, really, that--"

"That one of us is going to end up killing the other," said Harry. "Yes." I don't see this as a contradiction of OotP; in both books he says Voldemort's acting on his belief in the Prophecy has led him to do things (like kill Harry's parents) that created the relationship between him and Harry that guarantees that neither of them now will walk away and let the other do whatever he wants--not because it's destiny, but because of their characters.

[MarieNC]

Originally Posted by Shewoman

I still don't see Dumbledore basing everything on Lily dying to save Harry when he didn't know whether that would affect Voldemort in any way or not.

And in HBP, Harry and Dumbleore have a conversation very similar to the one in OotP. It's at the end of "Horcruxes." Dumbledore again points out that Voldemort's trust in the Prophecy led him to take action that created the current situation, adding that "He will continue to hunt you . . . which makes it certain, really, that--"

"That one of us is going to end up killing the other," said Harry. "Yes." I don't see this as a contradiction of OotP; in both books he says Voldemort's acting on his belief in the Prophecy has led him to do things (like kill Harry's parents) that created the relationship between him and Harry that guarantees that neither of them now will walk away and let the other do whatever he wants--not because it's destiny, but because of their characters.

Well, it's true that the actual words DD uses are not a blatant lie, but IMO he misleads Harry & creates a false impression at the end of OOTP. There, he presents the prophecy as real, inevitable, destined:

ʹIt meant,ʹ said Dumbledore, `that the person who has the only chance of conquering Lord Voldemort for good was born at the end of July, nearly sixteen years ago. ..."

"The end of the prophecy… it was something about… neither can live…ʹ

`… while the other survives,ʹ said Dumbledore.

`So,ʹ said Harry, dredging up the words from what felt like a deep well of despair inside him, `so does that mean that… that one of us has got to kill the other one… in the end?ʹ

`Yes,ʹ said Dumbledore.

That's the last thing DD says about the prophecy. He's basically led Harry to believe that the prophecy requires Harry to battle Voldemort, that a showdown is inevitable, and that Harry's destiny is to either kill Voldemort or be killed. DD says he is the Wizarding World's only chance to defeat Voldemort. Harry accepts this inevitable battle.

Then, suddenly, in HBP, DD acts like the prophecy doesn't actually predict the future at all. He tells Harry "you are setting too much store by the prophecy!" Harry says that he's got to kill Voldemort, and DD responds: Got to?" said Dumbledore, "Of course you've got to! But not because of the prophecy! Because you, yourself, will never rest until you've tried!"

This doesn't make any sense to me. In OOTP, DD acts like he completely believes in the prophecy, and that Harry is the only one who can defeat VD. He tells Harry that he & VD will have to battle to the death, because the prophecy says so. In HBP, he spins this completely differently, and suddenly it's all about choices, not destiny. Suddenly the prophecy only has value because VD is attacking Harry because of it. And it doesn't make any sense - if the prophecy itself has no value, why is it that 16-year old Harry alone has to defeat VD? Surely there are other wizards who could do the job? Maybe a host of Aurors? DD is incredibly sketchy about this prophecy, and the contradicting explanations he gives Harry don't really make sense to me. I'm only 50% sure he wrote it, but I'm 100 & sure he leaked it to VD, and IMO his contradictory reactions since then are an attempt to spin & rationalize that decision.

[Shewoman]

MarieNC, in Vold War I a host of Aurors weren't able to take Voldemort down.

Dumbledore's view of the Prophecy is complicated. If Voldemort hadn't believed in it and acted on it, then it would have been meaningless. But at Godric's Hollow Voldemort did act on it--attacked the Potters, killed James and Lily, and gave their son some of his own gifts as well as a window into Voldemort's mind. The murders of his parents give Harry a powerful motive to want to vanquish Voldemort--as does the fact that Quirrellmort nearly killed him in Book 1 and Voldemort killed one of Harry's fellow students and nearly killed him in Goblet. Just before the conversation in Order, one of the DEs killed Harry's godfather. These things happened because Voldemort believed in the Prophecy and they each increase Harry's need to get rid of Voldemort. Furthermore, it is obvious that Voldemort will never stop coming after Harry until one of them is dead--not because the Prophecy is "making" him but because he is so invested in destroying the one who somehow vanquished him at Godric's Hollow. Therefore Dumbledore is right: either Harry or Voldemort will kill the other because Voldemort will never stop trying to kill Harry as long as they are both alive.

So: it is not the Prophecy but Voldemort's belief in it that makes some sort of showdown inevitable. If Voldemort had ignored the Prophecy, none of these things would have happened and therefore the confrontation it predicts would not take place. The Prophecy's power, as it turns out, was not in predicting the future; it was in Voldemort's decision to take it seriously, to let it dictate his actions. And, by trying to kill 15-month-old Harry to remove the threat to him, he actually created a strong enemy with great reason to destroy him.

I think the reason for what seems to be an inconsistency between what Dumbledore tells Harry at the end of "The Lost Prophecy," OoTP, and what he says in "Horcruxes," HBP, is that in OotP Harry is exhausted--he's just been in a battle, he's seen Sirius killed, and he's been possessed by Voldemort. Dumbledore knows that a showdown between the two is inevitable and is FINALLY letting Harry know that. In HBP, Harry is still grieving for Sirius but the loss isn't as immediate as it was in OotP and he himself comes to the conclusion I discussed above, the conclusion that Dumbledore long ago reached: the showdown is inevitable because neither Harry nor Voldemort can just walk away now due to their own characters--not because a Prophecy is forcing them.

[IchLiebeGeorge]

This thought just came to me while reading the 'Will Voldemort be Defeated?' poll thread: What if "And neither can live while the other survives" means Tom Riddle and Lord Voldemort can't exist together? LV's goal is immortality, but that can't happen while he has human in him; Tom Riddle can't be because of all of that nasty LV in him. Harry will take care of the 'Dark Lord', but then there's Tom Riddle left.

Shoot it down quickly so I can get back to my other HP ideas!

[Hinoema]

Ok. I don't think the prophecy differentiates between Tom Riddle as Tom Riddle and as Lord Voldemort.

Good enough?

[Shewoman]

Me either.